Sequential Reversible Royal machine ($210k jackpot)

[Mission146]

Thanks Mission. First my comment about "real player." It was directed at bozo who is yet to talk about playing in casinos but only attacks me. Honestly all of us who actually bet are real players. Bozo is a troll.

I don't play this progressive and hopefully by now I made that clear.

But my point is only this: IF I WERE to play this progressive I wouldn't give a damn about correct strategy and I'd always be holding ANY royal cards in the CORRECT position... otherwise why play it?

Frankly I just don't understand what the fuss is all about?

If you want to play correct strategy there is 8/5 Bonus poker four feet away from the progressive.

You're welcome. I can assure you that Boz does, in fact, play in casinos. He has done it at least once because I have seen him do it once. We may or may not have also discussed stuff related to casinos via PM.

I understand that you don't play that Progressive and nor would I. I'm simply pointing out that the theoretical one card sequential hold v. dealy flush would theoretically cost you a lot.

You would clearly play it because you want to hit the Sequential Royal, but our point of departure is what you would be willing to sacrifice in order to do that. You said that you don't play that machine because it is a worse paytable than the one you would otherwise play. It's the same concept. From an expected value standpoint, playing a worse paytable and making a suboptimal hold are really no different. You could calculate the return based on what would be your, "Playing strategy," if you wanted to do something that is both exhaustive and relatively pointless.

By extension, you could argue that people play any VP game to, "Hit a Royal," but doing a strategy to maximize Royals at the expense of all else would result in an insanely bad return.

Anyway, there's a point, and I don't know what it is, where that goofy game can theoretically become better than 8/5 Bonus. That only happens if you play it right, though, which I'm sure would have nothing to do with throwing away flushes to keep one royal card in the right position. In my example, the progressive would have to be:

(25 - 2.35315) = x * .000000233603379

22.64685 = x * .000000233603379

22.64685/.000000233603379 = x

96945729.5393 = x

Thus, it would have to be at nearly 97 million dollars before that would become the correct hold. That's holding a Jack, of course, which also happens to be the most favorable lone card in the most favorable possible situation that you could be holding.***

***Holding the Jack with 2-3-4-6 is technically better by EV, but I am not considering it, "Better," because there is an additional hand that it would be better to keep, namely, 2-3-4-6 and throwing away the jack, again, unless the progressive were high enough.

[Mission146]

Let's be honest here. No AP will try for the progressive. They're too worried about pennies.

More than $22 in a flush v. lone Reverse Sequential Royal Card scenario? Not pennies.

[jbjb]

Let's be honest here. No AP will try for the progressive. They're too worried about pennies.

More than $22 in a flush v. lone Reverse Sequential Royal Card scenario? Not pennies.

In reply to Alan. I also didn't try for the $1 billion+ Mega-Millions.

[blackhole]

Mickeycrimm it depends how you define failure and how you put Rob's purported tax filings in perspective.

I haven't seen Rob's taxes... but if he really did win a million dollars at video poker and then paid zero taxes on it because he used deductions for groceries, dining out, parties etc., then I would suggest he's the #1 biggest, most successful AP of all time!

No, Tax cheat. Filing a false return is a felony. If you could really do what Rob said is legal to do then every small business in the country would not be paying taxes.

Wow Mickey, you really are a fucking idiot. For the record, most small business's don't pay very many taxes. You could be certain what they do pay is the bare minimum before red flags might go up. If audited 95% of them get hammered.

From what I'm reading when AP's talk about the IRS could only mean, either they're real stupid or don't file many tax returns of any substance.

[Alan Mendelson]

Mission we're making progress. You wrote:

I understand that you don't play that Progressive and nor would I. I'm simply pointing out that the theoretical one card sequential hold v. dealy flush would theoretically cost you a lot.

Yes. If I were playing for the progressive I wouldn't give a damn about missing the flush.

[jbjb]

Mission we're making progress. You wrote:

I understand that you don't play that Progressive and nor would I. I'm simply pointing out that the theoretical one card sequential hold v. dealy flush would theoretically cost you a lot.

Yes. If I were playing for the progressive I wouldn't give a damn about missing the flush.

AND this guy runs a "Best Buys" show. Should be called "Worst Buys."

[mickeycrimm]

Jbjb there's a reason the progressive hasn't been hit yet, and that is players are more concerned with small wins instead of going for the big one.

As I mentioned there's 8/5 Bonus four feet away. And I've seen players make the conventional plays when royal cards were in the correct position. Maybe they got their dealt straight or two pair, but what if they took a shot at the prigressive?

Let's be honest here. No AP will try for the progressive. They're too worried about pennies.

That because its a sucker game.

[Alan Mendelson]

Mission we're making progress. You wrote:

I understand that you don't play that Progressive and nor would I. I'm simply pointing out that the theoretical one card sequential hold v. dealy flush would theoretically cost you a lot.

Yes. If I were playing for the progressive I wouldn't give a damn about missing the flush.

AND this guy runs a "Best Buys" show. Should be called "Worst Buys."

Why do you persist in these silly comments? Did I say I play it? Did I recommend playing it?

All I said was IF I DID play it, I'd play to hit the progressive. Now go back to finding sloppy dealers so you can hole card them.

[Alan Mendelson]

Jbjb there's a reason the progressive hasn't been hit yet, and that is players are more concerned with small wins instead of going for the big one.

As I mentioned there's 8/5 Bonus four feet away. And I've seen players make the conventional plays when royal cards were in the correct position. Maybe they got their dealt straight or two pair, but what if they took a shot at the prigressive?

Let's be honest here. No AP will try for the progressive. They're too worried about pennies.

That because its a sucker game.

Absolutely. No one is going to hit that sequential. I just had dinner at Red Rock (comped, didn't make a single bet bozo) and I walked past the progressive. Now north of $213,000. Two players were playing DW, the worst chance of any of the games to hit a royal.

[The Boz]

Of course you didn’t play. It’s the 11th of the month and you’re broke. But you used your comp meal so you didn’t starve or beg your son for a dinner.

Yea Alan, I “troll” you because you are such an easy target, but more importantly a life lesson to use as an example to others.

And Thanks for more wonderful advice on DW. And exactly why is it the worst if people don’t follow strategy like you?

And by the way, pay your son you POS.

[The Boz]

And there may or may not have been a down on his luck guy on the overpass walkway between Bally’s and Cromwell today holding a “At least I’m not Alan Mendelson, anything helps” sign today.

Amazing what people will do for $20 and 2 25oz cans of Steel Reserve. Should help your google hits.

And a pic may or may not be coming tomorrow.

[Alan Mendelson]

Please. I would love to see that photo. I need a laugh.