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  1. #81
    [QUOTE=blackhole;76168]
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    I just cannot seem to impress upon you that variance is a part of this game. I have used the stock market analogy, and the rollercoaster analogy. Let me try the baseball analogy.
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    I love when you compare counting cards to different analogy’s trying to explain variance. Especially when you use the stock market where I consider myself to be well informed with.
    Even the stock market can be a wild ride. But it doesn't have to be. In short, the harder one works, the more knowledge is attained, and the more is made with less risk. Black Monday was my first $20k losing day. A real eye opener to a 29 year old supporting a family.



    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    You just keep trying to sound smart which might explain why you post so much on gambling forums. The only people you might be fooling or might be listening to you are your fellow AP cheerleaders. Newbies might be reading your nonsense with wide eyes. The rest of the educated world is laugh..
    I punished myself for a long time because I didn't have the variance that most speak of on these blackjack forums. There is always the amazing comeback. I guess everyone is Tom Brady or John Elway. Obviously, one would need some kind of support group to endure such volatility.
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    You have to feel sorry for the young that don't know any better and are looking for information for beating casinos. They come to these forums looking for easy fast cash and read this nonsense sending them into a pathetic future, instead of being properly advised to stay away. Banking on the math against casino games for a future is about the dumbest thing I heard. ..
    I cringe whenever I see young people playing big money at the tables. I know the look of bewilder is forthcoming. The math is for a game of cards played by people. The reality is it's a game of people played with cards.
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    You’re a card counting fool trying to beat the casinos at their own game. Obviously, you being able to allegedly maintain your game for 15 years all alone, confirms you’re meaningless to the casinos, and more than likely living day to day on the balls of your ass. Then you come here and pretend how you could lose all this money in a week and just laugh it off as expected...
    I lost 2 mil in a year. Not in casino gambling. I've learned some people lose their minds who have lost far less. I look at it as being 29-1. I suppose this helped me handle fluctuation. Perhaps better than most. My simple rule has always been "take care of your money and it takes care of you." Therefore, I cannot see losing as winning.
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    Some day I truly believe you’ll look back at all this and say to yourself, “self, was I this much of a fucking idiot and not realizing it?”
    Haven't we all?

  2. #82
    No Blackhole, I am not in the stock market. I apologize if I gave the impression that I was. I was just using that as an analogy based on the market going up and down.

    Being that you are an expert let me ask you this? Are there ever any days that the value your portfolio goes down? So when the market goes down for a few days or a week, what would you think of someone who says "you should have gotten out last Tuesday before the market dipped". Crazy right? The stock market is a longterm game and along the way there will be ups and downs and in the end if you have invested right (and I have no idea what that entails), you will make money. THAT was the analogy.

    I don't speak as though I have "made it" already and am ready to retire with security. Where did I ever say anything like that? I am in my mid 30's!!

    You seem to be blinded by your dislike of me, so you read everything I say in a manner that is not there.

  3. #83
    What happened to KJ is the exact same thing that happened to the casinos where Alan hit his $100k royals....variance. And just like what happened to Alan afterward, the same thing will happen to the casinos. They'll lose it all back!

  4. #84
    The AP response is exactly the response one would expect from AP's. Moses can lose 20K in one day and 2 million in one year in stride. That might explain why most of his posts appear to be written by an unfortunate, in-coherent disabled person. Don't worry Moses, we know, we know, and truly believe you're living the dream.

    Now Redditz, what the fuck in gods name are you talking about?

  5. #85
    Redietz is the universe we get after we figure out this one. The Realm of Redietz.
    True addicts are incredibly credible. Gambling is just another word for keep losing. Nothing "sweeter" than watching people try to make something out of an internet gambling site. A bozo's set of bozos whether system or advantage players. Both types to whichever degree could make billions in the markets if any of that stuff actually worked. It's great to be a spectator of gambling, and not to have one leg and arm stuck in the "grave" like the cunts, cowards and crackpots here. Forever 57.

