Paganettis Bans Dancer from Machine Play in Henderson

[Alan Mendelson]

Yes there are 50 line $5/coin IGT games. I've seen them played --- but not by me. Last time I looked at one, someone had played ten lines and was dealt quad 3s on DDB. No kickers on the draws.

[Dan Druff]

I may actually have a first-ever complaint to the NGCB soon, but I can't discuss it right now, because I am still in the process of negotiating with the casino involved, and don't want to turn it into a public spectacle. I will share the entire story if I do end up taking this to the NGCB.

While I agree that it would be fair to award Dancer the theoretical cash value of the $2400 in freeplay on the same machines he played to earn it, I don't believe Nevada state law supports such an award.

The NGCB definitely would not force a casino to let a player run his earned freeplay after being banned, nor would they force a casino to transfer freeplay to a non-banned player (in fact, I believe the latter is illegal).

Could they force the casino to award a reasonable cash value for the earned freeplay? Yes, but in this case the freeplay already has an established cash value, and Dancer himself admits that he was aware of that value, and in fact was planning to cash it out once he hit Chairman level, erroneously believing that it would allow him to cash it out at a 1:1 ratio. It turns out that Dancer was given incorrect information, and the value is only 50%. But Dancer can't prove he was given the false information (even though I believe he's telling the truth), and the NGCB will probably tell him that he can cash it out the same way any non-banned patron could.

Now, if the caisno assigned some ridiculously low cash value to the points, such as 5%, then Dancer would have a case that they were providing a cash option that no sane person would ever take. However, 50% is a common enough cash value figure to where the NGCB will probably tell him to simply cash it out at the going rate, and be done.

I am interested to read how this story ends.

I'm actually rooting for Dancer here, and I admit I would also be pissed off if I were in his shoes.

However, I don't see him winning this one.

As I said, he would have a much stronger complaint if the casino simply confiscated the points and banned him, as they would be taking something he earned through past play.

[pepe]

Dancer got taken to the cleaners by the wife who hit "his" $400k royal for him, and he will never be able to retire where most people his age have done so for years. So if you can read between the lines, he's definitely a struggling, habitual gambler. $1200 may not seem a lot about some guy who talks big all the time, but if you connect the dots you can easily decipher why he does it.

That's just a general advice not to trust thots.

Remember, if she breathes, she a thot.

2D women will never pull this on you. 2D >>>> 3DPD

[Dan Druff]

There is one other interesting element to the Dancer article.

He talked about "getting something on the way out the door", referring to a casino kicking you out and clearly refusing to alter their decision.

I believe this is the correct approach to take.

If you want to maintain a good relationship with a casino, it's better to negotiate with them and attempt to solve your issues internally, rather than to run and report them to gaming. This is especially true if you are APing at the casino, and want to return there for future opportunities. It's also true if the casino is somewhere you want to continue visiting, such as a major property where friends often hang out.

However, if you are irreparably banned, then yes, it doesn't hurt to go for whatever you can, if you feel like the casino screwed you in some way.

So Dancer is basically saying, "I don't typically go to the NGCB because I don't want to make my relationships worse with casinos, but if I can't go back to the casino, then I'm much more willing to do so."

I have to agree that's a good approach.

[Rob.Singer]

Amazing that more people don't see this. Dancer typically uses these two-part/drawn out articles to get others to comment before he makes up the rest of the story, as favorably sounding as possible, of course.

He wants this whole episode to sound like he REALLY got screwed when in reality, the total true facts will never be told to anyone in an article or in a forum. He already knows the collection of idol-worshipping "AP's" like mickey will be on his side regardless of how many holes he produces. The rest of us are far smarter than that. That's the part he doesn't like.

[mickeycrimm]

$2400 of free play strikes me as a small amount of money for Bob Dancer. Is this the same Bob Dancer who plays fifty play $5 video poker (50 X $25 per play) to win cars?

Dancer would raid the refrigerators at the VIP check in and call it an advantage play, so I can see him arguing over $1200 or $12 for that matter.

Remember (if the idol-lovers here choose to)....Dancer got taken to the cleaners by the wife who hit "his" $400k royal for him, and he will never be able to retire where most people his age have done so for years. So if you can read between the lines, he's definitely a struggling, habitual gambler. $1200 may not seem a lot about some guy who talks big all the time, but if you connect the dots you can easily decipher why he does it.

Yes, she hit the 400K royal....while playing on his money. And you got the boot off of vpFREE for gratuitously harassing him about his divorce. Why did you do that? Why are other people's private life's so important to you? You should stick to cleaning up your own backyard.

