Sequential Reversible Royal machine ($210k jackpot)

[tableplay]

Let me sum it up this way.

If you want to play by the mathematically correct way then play 8/5 Bonus or any of the 100%+ video poker games available. At Red Rock I think there are ten machines with 100%+ VP games.

But if you want to hit the sequential royal, play the sequential royal cards.

Tell me this Boz and RS: if you are dealt
10d 7d Qd 3d Ad
are you "mathematically correct APs" going to hold the dealt flush?

Tell me that you would and then the world will know what buffoons you really are.

Alan, with 3 cards held (10d Qd Ad), the chance of getting a royal flush (TJQKA,TKQJA) is 1 in 1,081. However only one of these (TJQKA) is good for the Sequential so that the odds of a Sequential from this hold are 1 in 2,162 (2 x 1081). 1/2162 of $210,000 gives an EV of 97.13. Of course (from this 3-card hold), you can also pick up a variety of other non-losing hands such as the non-Sequential royal which has an EV of 1.85 (1/2162 of $4000), high card pairs (240/1081), two pairs (27/1081), three of a kinds (9/1081), straights (15/1081) and other flushes (43/1081 since one of them was thrown away) besides the one that was thrown away. So the EV of the 3-card hold is greater than 97.13. If the flush is held, the EV is 25. So the correct hold is the 3 card hold versus the pat flush.

[RS__]

Jbjb the sequential royal draw is currently worth north of $210,000. Are you still holding the flush?

With 3 cards in the correct spots, yes. If 2 or 1, no. With 4 it's an obvious choice. And yes, I checked these holds with a hand calculator.

Good. But if I were playing the progressive (and I don't because the odds are just too great) I would hold with even one card on the correct position.

My point is this: if you're on a game with a sequential royal you should try every time there is the possibility. Otherwise why are you playing?

And being practical, how many times would a royal card show in the correct position forcing you to sacrifice another winning hand?

I wouldn't hold just the 10 in these examples because the cost is too great:

Ts Th Td 9c Tc
Ts 9s 8s 7s 6s

You said it yourself. You wouldn't <make the wrong hold> because the cost is too great.

[Alan Mendelson]

RS which holds are you referring to?

[RS__]

RS which holds are you referring to?

4oak and SF. You realize holding the T only on those hands is wrong. Why don’t you realize there are other hands like a pat flush where holding a single or two RF cards is also wrong?

[Barney]

This is Barney,

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[Alan Mendelson]

RS which holds are you referring to?

4oak and SF. You realize holding the T only on those hands is wrong. Why don’t you realize there are other hands like a pat flush where holding a single or two RF cards is also wrong?

You still don't understand.

If I made the decision to play a reduced paytable in order to try for the sequential jackpot I'm going to try for that sequential just about every time it presents itself. Otherwise I'd be playing a regular, 8/5 game.

The exceptions are when royal cards are in the correct sequential position but I'd be sacrificing a big payoff on something like quads or a straight flush.

Thanks tableplay for figuring that the three card sequential royal hold is better than a pat flush hold.

[tableplay]

Thanks tableplay for figuring that the three card sequential royal hold is better than a pat flush hold.

No problem. I think some other posters (RS;JBJB) mentioned it before me, but I attempted to quantify it a bit more to give the reader an idea of roughly how much better a hold it is versus the pat flush.

[Alan Mendelson]

Thanks tableplay for figuring that the three card sequential royal hold is better than a pat flush hold.

No problem. I think some other posters (RS;JBJB) mentioned it before me, but I attempted to quantify it a bit more to give the reader an idea of roughly how much better a hold it is versus the pat flush.

I think that they preferred the pat flush? And the Boz? LOL

[jbjb]

Let me sum it up this way.

If you want to play by the mathematically correct way then play 8/5 Bonus or any of the 100%+ video poker games available. At Red Rock I think there are ten machines with 100%+ VP games.

But if you want to hit the sequential royal, play the sequential royal cards.

Tell me this Boz and RS: if you are dealt
10d 7d Qd 3d Ad
are you "mathematically correct APs" going to hold the dealt flush?

Tell me that you would and then the world will know what buffoons you really are.

On a typical Royal you went from 1/178,000 odds with 1 card to an example with 3 cards with 1/1078 odds. Not sure of the sequential odds but I’m sure they are reduced close to same percentage with 3 compared to 1.

No comparison, but I would love to know why you lose so much with these “100%+” machines at RR.

Again the more you post, the dumber you look. Perhaps cut your losses at some point.

Yea, we are the buffoons.

The royal draw with that huge jackpot for sure. 39.330250 vs 5 all day long.

Edit: actually it's probably a little lower because the royal cards drawn can come K then J also. Still probably correct to go for the royal here.

