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  1. #1
    Is there something wrong with me that I can't seem to come up with the hatred displayed by most posters here? Why do I feel no animosity towards others here, even those that I may not like or that I disagree with?

    Even those that I like--Alan, Redietz, Singer, Crimm--to name a few, seem to be able to muster up a lot of hatred or vitriol (see mom--college really paid off). What is wrong with me?

  2. #2
    You're not eating enough cheese.
    What, Me Worry?

  3. #3
    Originally Posted by regnis View Post
    Why do I feel no animosity towards others here, even those that I may not like or that I disagree with?
    When Alan talks about DI, and claims to have known of players or seen players that could influence the dice, he gets absolutely skewered by all the usual suspects.

    His stories are met with ridicule, he's mercilessly attacked from every angle.

    On the otherhand, you have stated many times that you once possessed DI skill, played craps for many years with great success, and not one of them ever challenged you.

    Your stories are met with polite silence.

    These guys howl with certainty that DI is quackery and not possible, but they never howl at you, yet you're the only one here that's ever claimed he could do it, and has done it.

    Don't you find it strange, that you're given a pass and treated with respect, making the same points that causes Alan to get attacked?

    If you got treated the same way Alan's been treated, just over the DI stuff alone, then perhaps you'd feel some animosity.

    What do you think?

  4. #4
    It's called the "Trump Syndrome ”. As long as you agree with the post-fine. The moment you discuss an alternative, a personal affront is taken and you are attacked (bullied). Your claim as a reporter or analyst. 18 yo's, structured progressions.math knowledge, etc., are manipulated as a diversion to " prove " you're the enemy. It's the ONLY forum out of five I belong that does this. It brings out the WORST in people.

  5. #5
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    On the other hand, you have stated many times that you once possessed DI skill, played craps for many years with great success, and not one of them ever challenged you.
    I didn't challenge him to anything, but I called it something along the lines of more nonsense. If I recall, so did Mr. Cheese. (LarryS made for the crackers).
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  6. #6
    If you feel hatred here, you should leave. Why hang around for that?
    78255585899=317*13723*17989=(310+7)*[(13730-7)*(100*100+7979+10)]-->LOVE avatar@137_371_179_791, or 137_371_17[3^2]_7[3^2]1, 1=V-->Ace, low. 78255585899-->99858555287=(99858555288-1)=[-1+(72*2227)*(722777-100000)]={-1+(72*2227)*[(2000+700777+20000)-100000]}-->1_722_227_277_772_1. 7×8×2×5×5×5×8×5×8×9×9=362880000=(1000000000-6√97020000-100000)-->169_721. (7/8×2/5×5/5×8/5×8/9×9)={[(-.1+.9)]^2×(6+1)}-->1961=√4*2.24; (1/7×8/2×5/5×5/8×5/8×9/9)={1/[7×(-.2+1)^2]}-->1721=[(10*10/4)/(√4+110)].

  7. #7
    Why do think I picked the name Bill Yung? That was after my first attempt (and last attempt) at trying to reason with Singer. It may as well have been after that with LarryS. B-u-l-l-y-i-n-g.

    Smart people give a guy a chance, and, then, forget about him. If you want to go after someone, go after the Wizard, along with Mission, Babs, and co. who have, I'm sure, wrecked a lot of lives.
    78255585899=317*13723*17989=(310+7)*[(13730-7)*(100*100+7979+10)]-->LOVE avatar@137_371_179_791, or 137_371_17[3^2]_7[3^2]1, 1=V-->Ace, low. 78255585899-->99858555287=(99858555288-1)=[-1+(72*2227)*(722777-100000)]={-1+(72*2227)*[(2000+700777+20000)-100000]}-->1_722_227_277_772_1. 7×8×2×5×5×5×8×5×8×9×9=362880000=(1000000000-6√97020000-100000)-->169_721. (7/8×2/5×5/5×8/5×8/9×9)={[(-.1+.9)]^2×(6+1)}-->1961=√4*2.24; (1/7×8/2×5/5×5/8×5/8×9/9)={1/[7×(-.2+1)^2]}-->1721=[(10*10/4)/(√4+110)].

  8. #8
    It's simple regnis. You only need to look as far as the totally insane claims made by the WoV and anti-wizard fanatic reject kew for clarity. Kew came here expecting everybody and anybody to accept his easily debunked claims, his weird and confused alternate lifestyle, and his completely bankrupt so-called "mommy dearest and baby bro" home life in mommy's home (THE #1 reason he stays anonymous) but because we are unlike the soft-headed phonies over on WoV and we're smart enuf to know much better, he spews lies, more lies, and hate. Just like the whining democrats, you can say anything you like and it MUST be believed if you're an AP, but you will be attacked and insulted/lied about should you even question their outrageous and silly claims.

