The Singer Five

[Rob.Singer]

C'mon Red. You have to take Rob at face value. I think he enjoys giving people shit and is not on a mission to save the gambling addicts from themselves. Maybe I'm reading from a different perspective, but the guy cracks me up. Crimm too. And you have a great sense of humor as well. Personally, I need that in my life because the game itself is very intense and everywhere I go, I'm a target. OF course, I am the first to admit I don't know beans about machines. But I see it everyday in the sportsbooks. No one is going to save them from whatever it is that they do. Rob is mild by comparison.

Simply put, this is WORK. But the job offers some great benefits. I read all the forum rhetoric about self professed pros. Exactly who are they trying to impress? It's more like being on scholarship. Hence, the best players live off campus. All I really have to do is play well and stay out of trouble. They take care of the rest.

Red's single most nagging problem here is that I exposed him for soliciting me. Other than that, he's a serious Lost in Space groupie.

[Alan Mendelson]

I just want to say a few things and then you can all jump all over me, as usual.

First I'm glad that Dan is not censoring Rob and is allowing for readers to judge Rob themselves. Honestly there are valid things Rob says about playing video poker that the APs here refuse to accept because of their own stubbornness. And there are statements that the APs make against Rob because of their own ignorance.

Two examples:
1. Rob does not use a Martingale strategy but the APs will never accept it.
2. Rob uses the math of the games to play and the APs here will never accept that either.

But, with that said, Rob has made statements that lack proof and shouldn't be made. First this claim that redietz has solicited Rob. Without proof that he can provide Rob should drop that claim.

Also, let it be clear that Rob has never proven his million dollars of winnings but I'm going to say it again: I see no reason why a high limit video poker player couldn't win a million dollars over ten years.

I can't comment about the sports picking because I don't know a damn thing about sports betting. By the way with my random computer picks at Red Rock I'm now tied in 41st place, but more importantly I've won entries into six different drawings including the drawing for having picked only losing teams in one week. How about that for an accomplishment!

[Rob.Singer]

This is your site and allowing mathematically impossible claims or "crackpot theories" as you call them is a reflection on the site and you specifically as owner. This is the reason few legitimate players, AP's or recreational want anything to do with this site and why we don't grow to be anything more than the shithole that it is. Vegas Casino Talk and you Todd Wittles as owner, get labeled as crackpot voodoo nonsense.

Singer's claims of winning a million plus dollars over 10 years playing -EV games are no different than some joker showing up and claiming he has won millions playing roulette by waiting for 4 consecutive blacks to appear and then betting red. It's voodoo/bullshit/nonsense. Mathematically impossible. And allowing such claims here without constant challenges amounts to an endorsement.

Wouldn't you like this site to be taken seriously, as providing useful and mathematically sound information, instead of being viewed as a joke?

This is a forum.

I do not endorse anything written here, other than things I directly say I endorse.

People know what forums are. They've been around for about 2 decades.

Every forum has its crackpots, trolls, liars, weirdos, etc.

I don't feel I need to act as arbiter of fact and truth here. I can state my opinion, which I have many times, and then the readers can judge.

Rob's ideas are shot down by so many people that I can't imagine any sane reader coming away with the impression that he's right and everyone else is wrong. If someone does, then they aren't intelligent enough to be helped by any legitimate gambling advice here, anyway. Some people are just destined to lose because they refuse to listen to reason.

Reminds me a drive I took from LA to Vegas in around 2006. I was going back to my apartment in Vegas with my then-girlfriend, and one of her friends went along for the ride. Her friend asked me for blackjack advice. Knowing that she was mostly a beginner and didn't need to be overwhelmed with complex strategy talk, I just gave her some very basics, including the need to avoid the 6:5 tables. (Back then, these were actually avoidable at lower limits!)

I asked her a few days later how her trip went. (She got a ride back from someone else.) She told me that she lost. I asked if she stayed away from the 6:5 games. She paused and said, "Uhh... well, no, I did at first, but I wasn't getting lucky at 3:2, so I thought maybe the 6:5 ones would be luckier for me."

I felt like a fool for giving her advice in the first place.

There are two kinds of gamblers. Those that believe in possibilities and those that believe in probabilities. The possibility gamblers outnumber the probability gamblers 99.54% to .46%.