I posted this before TP did. As I said, if the 3 ROY are in correct positions, I'd go for it myself.

[BadBeet]

Full Houses and Flushes are how you survive to live to play for the Royal. More Alan flawed thinking.

2-Pair is worth much more than the flushes or full houses.

[Rob.Singer]

This conversation belongs on WoV and not here. That's where all the armchair theorists claim they'd do this and claim they'd do that. And yet, regardless how high any sequential gets, it makes no sense to seek it out to play for it. You just play whatever machine you want to. If you hit a sequential then great....if it's on a sequential royal machine then it's even greater.

I posted a picture of one I hit on a $2 machine at SP the evening I hit 3 royals along with four A's w/kicker all on the same $2 machine within about 2 hours (uh-oh....the jealous haters, well, HATE this ) but there was no bonus. I hit a 50c sequential royal on a sequential machine this year, and I just happened upon that machine looking for BP.

So please stop with all the theory. It's EXTREMELY rare that someone hits them who tries to.

[BadBeet]

This conversation belongs on WoV and not here. That's where all the armchair theorists claim they'd do this and claim they'd do that. And yet, regardless how high any sequential gets, it makes no sense to seek it out to play for it. You just play whatever machine you want to. If you hit a sequential then great....if it's on a sequential royal machine then it's even greater.

I posted a picture of one I hit on a $2 machine at SP the evening I hit 3 royals along with four A's w/kicker all on the same $2 machine within about 2 hours (uh-oh....the jealous haters, well, HATE this ) but there was no bonus. I hit a 50c sequential royal on a sequential machine this year, and I just happened upon that machine looking for BP.

So please stop with all the theory. It's EXTREMELY rare that someone hits them who tries to.

But don't you just leave if you hit a royal? How would a 2nd or 3rd ever hit? Or was this before you developed your system?

[mickeycrimm]

This conversation belongs on WoV and not here. That's where all the armchair theorists claim they'd do this and claim they'd do that. And yet, regardless how high any sequential gets, it makes no sense to seek it out to play for it. You just play whatever machine you want to. If you hit a sequential then great....if it's on a sequential royal machine then it's even greater.

I posted a picture of one I hit on a $2 machine at SP the evening I hit 3 royals along with four A's w/kicker all on the same $2 machine within about 2 hours (uh-oh....the jealous haters, well, HATE this ) but there was no bonus. I hit a 50c sequential royal on a sequential machine this year, and I just happened upon that machine looking for BP.

So please stop with all the theory. It's EXTREMELY rare that someone hits them who tries to.

What's all this making claims without putting up any proof? What's up with that? Do you think you are special here? You don't have to put up any proof but you demand that everyone else does? Get the fuck out.

And talking gambling theory on a gambling forum offends you? Well I guess it does since you don't have any knowledge of it. Can't really add to the conversation, can you?

[redietz]

This conversation belongs on WoV and not here. That's where all the armchair theorists claim they'd do this and claim they'd do that. And yet, regardless how high any sequential gets, it makes no sense to seek it out to play for it. You just play whatever machine you want to. If you hit a sequential then great....if it's on a sequential royal machine then it's even greater.

I posted a picture of one I hit on a $2 machine at SP the evening I hit 3 royals along with four A's w/kicker all on the same $2 machine within about 2 hours (uh-oh....the jealous haters, well, HATE this ) but there was no bonus. I hit a 50c sequential royal on a sequential machine this year, and I just happened upon that machine looking for BP.

So please stop with all the theory. It's EXTREMELY rare that someone hits them who tries to.

But don't you just leave if you hit a royal? How would a 2nd or 3rd ever hit? Or was this before you developed your system?

Uh oh. Another apparent set of contradictions, all because of braggadocio.

Let me guess:

1) These occurred after Rob retired, when he wasn't formally playing his systems any longer. LOL.
2) One may then be prompted to ask, "Well, then, could you have been doing this kind of winning all along with no systems?"
3) The answer is no. When you retire, probability knows this and your luck changes. See, makes perfect sense.

Or:

4) Rob played multiple sessions in one day. "How is this even possible?" one may ask.
5) One leaves the casino(s) and yells tag to the pavement outside. The tagging of the pavement serves as a re-set.

Or:

6) Rob travels in a tardis, and is able to visit different historical times in one day, therefore creating the opportunity for multi-sessions and more luck in one day than mortal men can achieve. They call him "The Doctor," not because he doctors stats and stories, but because he's an alien who telepathically communicates with machines.



Braggadocio can certainly require strange narratives. Lesson learned.

P.S. I'm sure Mr. Mendelson has a fine backup explanation for this set of contradictions. Should be fun to hear it.

[Alan Mendelson]

Redietz I have no explanations. As I've said many times I do not know Rob's system therefore I don't play using his system.