    However....in respect for total disclosure.......I recently had a DNA test to define my ancestry. It stated that I was 1/1024th AP! So, from now on I'm gonna identify myself as one of the AP crowd, although I'm not anonymous, which sort of goes against the grain.

    I expect a lot of praise and welcome from the load of imported ap's here, even though I have more formal math education and related high level work experience that every single one of them.

    Maybe I should take up a collection from them, so I could be a loser like Mike!

  9. #9
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    It's simple regnis. You only need to look as far as the totally insane claims made by the WoV and anti-wizard fanatic reject kew for clarity. Kew came here expecting everybody and anybody to accept his easily debunked claims, his weird and confused alternate lifestyle, and his completely bankrupt so-called "mommy dearest and baby bro" home life in mommy's home (THE #1 reason he stays anonymous) but because we are unlike the soft-headed phonies over on WoV and we're smart enuf to know much better, he spews lies, more lies, and hate. Just like the whining democrats, you can say anything you like and it MUST be believed if you're an AP, but you will be attacked and insulted/lied about should you even question their outrageous and silly claims.

    However....in respect for total disclosure.......I recently had a DNA test to define my ancestry. It stated that I was 1/1024th AP! So, from now on I'm gonna identify myself as one of the AP crowd, although I'm not anonymous, which sort of goes against the grain.

    I expect a lot of praise and welcome from the load of imported ap's here, even though I have more formal math education and related high level work experience that every single one of them.

    Maybe I should take up a collection from them, so I could be a loser like Mike!
    There goes that guy again babbling on the internet from underneath the overpass next to McDonald's free WiFi spot. You really need to get the leak in your roof fixed or beg up some gas money to get where it doesn't rain much.

  10. #10
    Originally Posted by Bill Yung View Post
    If you want to go after someone, go after the Wizard, along with Mission, Babs, and co. who have, I'm sure, wrecked a lot of lives.
    "Wrecked a lot of lives?"

    Really?
    What, Me Worry?

  11. #11
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    It's simple regnis. You only need to look as far as the totally insane claims made by the WoV and anti-wizard fanatic reject kew for clarity. Kew came here expecting everybody and anybody to accept his easily debunked claims, his weird and confused alternate lifestyle, and his completely bankrupt so-called "mommy dearest and baby bro" home life in mommy's home (THE #1 reason he stays anonymous) but because we are unlike the soft-headed phonies over on WoV and we're smart enuf to know much better, he spews lies, more lies, and hate. Just like the whining democrats, you can say anything you like and it MUST be believed if you're an AP, but you will be attacked and insulted/lied about should you even question their outrageous and silly claims.

    However....in respect for total disclosure.......I recently had a DNA test to define my ancestry. It stated that I was 1/1024th AP! So, from now on I'm gonna identify myself as one of the AP crowd, although I'm not anonymous, which sort of goes against the grain.

    I expect a lot of praise and welcome from the load of imported ap's here, even though I have more formal math education and related high level work experience that every single one of them.

    Maybe I should take up a collection from them, so I could be a loser like Mike!
    I expect an unbiased DNA testing held by a registered tech of my own choosing to validate your claim!!

  12. #12
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    It's simple regnis. You only need to look as far as the totally insane claims made by the WoV and anti-wizard fanatic reject kew for clarity. Kew came here expecting everybody and anybody to accept his easily debunked claims, his weird and confused alternate lifestyle, and his completely bankrupt so-called "mommy dearest and baby bro" home life in mommy's home (THE #1 reason he stays anonymous) but because we are unlike the soft-headed phonies over on WoV and we're smart enuf to know much better, he spews lies, more lies, and hate. Just like the whining democrats, you can say anything you like and it MUST be believed if you're an AP, but you will be attacked and insulted/lied about should you even question their outrageous and silly claims.

    However....in respect for total disclosure.......I recently had a DNA test to define my ancestry. It stated that I was 1/1024th AP! So, from now on I'm gonna identify myself as one of the AP crowd, although I'm not anonymous, which sort of goes against the grain.

    I expect a lot of praise and welcome from the load of imported ap's here, even though I have more formal math education and related high level work experience that every single one of them.

    Maybe I should take up a collection from them, so I could be a loser like Mike!
    There goes that guy again babbling on the internet from underneath the overpass next to McDonald's free WiFi spot. You really need to get the leak in your roof fixed or beg up some gas money to get where it doesn't rain much.
    Haha! I never go to your fast food places. They're for nervous "AP's" who can't help being out of shape and unhealthy. These degenerates look at dumps like Ellis Island and Sam's Town as bastions of luxury.

  13. #13
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    Originally Posted by Bill Yung View Post
    If you want to go after someone, go after the Wizard, along with Mission, Babs, and co. who have, I'm sure, wrecked a lot of lives.
    "Wrecked a lot of lives?"