We agree on this. I believe in probabilities. As in, if you sit down and play a 99% vp game in a single denomination for 3 hours, you'll PROBABLY lose. You'll also PROBABLY lose if the game is at 102%.

Conversely, if you were to sit down and play my 6-denomination SPS for 3 hours at either %, you'll PROBABLY win.

And the above scenarios can and do happen time after time after time, because no PROBABILITY theory in the world will ever change the expectation of playing single session after single session after single session.

That's just the way it is. And I am the only one here who is intelligent enough to understand it, and the only one here who has ever done it.

[tableplay]

I think the powers that be have gone way too far to the simplistic metrics.

Another possibility is the revolution in deep learning algorithms. So the linemakers might be using simplistic stuff, but others ("smart money") making the wagers may be using AI/deep learning to create far superior models. These can be unsupervised algorithms meaning that people just collect all the metrics they can (such as "Is NFL pro QB from California" coded as 0 or 1, "Did NFL pro QB play his whole college career in California" coded as 0 or 1 for the model, etc.) and then the unsupervised algorithm generates the vastly superior models from these thousands of metrics collected by humans (or rather the collecting bins are created by humans and computers populate the created metrics). So the smart money may be outsourcing physics/math crews to make the models and the physics/math crews might be putting down some action themselves.

[kewlJ]

I try to mostly let people express themselves freely here, even if their opinions are controversial or stupid.

I delete messages and ban people from threads when serious threads get hijacked with nonsense.

If Rob ever gets banned again, it will be for trolling, not for posting incorrect gambling info. He's welcome to post all the crackpot theories he likes.

I gotta tell you. This post ends my participation.

Saying you have no responsibility isn't really the same as having no responsibility. Why would anybody with expertise, in any endeavor, contribute to a place where crackpot is on the same footing as non-crackpot?

I am with Redietz here. I am done participating here. I know people will jump on that statement because I have said it many times before. But there just is no sense in continuing with this insanity. I have tried everything and I mean everything I can think of to get Dan to take an interest in this site and want this site to be more than the trolling name-calling shithole that it is, but Dan refuses. He just doesn't give a shit that this site is a joke, a laughing stock.

We aren't talking about a difference of opinion, we are talking lunacy. Earth is flat stuff. 18 y.o.'s in a row. Million dollar longterm earnings playing -EV games. Stop limits, progressive wagering and all the other mathematically proven nonsense and voodoo.

So have at it. When I arrived, Vegas Casino Talk was a troll infested shithole that no legitimate gambler whether playing with an advantage or recreational, takes seriously and it is the same as I leave. I will no longer waste my time on a forum that the owner is just as much of the problem as the trolls that he allows to run the show.

I encourage all other serious members and players, AP's and recreational to do likewise and let this shithole site die and just fade away.

[regnis]

I think the powers that be have gone way too far to the simplistic metrics.

Another possibility is the revolution in deep learning algorithms. So the linemakers might be using simplistic stuff, but others ("smart money") making the wagers may be using AI/deep learning to create far superior models. These can be unsupervised algorithms meaning that people just collect all the metrics they can (such as "Is NFL pro QB from California" coded as 0 or 1, "Did NFL pro QB play his whole college career in California" coded as 0 or 1 for the model, etc.) and then the unsupervised algorithm generates the vastly superior models from these thousands of metrics collected by humans (or rather the collecting bins are created by humans and computers populate the created metrics). So the smart money may be outsourcing physics/math crews to make the models and the physics/math crews might be putting down some action themselves.

I have a friend (albeit a bigoted friend) that has a very simple system that he has done well with. He fades the black QB's. When they are both black he goes by "blackness", so that he would fade Cam or Jameis over Wilson or Mahomes.

[Rob.Singer]

I try to mostly let people express themselves freely here, even if their opinions are controversial or stupid.

I delete messages and ban people from threads when serious threads get hijacked with nonsense.

If Rob ever gets banned again, it will be for trolling, not for posting incorrect gambling info. He's welcome to post all the crackpot theories he likes.

I gotta tell you. This post ends my participation.

Saying you have no responsibility isn't really the same as having no responsibility. Why would anybody with expertise, in any endeavor, contribute to a place where crackpot is on the same footing as non-crackpot?

