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  1. #41
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    BTW, the books took a shellacking this past weekend. Rob wasn't in on it.
    I saw that and felt left out and lonely.....

    A few comments on the comments:

    1. I understand a parlay is a bad bet, not the least because of not being able to get the best numbers all at the same book. However, not being a savant in this area and the fact that I'm only betting $100/parlay each week for entertainment purposes, makes it an interesting side bet. I've only made about 3 or 4 parlay bets in my life and remember, I had a $40,000+ winner on my last one 6 years ago. So all it takes is one 5-0 week to be a breakout season winner.

    2. While my parlay will remain at $100, each week I'm upping my per-game wager by $100, at $500 max. Why not eat better quality road kill each passing week?

    3. I'll address the tournament factor that people like redietz, Fezzik and others like to tout as support for their being big shots or something in the sports betting field. To me, tournaments are not barometers--you're playing against other players and you can win even with a not-so-stellar record. Instead, show me someone who puts his picks up BEFORE the games are played and I'll be a believer. The reason I did the Singer Five on LVA was to prove you don't need to be some big deal name in the sports betting world to make some money betting on games. I've always been a big believer in if you are motivated to be good at something...ANYTHING...and if you are not not physically limited, then it can be done by you. I chose to be good at betting NFL games, and although I very infrequently have had the time to do it properly over the years, I have the time now.

    Tournaments are not pure barometers, but if they are ATS tournaments, and you cannot beard multiple entries, then they are pretty good indicators that you're doing something correct that season. Where they fall short is that, in this day and age, with spreads moving in college sports as much as they do, WHEN you bet a game is almost as important as WHO you bet.

    Much of the actual profit in betting college sports comes from anticipating line moves and shooting for middles. You can be dumb as a rock when it comes to handicapping, but if you can look at a college line and say, "It's gotta move this way," you can still make money.

    By the way, in case Argentino didn't understand what he was looking at in the Retro Road Trip thread, the standings in the various "Tipsters or Gypsters?" are not tournament standings. They are obviously a reportage of the actual handicapping records of the participants that year, as monitored by Seattle Times reporter, Mike McCusker.

    Classic example tonight of what I mentioned. I took Kent +22 (-120) Monday early because I thought the line was too steep and there was a chance of bad weather (not the case). I could have done better, as +22 1/2 could have been had right out of the box Sunday night at -110, but midweek stand-alone games can draw a lot of fave action, so one has to be a bit careful. I was actually somewhat sloppy, partly because I had no real opinion on the game.

    In any event, I'll be laying -17 at the worst the other way tonight for 90% of the wager. I might be able to do better; we'll see.


    But this is a prime example of WHEN mattering more than WHO. I have very little opinion on the game itself. I just thought the number was likely to shift down.

    For sports aficionados, I will mention that a side effect of doing stuff like this is that you become un-data-mine-able. Nobody can profile what kinds of teams you actually take as straight bets. Some offshores are actually profiling clients these days. When some individuals check the same book with two different accounts, they sometimes get two different numbers. Yes, you can be profiled.

  2. #42
    This week's picks: Record so far: 3-2 Down close to $70 (I pay my friend $50/week to place these bets.) Each game below has $200 on it this week except for my LOCK OF THE WEEK which has $300.

    Pit -3.5 over Car
    Det +6.5 over Chi
    Sea +9.5 over LAR
    NE -6.5 over Ten
    Indy -3 over Jax

    Of course, there's a $100 5-team parlay also.

  3. #43
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    This week's picks: Record so far: 3-2 Down close to $70 (I pay my friend $50/week to place these bets.) Each game below has $200 on it this week except for my LOCK OF THE WEEK which has $300.

    Pit -3.5 over Car
    Det +6.5 over Chi
    Sea +9.5 over LAR
    NE -6.5 over Ten
    Indy -3 over Jax

    Of course, there's a $100 5-team parlay also.
    Brief suggestion so you don't go nuts: keep the straight play record and tally separate from the parlay record and tally. It'll be less confusing. So you're 3-2 (+$80) on straight plays and 0-1 (-$100) on parlays. Non-experts can follow that cleanly.

  4. #44
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    I guess, if Robbochio loses, he'll move up to $400 per game next week. What a dumbass, regardless of the outcome.
    Looks like I was wrong. He only moved up to $200. This disaster must work differently than his VP strategy.

  5. #45
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    This week's picks: Record so far: 3-2 Down close to $70 (I pay my friend $50/week to place these bets.) Each game below has $200 on it this week except for my LOCK OF THE WEEK which has $300.

    Pit -3.5 over Car
    Det +6.5 over Chi
    Sea +9.5 over LAR
    NE -6.5 over Ten
    Indy -3 over Jax

    Of course, there's a $100 5-team parlay also.
    Brief suggestion so you don't go nuts: keep the straight play record and tally separate from the parlay record and tally. It'll be less confusing. So you're 3-2 (+$80) on straight plays and 0-1 (-$100) on parlays. Non-experts can follow that cleanly.
    Good suggestion.

    max, exactly how much real estate do I own inside your head?

  6. #46
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    This week's picks: Record so far: 3-2 Down close to $70 (I pay my friend $50/week to place these bets.) Each game below has $200 on it this week except for my LOCK OF THE WEEK which has $300.