    Really?
    Go ask a professional psychiatrist about the Wizard's site. There are a few online sites that deal with clinical psychology that offer help for also the category of gambling, if you don't already know one, or of one's reporting in this regard. I did, very early on. The results were anything but flattering to the Wizard, himself.

    I posted it up there, then. You'd think that if the Wizard even cared about the possibility of harm to his readers, he would have done more than had JB makeup crap about me in threads and posts that were started under my username (by JB), wait for other "cloned" complaints against me, and, then, ban me. Go ask JB about it. Ha, open your eyes.

    Go find out for yourself, and report back to us. Or not. One of the main narratives over there is good and evil, white and black. Same as the internal narratives of gamblers who finally seek help. Jacobson was big on writing about AP's being the good guys to fight the evil casinos. Great if you want to suck people into gambling, to buy a book off you. But life-shattering to the ones who really fall for it.
    78255585899=317*13723*17989=(310+7)*[(13730-7)*(100*100+7979+10)]-->LOVE avatar@137_371_179_791, or 137_371_17[3^2]_7[3^2]1, 1=V-->Ace, low. 78255585899-->99858555287=(99858555288-1)=[-1+(72*2227)*(722777-100000)]={-1+(72*2227)*[(2000+700777+20000)-100000]}-->1_722_227_277_772_1. 7×8×2×5×5×5×8×5×8×9×9=362880000=(1000000000-6√97020000-100000)-->169_721. (7/8×2/5×5/5×8/5×8/9×9)={[(-.1+.9)]^2×(6+1)}-->1961=√4*2.24; (1/7×8/2×5/5×5/8×5/8×9/9)={1/[7×(-.2+1)^2]}-->1721=[(10*10/4)/(√4+110)].

  14. #14
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    It's simple regnis. You only need to look as far as the totally insane claims made by the WoV and anti-wizard fanatic reject kew for clarity. Kew came here expecting everybody and anybody to accept his easily debunked claims, his weird and confused alternate lifestyle, and his completely bankrupt so-called "mommy dearest and baby bro" home life in mommy's home (THE #1 reason he stays anonymous) but because we are unlike the soft-headed phonies over on WoV and we're smart enuf to know much better, he spews lies, more lies, and hate. Just like the whining democrats, you can say anything you like and it MUST be believed if you're an AP, but you will be attacked and insulted/lied about should you even question their outrageous and silly claims.

    However....in respect for total disclosure.......I recently had a DNA test to define my ancestry. It stated that I was 1/1024th AP! So, from now on I'm gonna identify myself as one of the AP crowd, although I'm not anonymous, which sort of goes against the grain.

    I expect a lot of praise and welcome from the load of imported ap's here, even though I have more formal math education and related high level work experience that every single one of them.

    Maybe I should take up a collection from them, so I could be a loser like Mike!
    There goes that guy again babbling on the internet from underneath the overpass next to McDonald's free WiFi spot. You really need to get the leak in your roof fixed or beg up some gas money to get where it doesn't rain much.
    Haha! I never go to your fast food places. They're for nervous "AP's" who can't help being out of shape and unhealthy. These degenerates look at dumps like Ellis Island and Sam's Town as bastions of luxury.
    Wise words from Sing Sing. The one left the comfys of Pmill to go downtown. What were u thinking? Im kidding.

  15. #15
    The group that paid the wiz over two million didn't pay that for WoV, they paid it for WoO.

    WoV is a small appendix to the wiz's "body of work."

    WoO is a helpful resource for people of various interests and abilities who have an interest in and / or specific questions about gambling.

    The forum at WoV has a very limited audience.

    I still don't see any justification for you to claim he has "wrecked a lot of lives;" that's like blaming a gun shop for selling a pistol to someone who blows their head off with it.

    That dog won't hunt.
    What, Me Worry?

  16. #16
    Originally Posted by Bill Yung View Post
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    Originally Posted by Bill Yung View Post
    If you want to go after someone, go after the Wizard, along with Mission, Babs, and co. who have, I'm sure, wrecked a lot of lives.
    "Wrecked a lot of lives?"

    Really?
    Go ask a professional psychiatrist about the Wizard's site. There are a few online sites that deal with clinical psychology that offer help for also the category of gambling, if you don't already know one, or of one's reporting in this regard. I did, very early on. The results were anything but flattering to the Wizard, himself.

    I posted it up there, then. You'd think that if the Wizard even cared about the possibility of harm to his readers, he would have done more than had JB makeup crap about me in threads and posts that were started under my username (by JB), wait for other "cloned" complaints against me, and, then, ban me. Go ask JB about it. Ha, open your eyes.

