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  1. #1
    I have a practical question: How do you get the seat when must-hit slots are near their payoff point? It doesn't take an AP to be able to see the must hit numbers and jump in.

    As I've mentioned, when the big $20,000 progressive is north of $19,800 at Red Rock you can't find an open machine.

    I also told you about the $1 video poker reversible royals. The jackpot is now north of $210,000 and you probably won't get one of the five seats. Ever since it went north of $206,000 there has been a steady stream of players because people "think" it's due. Of course there is no "due" with a sequential royal but people think that way.

    It's also why you can't find a seat at the 25-cent video poker progressives when the royal is north of $2800 because people think it's due.

    So again, how do the APs get their seat when anyone in the casino can see the same signs and meters?

  2. #2
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    MaxPen there was no reason for you to refer to me in your response to Rob. Frankly I think mickeycrimm has done good work here regarding these particular slots.

    I do have a practical question: how do you get the seat when these slots are near their payoff point? It doesn't take an AP to be able to see the must hit numbers and jump in.

    As I've mentioned, when the big $20,000 progressive is north of $19,800 at Red Rock you can't find an open machine.

    I also told you about the $1 video poker reversible royals. The jackpot is now north of $210,000 and you probably won't get one of the five seats. Ever since it went north of $206,000 there has been a steady stream of players because people "think" it's due. Of course there is no "due" with a sequential royal but people think that way.

    It's also why you can't find a seat at the 25-cent video poker progressives when the royal is north of $2800 because people think it's due.

    So again, how do the APs get their seat when anyone in the casino can see the same signs and meters?
    How do they?
    #FreeTyde

  3. #3
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    MaxPen there was no reason for you to refer to me in your response to Rob. Frankly I think mickeycrimm has done good work here regarding these particular slots.

    I do have a practical question: how do you get the seat when these slots are near their payoff point? It doesn't take an AP to be able to see the must hit numbers and jump in.

    As I've mentioned, when the big $20,000 progressive is north of $19,800 at Red Rock you can't find an open machine.

    I also told you about the $1 video poker reversible royals. The jackpot is now north of $210,000 and you probably won't get one of the five seats. Ever since it went north of $206,000 there has been a steady stream of players because people "think" it's due. Of course there is no "due" with a sequential royal but people think that way.

    It's also why you can't find a seat at the 25-cent video poker progressives when the royal is north of $2800 because people think it's due.

    So again, how do the APs get their seat when anyone in the casino can see the same signs and meters?
    I don't know what paytable you are talking about on the .25 progressive, however, there may be AP's that jump on it, not because they think its due, but because they think its + EV. Again, since I dont know what the paytable is, I dont know if that's the case. However, you are correct, most people believe things are due to hit and or they believe it will hit before a certain number. "it never gets this high, it's going to hit soon"

    Even employees who have been working at the casinos for years in slots think this crazy stuff.

    I used to have a neighbor that was a slot tech (A tech not just a floor person) He had all kinds of crazy ideas about how to beat Video Poker. I tried to tell him that was all nonsense, but of course, he was the expert. FYI he went broke, lost his job, and had to move back home with his parents. He sold me his 78 280Z for dirt cheap I think I paid him $400. I kinda gave it to a friend so he could scout for us. He paid me some money but not enough, I just said forget about it. I wish i still had the car now.
    Last edited by AxelWolf; 11-07-2018 at 01:38 AM.

  4. #4
    Axel, the paytables on the 25-cent progressives are terrible. 6/5 Bonus Poker, for example. But you're playing for the royal, not for full houses and flushes.
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    Full Houses and Flushes are how you survive to live to play for the Royal. More Alan flawed thinking.

  6. #6
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Axel, the paytables on the 25-cent progressives are terrible. 6/5 Bonus Poker, for example. But you're playing for the royal, not for full houses and flushes.
    that prog was slightly over 1% advantage. Not sure what the cash back, free play, comps and meter movement was worth but i assume there would be mistakes made along the way. I would just call it 1%.


    Thers a chance AP's were playing it. Not because it was due, but because it was positive EV.

  7. #7
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    Full Houses and Flushes are how you survive to live to play for the Royal. More Alan flawed thinking.
    And you ignore the progressive because that doesn't make the weak paytable +EV?

  8. #8
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Axel, the paytables on the 25-cent progressives are terrible. 6/5 Bonus Poker, for example. But you're playing for the royal, not for full houses and flushes.
    that prog was slightly over 1% advantage. Not sure what the cash back, free play, comps and meter movement was worth but i assume there would be mistakes made along the way. I would just call it 1%.


    Thers a chance AP's were playing it. Not because it was due, but because it was positive EV.
    With these progressives you get the usual "points" for your play. Red Rock does have greater than 100% payback VP but the points for play are restricted.

    Points are what determine your cashback and comps.

