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  1. #21
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Look Boz it's just an "academic discussion" because I haven't played that progressive and I won't play it. I'm not going to play a reduced paytable with a one in two million chance of hitting. Okay?

    But why do you keep bringing up "mathematically correct" plays when discussing this progressive? When playing for a sequential royal your only concern is getting the royal cards in the right position.

    Now shut up about me and my family because you don't know shit about our affairs.
    As RS said, no it’s not. And you’re right, I don’t know shit about your family affairs, only what your son put out there. And based on him saying you are full of shit multiple times, including your claims about him hitting 3 Royals in a weekend and still losing.

    I only take him at his word you screwed him, because to the untrained eye, he seems a hell of a lot more credible.

    Just using basic math...yea I know.

  2. #22
    Let me sum it up this way.

    If you want to play by the mathematically correct way then play 8/5 Bonus or any of the 100%+ video poker games available. At Red Rock I think there are ten machines with 100%+ VP games.

    But if you want to hit the sequential royal, play the sequential royal cards.

    Tell me this Boz and RS: if you are dealt
    10d 7d Qd 3d Ad
    are you "mathematically correct APs" going to hold the dealt flush?

    Tell me that you would and then the world will know what buffoons you really are.

  3. #23
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Let me sum it up this way.

    If you want to play by the mathematically correct way then play 8/5 Bonus or any of the 100%+ video poker games available. At Red Rock I think there are ten machines with 100%+ VP games.

    But if you want to hit the sequential royal, play the sequential royal cards.

    Tell me this Boz and RS: if you are dealt
    10d 7d Qd 3d Ad
    are you "mathematically correct APs" going to hold the dealt flush?

    Tell me that you would and then the world will know what buffoons you really are.
    On a typical Royal you went from 1/178,000 odds with 1 card to an example with 3 cards with 1/1078 odds. Not sure of the sequential odds but I’m sure they are reduced close to same percentage with 3 compared to 1.

    No comparison, but I would love to know why you lose so much with these “100%+” machines at RR.

    Again the more you post, the dumber you look. Perhaps cut your losses at some point.

    Yea, we are the buffoons.

  4. #24
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Let me sum it up this way.

    If you want to play by the mathematically correct way then play 8/5 Bonus or any of the 100%+ video poker games available. At Red Rock I think there are ten machines with 100%+ VP games.

    But if you want to hit the sequential royal, play the sequential royal cards.

    Tell me this Boz and RS: if you are dealt
    10d 7d Qd 3d Ad
    are you "mathematically correct APs" going to hold the dealt flush?

    Tell me that you would and then the world will know what buffoons you really are.
    On a typical Royal you went from 1/178,000 odds with 1 card to an example with 3 cards with 1/1078 odds. Not sure of the sequential odds but I’m sure they are reduced close to same percentage with 3 compared to 1.

    No comparison, but I would love to know why you lose so much with these “100%+” machines at RR.

    Again the more you post, the dumber you look. Perhaps cut your losses at some point.

    Yea, we are the buffoons.
    The royal draw with that huge jackpot for sure. 39.330250 vs 5 all day long.

    Edit: actually it's probably a little lower because the royal cards drawn can come K then J also. Still probably correct to go for the royal here.
    Last edited by jbjb; 11-07-2018 at 06:40 PM.

  5. #25
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post

    At $2800 I'd play the progressive. It's almost 3X a normal 25-cents royal. Meanwhile pairs, two pairs, trips, quads, flushes and straight flushes pay the same as 8/5 Bonus. The strategy difference with 6/5 is that you only hold the aces when dealt a full house with three aces (per DANCER) and how many times has that happened to you?
    Thats good that you would play it at $2800 over the 8/5 bonus poker since its +EV at $2800, If you play correctly, that is. I hate/love to say it, but in the videos you posted up you played really bad. It was not even close to the correct strategy. And now you have a diffrent problem with the Royal being up that high. As I said before, I think you would be over aggressive going for the Royal and with your over all bad play I assume you would be playing at -EV.