  6. #86
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    The AP response is exactly the response one would expect from AP's. Moses can lose 20K in one day and 2 million in one year in stride. That might explain why most of his posts appear to be written by an unfortunate, in-coherent disabled person. Don't worry Moses, we know, we know, and truly believe you're living the dream.
    The $20k in a day was in 1987 and in the stock market. How could a long term stock market investor not remember that day? The 2 million had nothing to do with gambling, unless you consider marriage and real estate investments gambling. In my mind, it's the biggest form of gambling. Now, don't tell me you haven't suffered volatility in the stock market. Perhaps you had it socked away in a 401k and never looked? To say I took it in stride would be the biggest understatement ever. If the "dream" means nightmares waking me up every night at 3am for the last 8 years, then yes, I suppose one could say I'm living the dream.

  7. #87
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    The stock market is a longterm game and along the way there will be ups and downs and in the end if you have invested right (and I have no idea what that entails), you will make money. THAT was the analogy.
    The stock market is a long-term game for the people that are making it a long-term game. Some come out ahead, while others lose. There's no math that guarantees wall street results.

    Of course, we read about the occasional scandal on Wall Street, but the truth of what really goes on would never be exposed. Do you really think the SEC could keep under control the richest people in the world, banks around the world, different governments around the world, along with just plain stupid crooks? Do you even realize every month there’s another trading scandal being exposed? If I had to grade the SEC I would say for every 1 SEC criminal charge, 1,000 others got away with it. Hell, even home-maker Martha Stewart did time for insider trading.

    The street investor who occasionally hits the life changing investment is no different than the horse who was claimed for 15K then wins the Kentucky derby. Stock tips are no different than race horse tips. Some hit but most lose.

    While you research companies to invest in and buying blue chip companies hoping for 5% growth in the long term, the real money is being made weekly / monthly.
    Last edited by blackhole; 10-30-2018 at 09:03 AM.

  8. #88
    Originally Posted by Moses View Post
    The $20k in a day was in 1987 and in the stock market. How could a long term stock market investor not remember that day? The 2 million had nothing to do with gambling, unless you consider marriage and real estate investments gambling. In my mind, it's the biggest form of gambling. Now, don't tell me you haven't suffered volatility in the stock market. Perhaps you had it socked away in a 401k and never looked? To say I took it in stride would be the biggest understatement ever. If the "dream" means nightmares waking me up every night at 3am for the last 8 years, then yes, I suppose one could say I'm living the dream.
    You finally made a post I completely understand.

  9. #89
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    Originally Posted by Moses View Post
    The $20k in a day was in 1987 and in the stock market. How could a long term stock market investor not remember that day? The 2 million had nothing to do with gambling...
    You finally made a post I completely understand.
    Focusing on big anecdotal stories of the past is, at best, a waste of time. If you really know what you are doing, tell us all about tomorrow.

    Yeah, card counting worked 30 years ago, blah, blah, blah. Sure it did. Thirty years from now, the same losers will be saying the same thing about now.

    Gamblers talk about the past because they have no future.
    True addicts are incredibly credible. Gambling is just another word for keep losing. Nothing "sweeter" than watching people try to make something out of an internet gambling site. A bozo's set of bozos whether system or advantage players. Both types to whichever degree could make billions in the markets if any of that stuff actually worked. It's great to be a spectator of gambling, and not to have one leg and arm stuck in the "grave" like the cunts, cowards and crackpots here. Forever 57.

  10. #90
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    You finally made a post I completely understand.
    If you weren't an athlete and/or don't play blackjack, I can see you wouldn't understand. I don't see the big deal in playing blackjack or betting on pro sports. As long as one does the homework just like one should in real estate, stock market, and most purchases. You can always walk away from a blackjack table when the game no longer fit you plan for success. A sports bet is a 3 to 4 hour investment. But the stock market is generally at least a day. In real estate, a wrong decision, or trust the wrong person, and it can have you by the balls for years.

    This is not to suggest young people should be doing this as opposed to earning a living. However, once you've hit retirement or save enough to support yourself, it's a nice way to supplement income. Low risk IF you're willing to do your homework.