    Pit -3.5 over Car
    Det +6.5 over Chi
    Sea +9.5 over LAR
    NE -6.5 over Ten
    Indy -3 over Jax

    Of course, there's a $100 5-team parlay also.
    Brief suggestion so you don't go nuts: keep the straight play record and tally separate from the parlay record and tally. It'll be less confusing. So you're 3-2 (+$80) on straight plays and 0-1 (-$100) on parlays. Non-experts can follow that cleanly.
    Good suggestion.

    max, exactly how much real estate do I own inside your head?
    Although your BS takes up a lot of space it is not a problem. Like most others with a completely functional brain housing group I am only operating at 10% capacity. I have room to deal with many like you. Sorry that thing misfiring between your ears has led you to falsely believe people don't see right thru your BS.

  7. #47
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post

    Brief suggestion so you don't go nuts: keep the straight play record and tally separate from the parlay record and tally. It'll be less confusing. So you're 3-2 (+$80) on straight plays and 0-1 (-$100) on parlays. Non-experts can follow that cleanly.
    Good suggestion.

    max, exactly how much real estate do I own inside your head?
    Although your BS takes up a lot of space it is not a problem. Like most others with a completely functional brain housing group I am only operating at 10% capacity. I have room to deal with many like you. Sorry that thing misfiring between your ears has led you to falsely believe people don't see right thru your BS.
    Denial. The 2nd most prolific trait of a compulsive liar.

  8. #48
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    I guess, if Robbochio loses, he'll move up to $400 per game next week. What a dumbass, regardless of the outcome.
    Looks like I was wrong. He only moved up to $200. This disaster must work differently than his VP strategy.
    Fire up some of that excess brain power you have, and go back and read my betting plan up until the playoffs again.

  9. #49
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post

    Good suggestion.

    max, exactly how much real estate do I own inside your head?
    Although your BS takes up a lot of space it is not a problem. Like most others with a completely functional brain housing group I am only operating at 10% capacity. I have room to deal with many like you. Sorry that thing misfiring between your ears has led you to falsely believe people don't see right thru your BS.
    Denial. The 2nd most prolific trait of a compulsive liar.
    Did you say compulsive liar?
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    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  10. #50
    The Panthers aren't the Patriots, so I'm booking tonight's game after three quarters as a win.

    1-0

  11. #51
    Congrats on game 1. You have an intriguing five picks. Good luck.

  12. #52
    Originally Posted by Deech View Post
    Congrats on game 1. You have an intriguing five picks. Good luck.
    Thanks. I'm 20% of the way towards the parlay win. Not many here know what to say or think right now. But just WATCH then come out of their stew if I have a losing week!

  13. #53
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by Deech View Post
    Congrats on game 1. You have an intriguing five picks. Good luck.
    Thanks. I'm 20% of the way towards the parlay win. Not many here know what to say or think right now. But just WATCH then come out of their stew if I have a losing week!
    Relax, Argentino. People aren't going to evaluate you based on 50 games. Just do your best. Believe it or not, I root for everyone against casinos. And personally, I would forget about the parlay stuff. Parlays are, to quote both you and a famous bookmaker, for "the little people" (aka poor).

  14. #54
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by Deech View Post
    Congrats on game 1. You have an intriguing five picks. Good luck.
    Thanks. I'm 20% of the way towards the parlay win. Not many here know what to say or think right now. But just WATCH then come out of their stew if I have a losing week!
    You're a mortal lock to cash.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  15. #55
    Not at all sure what that means mickey.

    Nonetheless, I'm making an addendum to my 5 picks this week. I'm adding one more because I just heard some "inside information" over here from a high profile sports guy.

    Az +16.5 over KC

    Because it's an add-on, I only put $100 on it and of course it's not part of the parlay which is still in play. My friend was at a locals casino when I just called him, so he didn't have to make a special trip.

    By the way, if I hit a parlay, he gets 10% of the payout.

  16. #56
    The addendum is a fascinating game. I'm supposed to take it, based on various value angles. The idea turns my stomach, which is usually a sure sign one is getting value. The line has actually come down significantly, so since I'm not getting the best of it, I have a lovely excuse to not play it. You certainly cannot lay 16 in an NFL game, of course. Good luck, Argentino.

  17. #57
    I'm going to hammer on this point again. Thanks to the addendum game, Argentino showed a profit on straight plays for a second week, but registered a second overall loss due to the inclusion of a parlay wager. Instead of back-to-back profit weeks, it's back-to-back losing weeks. Parlay card wagers are a massive profit source for sports books.

  18. #58
    This week: Straight plays: 3-2-1. Profit: $50. Season: 6-4-1. Profit: $120

    Parlays: 0-2. Loss: $200

    Cumulative Overall Total (COT): -$80

    I'm using a vig of 10% to keep the numbers rounded.
    Last edited by Rob.Singer; 11-12-2018 at 09:01 AM.

  19. #59
    Suggestions:

    1) Forget about the expenses thing. The people reading it would have varied expenses, if any, so I wouldn't sweat it. You may say, "Well, that's real accounting," but it can work the other way, too. For example, if I were playing your games, at one site I am eligible for a 25% loss rebate every six months. Those are idiosyncratic things, so everybody would be different. I'd just keep the tally without expenses.

    2) If you occasionally make a straight bet on a -105 time bracket somewhere (the Westin used to do that), it's fine to include that.

  20. #60
    This week's picks just placed @ $300/game, except my Lock of the Week which is $400, along with the $100 5-game ATS parlay:

    Mn +2.5 over Chi
    Indy -1.5 over Tenn
    Az +5 over Oak
    Wash +3 over Hou
    Jac +4.5 over Pit

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