I am with Redietz here. I am done participating here. I know people will jump on that statement because I have said it many times before. But there just is no sense in continuing with this insanity. I have tried everything and I mean everything I can think of to get Dan to take an interest in this site and want this site to be more than the trolling name-calling shithole that it is, but Dan refuses. He just doesn't give a shit that this site is a joke, a laughing stock.

We aren't talking about a difference of opinion, we are talking lunacy. Earth is flat stuff. 18 y.o.'s in a row. Million dollar longterm earnings playing -EV games. Stop limits, progressive wagering and all the other mathematically proven nonsense and voodoo.

So have at it. When I arrived, Vegas Casino Talk was a troll infested shithole that no legitimate gambler whether playing with an advantage or recreational, takes seriously and it is the same as I leave. I will no longer waste my time on a forum that the owner is just as much of the problem as the trolls that he allows to run the show.

I encourage all other serious members and players, AP's and recreational to do likewise and let this shithole site die and just fade away.

You're again full of it kew, because you just can't take it when someone says something about you if it's not "kew's my bj hero" or "kew has such a large....bankroll". So what do you ALWAYS end up doing? Yup....keep on taking peeks so you can get infuriated again! Then you come crawling back And stop blaming Dan. YOU'RE the sole reason you got banned from the pussified WoV forum.

But just think....if you were ONLY the self-proclaimed stud bj-pro who wins every year and can count two tables simultaneously and accumulates all those wondrous phantom bucks that you've concocted to be here....then guess what? Right!--YOU WOULDN'T EVER HAVE THE NERVE-WRACKING NEED TO KEEP HOPING NO ONE CALLS YOUR FOOLISH BLUFFS, and there'd never be this tortuous requirement you possess to keep "taking a look". True successful gambling pros do not have the problems you're saddled with.

Think about it....and cry me a river (sniffle sniffle)

[coach belly]

This post ends my participation.

I am with Redietz here. I am done participating here.

How many times have these 2 weirdos quit this forum ?

Why do they need to announce it every time they quit ?

[Rob.Singer]

This post ends my participation.

I am with Redietz here. I am done participating here.

How many times have these 2 weirdos quit this forum ?

Why do they need to announce it every time they quit ?

Kew does it for the attention, and the belief that he'll be missed.

Redietz does it because that's how they do it on Pluto.

Then there's the burning question of why redietz would go on and on about why people like him in the sports betting business, would be smart and right to also try and SELL their fantastic picks, while at the same time vehemently denying that he tried to sell his "sure things" as he calls them in his business, to me.

They tell me that's the way it's done on the other side of the little dipper.

[monet]

Cut out the Jibber Jabber!
On with the Special 5 Picks and Parlay for this week!!
After that shut your dang pie hole!

[Rob.Singer]

Is he part of the Negro Football League?

[Moses]

Is he part of the Negro Football League?

I'm not sure. But that is the first down signal for sure.

[mickeycrimm]

I try to mostly let people express themselves freely here, even if their opinions are controversial or stupid.

I delete messages and ban people from threads when serious threads get hijacked with nonsense.

If Rob ever gets banned again, it will be for trolling, not for posting incorrect gambling info. He's welcome to post all the crackpot theories he likes.

Theories?

BTW, have you noticed who the thread hi-jackers are on THIS thread? And because redietz doesn't want it to be that I'm actually betting something called REAL MONEY on my picks, which the armchair theorists can't get a grip on--and that he chooses to assume I have no property in Nevada or a Nevada DL, he hijacks it with more of his corn. Corn from outer space, just to be clear.

Rob, you've always ran down "theory." At least from others. But your tactics of using a martingale at video poker is based on a theory.

[mickeycrimm]

C'mon Red. You have to take Rob at face value. I think he enjoys giving people shit and is not on a mission to save the gambling addicts from themselves. Maybe I'm reading from a different perspective, but the guy cracks me up. Crimm too. And you have a great sense of humor as well. Personally, I need that in my life because the game itself is very intense and everywhere I go, I'm a target. OF course, I am the first to admit I don't know beans about machines. But I see it everyday in the sportsbooks. No one is going to save them from whatever it is that they do. Rob is mild by comparison.