  9. #9
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    Full Houses and Flushes are how you survive to live to play for the Royal. More Alan flawed thinking.
    And you ignore the progressive because that doesn't make the weak paytable +EV?
    You shouldn't ignore either but I know YOU would ignore the rest of the paytable going far too aggressive for the Royal. I can imagine you tossing out pairs for single high cards. holding 2 card royals(A 10 ss even) over 4 flushes and shit like that.

  10. #10
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    Full Houses and Flushes are how you survive to live to play for the Royal. More Alan flawed thinking.
    And you ignore the progressive because that doesn't make the weak paytable +EV?
    You shouldn't ignore either but I know YOU would ignore the rest of the paytable going far too aggressive for the Royal. I can imagine you tossing out pairs for single high cards. holding 2 card royals(A 10 ss even) over 4 flushes and shit like that.
    Two card royals vs 4 flushes? No.
    3 card royals vs 4 flushes -- YES.

    If I'm going to play a 6/5 paytable the royal had better be big. Otherwise Red Rock has plenty of 8/5 Bonus games at 25-cents.

  11. #11
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post

    And you ignore the progressive because that doesn't make the weak paytable +EV?
    You shouldn't ignore either but I know YOU would ignore the rest of the paytable going far too aggressive for the Royal. I can imagine you tossing out pairs for single high cards. holding 2 card royals(A 10 ss even) over 4 flushes and shit like that.
    Two card royals vs 4 flushes? No.
    3 card royals vs 4 flushes -- YES.

    If I'm going to play a 6/5 paytable the royal had better be big. Otherwise Red Rock has plenty of 8/5 Bonus games at 25-cents.
    What do you consider big(and no, your 1/2 inch limp dick isnt big )?

    Would you rather play 8/5 bonus over that $2800 prog?

  12. #12
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    You shouldn't ignore either but I know YOU would ignore the rest of the paytable going far too aggressive for the Royal. I can imagine you tossing out pairs for single high cards. holding 2 card royals(A 10 ss even) over 4 flushes and shit like that.
    Two card royals vs 4 flushes? No.
    3 card royals vs 4 flushes -- YES.

    If I'm going to play a 6/5 paytable the royal had better be big. Otherwise Red Rock has plenty of 8/5 Bonus games at 25-cents.
    What do you consider big(and no, your 1/2 inch limp dick isnt big )?

    Would you rather play 8/5 bonus over that $2800 prog?
    At $2800 I'd play the progressive. It's almost 3X a normal 25-cents royal. Meanwhile pairs, two pairs, trips, quads, flushes and straight flushes pay the same as 8/5 Bonus. The strategy difference with 6/5 is that you only hold the aces when dealt a full house with three aces (per DANCER) and how many times has that happened to you?

  13. #13
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post

    Two card royals vs 4 flushes? No.
    3 card royals vs 4 flushes -- YES.

    If I'm going to play a 6/5 paytable the royal had better be big. Otherwise Red Rock has plenty of 8/5 Bonus games at 25-cents.
    What do you consider big(and no, your 1/2 inch limp dick isnt big )?

    Would you rather play 8/5 bonus over that $2800 prog?
    At $2800 I'd play the progressive. It's almost 3X a normal 25-cents royal. Meanwhile pairs, two pairs, trips, quads, flushes and straight flushes pay the same as 8/5 Bonus. The strategy difference with 6/5 is that you only hold the aces when dealt a full house with three aces (per DANCER) and how many times has that happened to you?
    Thats good that you would play it at $2800 over the 8/5 bonus poker since its +EV at $2800, If you play correctly, that is. I hate/love to say it, but in the videos you posted up you played really bad. It was not even close to the correct strategy. And now you have a diffrent problem with the Royal being up that high. As I said before, I think you would be over aggressive going for the Royal and with your over all bad play I assume you would be playing at -EV.

    Now just imagine if you were not a ploppy who just went to your favorite casinos and played whatever was available at the time while employing inferior strategies. But Instead, you only went to casinos that had progressives that were +EV and played them correctly. You now go from losing money each year to making money each year(assuming you played enough). And yes, there are guys still in Vegas who mainly play +EV progressives that make a living from it.

  14. #14
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    What do you consider big(and no, your 1/2 inch limp dick isnt big )?

    Would you rather play 8/5 bonus over that $2800 prog?
    At $2800 I'd play the progressive. It's almost 3X a normal 25-cents royal. Meanwhile pairs, two pairs, trips, quads, flushes and straight flushes pay the same as 8/5 Bonus. The strategy difference with 6/5 is that you only hold the aces when dealt a full house with three aces (per DANCER) and how many times has that happened to you?
    Thats good that you would play it at $2800 over the 8/5 bonus poker since its +EV at $2800, If you play correctly, that is. I hate/love to say it, but in the videos you posted up you played really bad. It was not even close to the correct strategy. And now you have a diffrent problem with the Royal being up that high. As I said before, I think you would be over aggressive going for the Royal and with your over all bad play I assume you would be playing at -EV.