    Now just imagine if you were not a ploppy who just went to your favorite casinos and played whatever was available at the time while employing inferior strategies. But Instead, you only went to casinos that had progressives that were +EV and played them correctly. You now go from losing money each year to making money each year(assuming you played enough). And yes, there are guys still in Vegas who mainly play +EV progressives that make a living from it.
    Axel let me make it clear. If I'm playing for a $2800 royal I'm going to play FOR THE ROYAL. That means damn the correct strategy.

    While I don't play that $1 sequential progressive at Red Rock I'd probably play it in a way that would make your head spin. If for example I was dealt a straight or a flush with only ONE card in the correct royal flush position I would hold ONLY that single card for a chance at $210,000+. Royals do hit holding only one card and when you're playing for certain jackpots damn the correct strategy.
    A Tard's gonna Tard. Go ahead with your Tarded self.

  6. #26
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Let me sum it up this way.

    If you want to play by the mathematically correct way then play 8/5 Bonus or any of the 100%+ video poker games available. At Red Rock I think there are ten machines with 100%+ VP games.

    But if you want to hit the sequential royal, play the sequential royal cards.

    Tell me this Boz and RS: if you are dealt
    10d 7d Qd 3d Ad
    are you "mathematically correct APs" going to hold the dealt flush?

    Tell me that you would and then the world will know what buffoons you really are.
    On a typical Royal you went from 1/178,000 odds with 1 card to an example with 3 cards with 1/1078 odds. Not sure of the sequential odds but I’m sure they are reduced close to same percentage with 3 compared to 1.

    No comparison, but I would love to know why you lose so much with these “100%+” machines at RR.

    Again the more you post, the dumber you look. Perhaps cut your losses at some point.

    Yea, we are the buffoons.
    What makes you think I lose so much?

    Actually I play very little VP now and it's limited to my free play which is now $40 a week, and I could not load the free play on the 100%+ machines.

  7. #27
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Actually I play very little VP now and it's limited to my free play which is now $40 a week, and I could not load the free play on the 100%+ machines.
    Really?

    What's your gambling game du jour?"

    the Big Wheel?

    Keno?

    Tell me it's not Three Card Monte!
    What, Me Worry?

  8. #28
    Boz when I mentioned holding one sequential royal card I was trying to make the point that if you're playing a game with a sequential royal with a reduced pay table then you play for that sequential royal. You're already sacrificing on the pay table for the chance of a sequential jackpot so you might as well take your chances on that sequential.

    Again, if the paytable is what matters then you would not play for the sequential.

    I don't play for the sequential.

    I really hope you understand this.

  9. #29
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Actually I play very little VP now and it's limited to my free play which is now $40 a week, and I could not load the free play on the 100%+ machines.
    Really?

    What's your gambling game du jour?"

    the Big Wheel?

    Keno?

    Tell me it's not Three Card Monte!
    Really? Do you have to ask?

    Let's get back to Rob's post about me at Suncoast. The time we spoke I had come back from Suncoast after three of us at the same table rolled the ALL. That followed Red Rock where I rolled the ALL twice in one day. At Sam's Town it was three times with three different shooters in succession.

    Relax V. No one was a DI. It was just luck. So there's no need for you to make your usual trolling comments about DI.

  10. #30
    Alan, It's not just the lower end of the pay table that matters, it's not just Royal that matters, it's not just the correct strategy that matters, its all of it put together that matters.

  11. #31
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Alan, It's not just the lower end of the pay table that matters, it's not just Royal that matters, it's not just the correct strategy that matters, its all of it put together that matters.
    Axel let me try again.

    If you want to play correct strategy then you DO NOT want to play for the sequential royal with its reduced paytable. Period.

    If you're going to play for the sequential royal then you're going to play for that sequential every time a sequential royal card is in the correct position.

    Can you agree to this?

  12. #32
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Alan, It's not just the lower end of the pay table that matters, it's not just Royal that matters, it's not just the correct strategy that matters, its all of it put together that matters.
    Axel let me try again.