  11. #91
    Originally Posted by Bill Yung View Post

    Gamblers talk about the past because they have no future.
    That's like saying coaches shouldn't study game films.

  12. #92
    Learning from the past is different from foolishly dwelling on it. In general, however, game theory has NOTHING to do with the past. As well, the fundamental concepts of physics and math are timeless. Too bad that law and political books are full of such past references, what a mess.
    True addicts are incredibly credible. Gambling is just another word for keep losing. Nothing "sweeter" than watching people try to make something out of an internet gambling site. A bozo's set of bozos whether system or advantage players. Both types to whichever degree could make billions in the markets if any of that stuff actually worked. It's great to be a spectator of gambling, and not to have one leg and arm stuck in the "grave" like the cunts, cowards and crackpots here. Forever 57.

  13. #93
    Originally Posted by Bill Yung View Post
    Focusing on big anecdotal stories of the past is, at best, a waste of time. If you really know what you are doing, tell us all about tomorrow.
    .
    So is the stock market going down or up tomorrow? You've got a 50-50 chance of being right. Generally, history repeats itself and/or there is an obvious trend. Just like you getting banned from websites and changing your name. That stat goes back to at least 2010.

  14. #94
    Originally Posted by Moses View Post
    The 2 million had nothing to do with gambling, unless you consider marriage and real estate investments gambling.
    Moses, Fact #1 in any divorce: The gal gets the mine, the guy gets the shaft.

    I thought you once mentioned everything was split 50/50 in your divorce. If so, not many folks have 4 million to divide up. And if your share was 2 million you are still a very rich man.

  15. #95
    Originally Posted by Midwest Player View Post
    Originally Posted by Moses View Post
    The 2 million had nothing to do with gambling, unless you consider marriage and real estate investments gambling.
    Moses, Fact #1 in any divorce: The gal gets the mine, the guy gets the shaft.

    I thought you once mentioned everything was split 50/50 in your divorce. If so, not many folks have 4 million to divide up. And if your share was 2 million you are still a very rich man.
    The problem is we had to lose 50% in order to split the remaining 50%. The original long term investments were no longer a consideration. Fact #1 should be part of the vows. I would've ran my ass out of that church and never looked back. But noooo, For better, for worse in sickness and in health. What a bunch of crap! I'm fine. But the kids got the shaft.
    Last edited by Moses; 10-30-2018 at 10:33 AM.

  16. #96
    A guy that's won a million dollars playing blackjack professionally over 15 years has a 29K losing week and Alan and Stinkhole are now running around going "The sky is falling! The sky is falling! Bawk! Bawk! Bawk! The sky is falling!"
    Hate crime hoaxes? The left's demand for biggots greatly exceeds the supply.

  17. #97
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    A guy that's won a million dollars playing blackjack professionally over 15 years has a 29K losing week and Alan and Stinkhole are now running around going "The sky is falling! The sky is falling! Bawk! Bawk! Bawk! The sky is falling!"
    And you can prove he won a million dollars? Or even lost $29k....

    You're such a dummy in a world of real people. That's what a boring, uneventful, empty life gets you.

  18. #98
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    A guy that's won a million dollars playing blackjack professionally over 15 years has a 29K losing week and Alan and Stinkhole are now running around going "The sky is falling! The sky is falling! Bawk! Bawk! Bawk! The sky is falling!"
    And you can prove he won a million dollars? Or even lost $29k....

    You're such a dummy in a world of real people. That's what a boring, uneventful, empty life gets you.
    I've played more blackjack than Mickey? If Mickey is that easy to fool, then what of his own claims here? KJ isn't a flake, he's a big flake.
    True addicts are incredibly credible. Gambling is just another word for keep losing. Nothing "sweeter" than watching people try to make something out of an internet gambling site. A bozo's set of bozos whether system or advantage players. Both types to whichever degree could make billions in the markets if any of that stuff actually worked. It's great to be a spectator of gambling, and not to have one leg and arm stuck in the "grave" like the cunts, cowards and crackpots here. Forever 57.

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