Simply put, this is WORK. But the job offers some great benefits. I read all the forum rhetoric about self professed pros. Exactly who are they trying to impress? It's more like being on scholarship. Hence, the best players live off campus. All I really have to do is play well and stay out of trouble. They take care of the rest.

Red's single most nagging problem here is that I exposed him for soliciting me. Other than that, he's a serious Lost in Space groupie.

Pics or it didn't happen.

[mickeycrimm]

I am with Redietz here. I am done participating here.

How many times have these 2 weirdos quit this forum ?

Why do they need to announce it every time they quit ?

Kew does it for the attention, and the belief that he'll be missed.

Redietz does it because that's how they do it on Pluto.

Then there's the burning question of why redietz would go on and on about why people like him in the sports betting business, would be smart and right to also try and SELL their fantastic picks, while at the same time vehemently denying that he tried to sell his "sure things" as he calls them in his business, to me.

They tell me that's the way it's done on the other side of the little dipper.

Pics or it didn't happen.

[mickeycrimm]

I just want to say a few things and then you can all jump all over me, as usual.

First I'm glad that Dan is not censoring Rob and is allowing for readers to judge Rob themselves. Honestly there are valid things Rob says about playing video poker that the APs here refuse to accept because of their own stubbornness. And there are statements that the APs make against Rob because of their own ignorance.

Two examples:
1. Rob does not use a Martingale strategy but the APs will never accept it.
2. Rob uses the math of the games to play and the APs here will never accept that either.

But, with that said, Rob has made statements that lack proof and shouldn't be made. First this claim that redietz has solicited Rob. Without proof that he can provide Rob should drop that claim.

Also, let it be clear that Rob has never proven his million dollars of winnings but I'm going to say it again: I see no reason why a high limit video poker player couldn't win a million dollars over ten years.

I can't comment about the sports picking because I don't know a damn thing about sports betting. By the way with my random computer picks at Red Rock I'm now tied in 41st place, but more importantly I've won entries into six different drawings including the drawing for having picked only losing teams in one week. How about that for an accomplishment!

Rob uses a margtingale variant. That's a stone cold fact that does not require your concurrence.

[Moses]

This post ends my participation.

I am with Redietz here. I am done participating here.

How many times have these 2 weirdos quit this forum ?

Why do they need to announce it every time they quit ?

I dunno Coach. It could be Bad Gas.

[Rob.Singer]

I just want to say a few things and then you can all jump all over me, as usual.

First I'm glad that Dan is not censoring Rob and is allowing for readers to judge Rob themselves. Honestly there are valid things Rob says about playing video poker that the APs here refuse to accept because of their own stubbornness. And there are statements that the APs make against Rob because of their own ignorance.

Two examples:
1. Rob does not use a Martingale strategy but the APs will never accept it.
2. Rob uses the math of the games to play and the APs here will never accept that either.

But, with that said, Rob has made statements that lack proof and shouldn't be made. First this claim that redietz has solicited Rob. Without proof that he can provide Rob should drop that claim.

Also, let it be clear that Rob has never proven his million dollars of winnings but I'm going to say it again: I see no reason why a high limit video poker player couldn't win a million dollars over ten years.

I can't comment about the sports picking because I don't know a damn thing about sports betting. By the way with my random computer picks at Red Rock I'm now tied in 41st place, but more importantly I've won entries into six different drawings including the drawing for having picked only losing teams in one week. How about that for an accomplishment!

Rob uses a margtingale variant. That's a stone cold fact that does not require your concurrence.

What an idiot you are mickey. Even aging uses a "martingale variant". That lack of education thing keeps biting you right in the ass, doesn't it.

Alan, it is a "stone cold fact" that redietz has solicited me. I don't have proof because I don't retain text messages or record phone calls. However, exposing him for doing this is fair play, esp. for a scoundrel such as him.

True, I have not proven that I've won a million bucks with my strategy, but neither has anyone else, especially the AP's, who claim to do nothing but win. But....I am the only one I know of who publicly challenged the AP's that I could prove with detailed tax and financial records that I had won $640k to date at the time and I put up the verifiable--and verified $640k--in cash, but the disbelievers suddenly went silent and disappeared.