    Go find out for yourself, and report back to us. Or not. One of the main narratives over there is good and evil, white and black. Same as the internal narratives of gamblers who finally seek help. Jacobson was big on writing about AP's being the good guys to fight the evil casinos. Great if you want to suck people into gambling, to buy a book off you. But life-shattering to the ones who really fall for it.
    You shouldn't read anything about strategic gambling. It's bad for your mental health. Ignorance is the answer to your dilemma.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  17. #17
    Oh, I'm not advising people to run out to form a class action lawsuit against him for his passing himself of as "the" degreed authority on casino gambling, and on court witness testimony in gambling cases, but still intentionally neglecting to give the most basic warnings against even the simplest forms and results of gambling addiction.

    The negligence laws have, in recent years, loosened up to reign in more of what people in places of authority may rightly say and offer to the public? If Mike wants to claim no duty-of-care to the public, say, with also the nefarious scams reported to be left going on behind the scenes there, that's fine.

    My point is that he was continually warned off all these things, but he still did absolutely nothing, and then some, to keep the lies going. It's his place (still?) to do whatever he wants with or to it. He won't, likely, keel over from any shame either, anytime soon, which is just another extreme argument to nowhere.

    Can you prove that he did absolutely no harm to anyone, and that he bears zero responsibility for the seemingly endless bankruptcies, etc, directly caused by casino gambling? Hardly. You won't even give it a second thought. That's fine too, for you.

    P.S. Not all guns fire backward.
    Last edited by Bill Yung; 10-16-2018 at 05:36 PM.
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  18. #18
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    You only need to look as far as the totally insane claims made by the WoV and anti-wizard fanatic reject kew for clarity. Kew came here expecting everybody and anybody to accept his easily debunked claims, his weird and confused alternate lifestyle, and his completely bankrupt so-called "mommy dearest and baby bro" home life in mommy's home (THE #1 reason he stays anonymous) but because we are unlike the soft-headed phonies over on WoV and we're smart enuf to know much better, he spews lies, more lies, and hate. Just like the whining democrats, you can say anything you like and it MUST be believed if you're an AP, but you will be attacked and insulted/lied about should you even question their outrageous and silly claims.
    !
    Rob: If KJ wants to "play ball" with guys, it makes no difference to me who is pitchin and who is catchin. As long as it doesn't involve me. I do think he has acquired a great deal of blackjack knowledge over the years. Whether he is burning down the house or not doesn't matter a whole lot to me. But I do wish he'd slow down on stating income rewards and going after casinos.

    Long term seems to operative word for blackjack advice dodgers. Trouble is our term will only last as long as the most sensitive pit boss/EITS. Some of those guys are so twitchy they'd dive under tables if someone put popcorn in the microwave. If we get bounced, it's practically a life sentence.

    BJTF once had so many bullshitters it makes a person begin to question the validation of Norm's products. Is that whacked too? I must give KJ credit as he has a handle on those guys.

    I don't get it. For instance, suppose Rob doesn't think Moses could find the table if it jumped in front of his car. How does that impede on what I must do most days?

    I see blackjack as a sport. I must compete at a high level. However, my opponent wins by forfeit. Sooo. you have to take what they give you...AND NOT BE GREEDY. What am I missing?
    Last edited by Moses; 10-16-2018 at 06:35 PM.

  19. #19
    There is a forum called Vegas Casino Talk. On this forum are some advantage players that like to talk shop. They are gratuitously and relentlessly attacked, slandered and smeared for it. Why? If you dont like it dont read it. If you dont believe what they write, fine. But dont smear and slander them. Its uncalled for. There's no reason for it. Those doing it are the haters.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  20. #20
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Originally Posted by regnis View Post
    Why do I feel no animosity towards others here, even those that I may not like or that I disagree with?
    When Alan talks about DI, and claims to have known of players or seen players that could influence the dice, he gets absolutely skewered by all the usual suspects.

    His stories are met with ridicule, he's mercilessly attacked from every angle.

    On the otherhand, you have stated many times that you once possessed DI skill, played craps for many years with great success, and not one of them ever challenged you.

    Your stories are met with polite silence.

    These guys howl with certainty that DI is quackery and not possible, but they never howl at you, yet you're the only one here that's ever claimed he could do it, and has done it.

    Don't you find it strange, that you're given a pass and treated with respect, making the same points that causes Alan to get attacked?

    If you got treated the same way Alan's been treated, just over the DI stuff alone, then perhaps you'd feel some animosity.

    What do you think?
    Coach-you may be on to something. Although V did give me a little heat on DI and probably a few others. But let's say he gave me a lot of heat. Ok--must I now hate him and direct venomous attacks at him. Or just disagree and move on. That is kind of the point I was making. Why should I get to the point that I, who have chosen to remain anonymous here, and V, or anyone else, should actually have such ill will when we will never meet or, in the unlikely event that we do meet, even know that we are meeting. And despite the heat I kind of dig V on this forum.

    Also, I did drop the subject whereas Alan may continue to force the issue at times.

    Speaking of which, I hope he is OK and just not participating here.

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