    Now just imagine if you were not a ploppy who just went to your favorite casinos and played whatever was available at the time while employing inferior strategies. But Instead, you only went to casinos that had progressives that were +EV and played them correctly. You now go from losing money each year to making money each year(assuming you played enough). And yes, there are guys still in Vegas who mainly play +EV progressives that make a living from it.
    Axel let me make it clear. If I'm playing for a $2800 royal I'm going to play FOR THE ROYAL. That means damn the correct strategy.

    While I don't play that $1 sequential progressive at Red Rock I'd probably play it in a way that would make your head spin. If for example I was dealt a straight or a flush with only ONE card in the correct royal flush position I would hold ONLY that single card for a chance at $210,000+. Royals do hit holding only one card and when you're playing for certain jackpots damn the correct strategy.
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    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post

    At $2800 I'd play the progressive. It's almost 3X a normal 25-cents royal. Meanwhile pairs, two pairs, trips, quads, flushes and straight flushes pay the same as 8/5 Bonus. The strategy difference with 6/5 is that you only hold the aces when dealt a full house with three aces (per DANCER) and how many times has that happened to you?
    Thats good that you would play it at $2800 over the 8/5 bonus poker since its +EV at $2800, If you play correctly, that is. I hate/love to say it, but in the videos you posted up you played really bad. It was not even close to the correct strategy. And now you have a diffrent problem with the Royal being up that high. As I said before, I think you would be over aggressive going for the Royal and with your over all bad play I assume you would be playing at -EV.

    Now just imagine if you were not a ploppy who just went to your favorite casinos and played whatever was available at the time while employing inferior strategies. But Instead, you only went to casinos that had progressives that were +EV and played them correctly. You now go from losing money each year to making money each year(assuming you played enough). And yes, there are guys still in Vegas who mainly play +EV progressives that make a living from it.
    Axel let me make it clear. If I'm playing for a $2800 royal I'm going to play FOR THE ROYAL. That means damn the correct strategy.

    While I don't play that $1 sequential progressive at Red Rock I'd probably play it in a way that would make your head spin. If for example I was dealt a straight or a flush with only ONE card in the correct royal flush position I would hold ONLY that single card for a chance at $210,000+. Royals do hit holding only one card and when you're playing for certain jackpots damn the correct strategy.
    You will get better answers from others but this may be the stupidest thing you have ever posted in a storied, even legendary history of moronic posts. It’s exactly why you are broke and stiffing your son. I don’t know where to start but your gambling stupidity would only make sense for someone with unlimited resources they need to burn. See Montgomery Brewster.

    You understand nothing about math and are a degenerate gambler, plain and simple. You would throw away winning hands for a 1/178,000 chance at a regular Royal instead of taking the win and trying for a better shot. I’m sure the odds of getting a sequential Royal with 1 card are 10x that, maybe more.

    I truly believe in a moment of honesty, even Rob would tell you that.
    Last edited by The Boz; 11-07-2018 at 03:21 PM.

  16. #16
    Boz stop your moronic posts.

    I'll spell it out for you slowly.

    The $1 sequential progressive at Red Rock has a 7/5 paytable for Bonus. If I was concerned about the paytable I'd be playing the 8/5 Bonus game that is two feet away from the sequential machines.

    So, if I'm going to play for the sequential then I'm going to make the plays to hit the sequential.

    Now try to think like a real player and stop being an asshole.

  17. #17
    So Alan just said he would not hold 2-card royal draw over a 4-card flush draw on a game with 2.8x RF meter. Then a few posts later he says he’d hold a lone sequential royal card instead of a dealt flush or straight, assuming that card is in the proper position, when the sequential royal is at $210k on $1 denom.

    What is the nicest way to say, “No shit, that’s why you’re broke, dumbass.” ?
    #FreeTyde

  18. #18
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Boz stop your moronic posts.

    I'll spell it out for you slowly.

    The $1 sequential progressive at Red Rock has a 7/5 paytable for Bonus. If I was concerned about the paytable I'd be playing the 8/5 Bonus game that is two feet away from the sequential machines.

    So, if I'm going to play for the sequential then I'm going to make the plays to hit the sequential.

    Now try to think like a real player and stop being an asshole.
    Sorry Alan, you just don’t get it. You can do both, but what you posted about how to play doesn’t make mathematical sense.

    You are talking about gambling and looking for luck compared to making the mathematically correct plays. Even in situations you mentioned.

    Trying not to make insulting posts toward you, but damn you make it so easy.

  19. #19
    Look Boz it's just an "academic discussion" because I haven't played that progressive and I won't play it. I'm not going to play a reduced paytable with a one in two million chance of hitting. Okay?

    But why do you keep bringing up "mathematically correct" plays when discussing this progressive? When playing for a sequential royal your only concern is getting the royal cards in the right position.

    Now shut up about me and my family because you don't know shit about our affairs.

  20. #20
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Now shut up about me and my family because you don't know shit about our affairs.
    Says the guy who opened his closet door in order to expose his skeletons to the forum.
    What, Me Worry?

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