[tableplay]

3) The answer is no. When you retire, probability knows this and your luck changes. See, makes perfect sense.

Just as Probability knows what side of the wager the player is on and makes the player lose in the long term even if every bet by the player is with an edge (if the player were smart, they would embroider the word "Casino Staff" in fancy cursive lettering on all of their shirts that they wear to the casino to make Probability think that they are the casino) . Or at least that is the belief that is required for someone to think that an AP can't win long term.

[redietz]

3) The answer is no. When you retire, probability knows this and your luck changes. See, makes perfect sense.

Just as Probability knows what side of the wager the player is on and makes the player lose in the long term even if every bet by the player is with an edge (if the player were smart, they would embroider the word "Casino Staff" in fancy cursive lettering on all of their shirts that they wear to the casino to make Probability think that they are the casino) . Or at least that is the belief that is required for someone to think that an AP can't win long term.

Brilliant idea, tableplay. I know what I'm getting myself for Christmas! Maybe also a little ID pin, "Singer trainee."

That was a really good idea. I'm going to do it. Great video opportunity. Between this and trying to get trespassed at MGM, it should be fun. I have an old Castaways sweater from back when they were the Supercontest (they gave one to all entrants). That would work, too, to confuse Probability. It would also tie in with time traveling in a tardis to use Singer systems. I think we are onto something.

If anyone has any further ideas that would make for interesting videos, let me know.

[Moses]

If anyone has any further ideas that would make for interesting videos, let me know.

How about a Battle Royal? Like the WWF. I could come on and say turtles are slow and rabbits are fast. Alan could say he doesn't understand. Then a small group of handles could pretend to beat the crap out of him for not understanding. Then KJ could say he has a million turtles and rabbits but lost 29,000 of them last week. Then we pretty much throw around homo slurs until someone starts another topic. Then repeat.

O wait. That's already been done. Never mind.

Mickey could show a collection of photos from his travels. Singer comes rambling in with a mask and a cape. Rips the pictures to pieces. The interviewer acts shocked and appalled. Break for a commercial.

Bill Fung could give a 5 minute dissertation about his therories on gambling, religion, life, and outer space. Just make sure there is no sound and the picture is black.

[tableplay]

3) The answer is no. When you retire, probability knows this and your luck changes. See, makes perfect sense.

Just as Probability knows what side of the wager the player is on and makes the player lose in the long term even if every bet by the player is with an edge (if the player were smart, they would embroider the word "Casino Staff" in fancy cursive lettering on all of their shirts that they wear to the casino to make Probability think that they are the casino) . Or at least that is the belief that is required for someone to think that an AP can't win long term.

Brilliant idea, tableplay. I know what I'm getting myself for Christmas! Maybe also a little ID pin, "Singer trainee."

That was a really good idea. I'm going to do it. Great video opportunity. Between this and trying to get trespassed at MGM, it should be fun. I have an old Castaways sweater from back when they were the Supercontest (they gave one to all entrants). That would work, too, to confuse Probability. It would also tie in with time traveling in a tardis to use Singer systems. I think we are onto something.

If anyone has any further ideas that would make for interesting videos, let me know.

Cheers M8. With the Castaways sweater on, prepare for big wins no matter what you bet on (Megabucks FTW !!) This reminds me of the time several years ago when I went around Santana Row (ultra upscale outdoor mall in San Jose, California at the corner of Winchester Blvd and Stevens Creek), with an empty, lableless shopping cart and torn up shirt, pants and holes in shoes to see how long it would be before I got kicked out for doing nothing wrong (25 minutes).

[Bill Yung]

Bill Fung could give a 5 minute dissertation about his therories on gambling, religion, life, and outer space. Just make sure there is no sound and the picture is black.

Hey, I'm working on a couple of simple number sequences that may be one, but, most likely, are two. Sort of the checkmate confirmation of my theory of everything. Never been this far with it, before. Of course, many of these numbers might be only a coincidence, but that's all part of the game.

It was slow going with only wisps of hints to work with, but I'm seeing more of it now. Actually, it's best to not entirely know what you are doing when you don't know where it will lead you, although you will know it when you see it.

That's the thing, it takes only one person to pursue the real truth, but many to perpetuate the common lies.

Mickey and KJ have "no life" because as soon as they leave the forums, their "work", what little meaning it has, vanishes forever. They have to always be here to perpetuate those lies, to keep those "alive". The same is true of the scammers. Once they are gone, then so, too, are their lies. They have no real interest(s) in life to sustain them in their search for the truth.

Gambling should be thought about, but not physically pursued. In a way, the "equivalent" to theorizing about a theory of everything. In one way, it's possible to get something out of not knowing what you are doing.