Now it's too bad they walked because I could have absolutely proven it. The end result is that they can keep on pretending and saying I didn't win. However, has anyone ever witnessed any gambler go as far as I have, AND IN PUBLICATION FORM WITH A REAL 6-FIGURE ESCROW, to prove their claims? That alone should allow my words to have some amount of merit to any fair-minded individual, and it all is retained in public records for anyone to go back and check. My guess is a few of the creepy armchair ap's here and on WoV have already done so. Why else do you think they hate and envy me?

[MaxPen]

I just want to say a few things and then you can all jump all over me, as usual.

First I'm glad that Dan is not censoring Rob and is allowing for readers to judge Rob themselves. Honestly there are valid things Rob says about playing video poker that the APs here refuse to accept because of their own stubbornness. And there are statements that the APs make against Rob because of their own ignorance.

Two examples:
1. Rob does not use a Martingale strategy but the APs will never accept it.
2. Rob uses the math of the games to play and the APs here will never accept that either.

But, with that said, Rob has made statements that lack proof and shouldn't be made. First this claim that redietz has solicited Rob. Without proof that he can provide Rob should drop that claim.

Also, let it be clear that Rob has never proven his million dollars of winnings but I'm going to say it again: I see no reason why a high limit video poker player couldn't win a million dollars over ten years.

I can't comment about the sports picking because I don't know a damn thing about sports betting. By the way with my random computer picks at Red Rock I'm now tied in 41st place, but more importantly I've won entries into six different drawings including the drawing for having picked only losing teams in one week. How about that for an accomplishment!

Rob uses a margtingale variant. That's a stone cold fact that does not require your concurrence.

What an idiot you are mickey. Even aging uses a "martingale variant". That lack of education thing keeps biting you right in the ass, doesn't it.

Alan, it is a "stone cold fact" that redietz has solicited me. I don't have proof because I don't retain text messages or record phone calls. However, exposing him for doing this is fair play, esp. for a scoundrel such as him.

True, I have not proven that I've won a million bucks with my strategy, but neither has anyone else, especially the AP's, who claim to do nothing but win. But....I am the only one I know of who publicly challenged the AP's that I could prove with detailed tax and financial records that I had won $640k to date at the time and I put up the verifiable--and verified $640k--in cash, but the disbelievers suddenly went silent and disappeared.

Now it's too bad they walked because I could have absolutely proven it. The end result is that they can keep on pretending and saying I didn't win. However, has anyone ever witnessed any gambler go as far as I have, AND IN PUBLICATION FORM WITH A REAL 6-FIGURE ESCROW, to prove their claims? That alone should allow my words to have some amount of merit to any fair-minded individual, and it all is retained in public records for anyone to go back and check. My guess is a few of the creepy armchair ap's here and on WoV have already done so. Why else do you think they hate and envy me?

The public record for you is delinquency, bankruptcy, welfare fraud, and no real property. Try again.
Wise Up

[mickeycrimm]

Rob uses a margtingale variant. That's a stone cold fact that does not require your concurrence.

What an idiot you are mickey. Even aging uses a "martingale variant". That lack of education thing keeps biting you right in the ass, doesn't it.

Alan, it is a "stone cold fact" that redietz has solicited me. I don't have proof because I don't retain text messages or record phone calls. However, exposing him for doing this is fair play, esp. for a scoundrel such as him.

True, I have not proven that I've won a million bucks with my strategy, but neither has anyone else, especially the AP's, who claim to do nothing but win. But....I am the only one I know of who publicly challenged the AP's that I could prove with detailed tax and financial records that I had won $640k to date at the time and I put up the verifiable--and verified $640k--in cash, but the disbelievers suddenly went silent and disappeared.

Now it's too bad they walked because I could have absolutely proven it. The end result is that they can keep on pretending and saying I didn't win. However, has anyone ever witnessed any gambler go as far as I have, AND IN PUBLICATION FORM WITH A REAL 6-FIGURE ESCROW, to prove their claims? That alone should allow my words to have some amount of merit to any fair-minded individual, and it all is retained in public records for anyone to go back and check. My guess is a few of the creepy armchair ap's here and on WoV have already done so. Why else do you think they hate and envy me?

The public record for you is delinquency, bankruptcy, welfare fraud, and no real property. Try again.
Wise Up

IIRC, there has never been a piece of property found to be in his name and that's probably due to background checks. He can't withstand them.