[mickeycrimm]

$2400 of free play strikes me as a small amount of money for Bob Dancer. Is this the same Bob Dancer who plays fifty play $5 video poker (50 X $25 per play) to win cars?

Dancer would raid the refrigerators at the VIP check in and call it an advantage play, so I can see him arguing over $1200 or $12 for that matter.

Remember (if the idol-lovers here choose to)....Dancer got taken to the cleaners by the wife who hit "his" $400k royal for him, and he will never be able to retire where most people his age have done so for years. So if you can read between the lines, he's definitely a struggling, habitual gambler. $1200 may not seem a lot about some guy who talks big all the time, but if you connect the dots you can easily decipher why he does it.

Yep, a struggling habitual gambler that's still betting $100 a hand. That's a real struggle alright. I wish I was as broke as he is.

[mickeycrimm]

Yes there are 50 line $5/coin IGT games. I've seen them played --- but not by me. Last time I looked at one, someone had played ten lines and was dealt quad 3s on DDB. No kickers on the draws.

That would be a 100K handpay. Why was the hand left on the screen? And no kickers on fifty draws?

Edit: Okay, so the person only bet ten lines. Thanks to the person that pointed this out to me.

[mickeycrimm]

Amazing that more people don't see this. Dancer typically uses these two-part/drawn out articles to get others to comment before he makes up the rest of the story, as favorably sounding as possible, of course.

He wants this whole episode to sound like he REALLY got screwed when in reality, the total true facts will never be told to anyone in an article or in a forum. He already knows the collection of idol-worshipping "AP's" like mickey will be on his side regardless of how many holes he produces. The rest of us are far smarter than that. That's the part he doesn't like.

I'm just a neutral observer. Your problem is you are not a neutral observer. You have a clear bias on all things Bob Dancer. You loathe him because of your envy of him. Your contempt of him is all based in your jealousy.

[mickeycrimm]

Is this another case of the greedy casinos putting on a promotion to get the easily won AP money in the door? I read Part 1 of his Gaming dispute with Pepp. The world grows smaller once again on Bob. He lost Mlife years ago. He's lost Boyd and Stations. Dotty's is no longer exploitable. I explained not long ago that Pepp doesn't trespass you. They just pull your card benefits and Bob confirmed it in this article.

https://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/gamb...gaming-part-i/

Part II

https://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/gamb...ng-part-ii-ii/

[The Boz]

I think in this case Gaming made the correct decision based on the details of the complaint and the club rules. Obviously how Bob ended up at this point is a totally different story.

[Dan Druff]

Gaming made the correct decision based upon current regulations.

I feel those regulations should be changed though. Just because a casino deems $2400 worth of points to be worth $1200 in cash doesn't mean that the $1200 is true value.

I was alarmed that Dancer flat out lied to the NGCB and claimed he was a "beginner" and not an advantage player. I think they realized he was an AP, and this just made him look dishonest. He could have admitted to something closer to the truth without directly saying he's an AP, such as something like, "I'm not really an advantage player, but I'm experienced enough to know how this sort of thing works." Calling himself a "beginner" was an insult to the agent's intelligence.

I'm also surprised that Dancer honestly believed that it was possible to transfer his freeplay to a third party. Zero point zero chance that would ever be allowed, either by the casino or by Gaming.

[mickeycrimm]

Gaming made the correct decision based upon current regulations.

I feel those regulations should be changed though. Just because a casino deems $2400 worth of points to be worth $1200 in cash doesn't mean that the $1200 is true value.

I was alarmed that Dancer flat out lied to the NGCB and claimed he was a "beginner" and not an advantage player. I think they realized he was an AP, and this just made him look dishonest. He could have admitted to something closer to the truth without directly saying he's an AP, such as something like, "I'm not really an advantage player, but I'm experienced enough to know how this sort of thing works." Calling himself a "beginner" was an insult to the agent's intelligence.

I'm also surprised that Dancer honestly believed that it was possible to transfer his freeplay to a third party. Zero point zero chance that would ever be allowed, either by the casino or by Gaming.

Dan, according to what he wrote he didn't say he was a beginner. He said "So I said I wasn't a beginner and let the matter drop."

[mickeycrimm]

And it looks like Pepp is now banning players off their properties instead of just pulling cards like they used to do. Except, I remember a case about ten years ago at the Pepp/Reno. There was a quarter Bonus Poker progressive bank where the meters weren't resetting. They just kept going up. It was a five-meter progressive. The Pepp had issued some W2-G's on 4 Aces before they snapped to it. LOL! They 86'd some players over that one. I wouldn't have used a card.