    If you want to play correct strategy then you DO NOT want to play for the sequential royal with its reduced paytable. Period.

    If you're going to play for the sequential royal then you're going to play for that sequential every time a sequential royal card is in the correct position.

    Can you agree to this?
    Only if that royal draw is more valuable then any other draw.

    Take your flush example from earlier. If it's just 2 instead of 3, even if in the correct spots, I'm keeping the flush each and every time.

  13. #33
    Jbjb the sequential royal draw is currently worth north of $210,000. Are you still holding the flush?

  14. #34
    Actually alan, I'm sort of glad to see you're back to playing craps again.

    That was your game for many years, at least it was the one you talked about on forums.

    It was only for, what, the past five or ten years (how time flies) that your focus seemed to have shifted to video poker.

    So the circle is unbroken: go home with the one that brung ya.

    *too bad I never see the ATS bet here at the tribal casinos I play at; I'd like to give a try, purely for shits and giggles*
    What, Me Worry?

  15. #35
    V, the ATS bet hits often on one side. That's the true reason the casinos lowered the pays on it a year or so ago.

    Hitting the ALL is very tough, however. But there are times when the ALL can hit four or five times in a shift at one table and then days go by without it hitting once.

  16. #36
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Jbjb the sequential royal draw is currently worth north of $210,000. Are you still holding the flush?
    With 3 cards in the correct spots, yes. If 2 or 1, no. With 4 it's an obvious choice. And yes, I checked these holds with a hand calculator.

  17. #37
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Jbjb the sequential royal draw is currently worth north of $210,000. Are you still holding the flush?
    With 3 cards in the correct spots, yes. If 2 or 1, no. With 4 it's an obvious choice. And yes, I checked these holds with a hand calculator.
    Good. But if I were playing the progressive (and I don't because the odds are just too great) I would hold with even one card on the correct position.

    My point is this: if you're on a game with a sequential royal you should try every time there is the possibility. Otherwise why are you playing?

    And being practical, how many times would a royal card show in the correct position forcing you to sacrifice another winning hand?

    I wouldn't hold just the 10 in these examples because the cost is too great:

    Ts Th Td 9c Tc
    Ts 9s 8s 7s 6s
    Last edited by Alan Mendelson; 11-07-2018 at 08:45 PM.

  18. #38
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Jbjb the sequential royal draw is currently worth north of $210,000. Are you still holding the flush?
    With 3 cards in the correct spots, yes. If 2 or 1, no. With 4 it's an obvious choice. And yes, I checked these holds with a hand calculator.
    Good. But if I were playing the progressive (and I don't because the odds are just too great) I would hold with even one card on the correct position.
    I wouldn't play it either. Too much variance. I would only hold the one card if nothing better to hold. 1 in 4,280,760 shot (someone correct me if this is wrong) hitting the sequential while holding one.

  19. #39
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    While I don't play that $1 sequential progressive at Red Rock I'd probably play it in a way that would make your head spin. If for example I was dealt a straight or a flush with only ONE card in the correct royal flush position I would hold ONLY that single card for a chance at $210,000+. Royals do hit holding only one card and when you're playing for certain jackpots damn the correct strategy.
    The odds of coming up with a royal holding one card is 178,364 to 1. The odds of coming up with a reversible sequential royal holding one card is 2.1 million to 1. Why don't you just go play the lottery?

    Edit: In order to hit a reversible you would have to hold the Queen in the 3rd position. Otherwise its 4.3 million to 1.
    Last edited by mickeycrimm; 11-08-2018 at 02:44 AM.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  20. #40
    I don't play the sequential (reversible) royal games but I'm amazed at how much interest it's generating now. Dealers at Red Rock are allowed to play machines during their breaks and when not working and some of the craps dealers are dropping a few hundred dollars a day trying the sequential.

    By the way Red Rock also has a sequential royal progressive for ONE CENT video poker (five coins of course). I couldn't get a look at the paytable or jackpot. There's no big sign and the four seats are always taken. It's by the buffet.

    I only wish this royal had a progressive attached to it.
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