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[jbjb]

Question for the APs: why do people lose playing on +EV video poker machines?

(I'm really not looking for an answer. Just pointing out that people do lose with that +EV you all worship.)

The same reasons civilian win on roulette....variance.

Brings me back to my challenge for you -EV players to quit any jobs and play these games full time. You'll all go broke!

[mickeycrimm]

Question for the APs: why do people lose playing on +EV video poker machines?

(I'm really not looking for an answer. Just pointing out that people do lose with that +EV you all worship.)

The money is thrown back and forth in the sessions but if you are holding an edge then in the long run a little more gets thrown to you than the house. Contrary to what Rob says all the short terms add up to the long term.

[Rob.Singer]

Question for the APs: why do people lose playing on +EV video poker machines?

(I'm really not looking for an answer. Just pointing out that people do lose with that +EV you all worship.)

The same reasons civilian win on roulette....variance.

Brings me back to my challenge for you -EV players to quit any jobs and play these games full time. You'll all go broke!

I did that for ten years and made more than $90k/year profit, you know that, but you choose not to believe it. So why do you keep on bringing your "challenge" up as if it has any real meaning to it?

[kewlJ]

And what you're doing is making the same critical mistake all AP's make: applying long term rules to short term play. That is, by definition, just plain dumb.

You have it completely ass backwards as usual, Harry. YOU are applying short term "logic" to a longterm situation. In the short term or short run, whether a session, a day or whatever, anything can and will occur. This is why -EV players or ploppies sometimes win short-term. This is why the likes of Alan is able to register some wins short-term and it is why YOU can win short-term. As a matter of fact, you haven't given us anything to distinguish you and your play from Alan or any other ploppie or -EV player.

BUT as you get past the extreme short term, luck runs out and the math takes over. I hate to keep quoting Dan, but you leave me no choice..."the luck will flatten out".

Getting back to Rob and video poker.
While numbers like "99% return" and "101% return" sound insignificant, they're actually not.
After a relatively small number of hands, the luck will flatten out. You can't play an extended period of time at 99% return and win, and you can't play an extended period of time at 101% (provided you're playing correctly).

And one other fact that you just can't seem to grasp. You cannot take a very small sample size in which variance rules, and assume that many of these equals long-term. It doesn't work that way. Again, as you get into the longterm the math takes over and the luck (or variance) "flattens out". You cannot change the mathematics simply by willing it to be so.


Now one other thing....your stop limit thing is just nonsense. Stopping while ahead or reaching some 'goal' changes nothing, as far as what is going to happen next. What is going to happen next is determined by mathematics and stopping play doesn't change that. It will still happen next, whether your next hand or round is in 30 second or next week or next month. Some artificial stop limit isn't going to change that. I mean like Dan said, the exception would be if you stop and never play again, otherwise you are changing nothing.

I am sorry you can't grasp these simple and proven mathematical concepts, but I don't think we should have to keep going over and over it because you either can't grasp it, or refuse to grasp it.

[kewlJ]

I did that for ten years and made more than $90k/year profit

NO! You Didn't! What you are claiming is mathematically impossible. Mathematically impossible....no different than someone claiming 18 y.o.'s in a row. It didn't happen. Mathematically impossible! Let's hear what Dan has to say on the subject.

Rob, you realize that what you're claiming is virtually impossible, right?

[RS__]

Question for the APs: why do people lose playing on +EV video poker machines?

(I'm really not looking for an answer. Just pointing out that people do lose with that +EV you all worship.)

Looking at my results at the end of each year over the past few years, I’ve made money every year in VP (and other stuff like sports, table games, etc.).

I’ve never had a “huge” win that would be a big factor of being up for the year (EG: not like I’ve hit for $200k RF then ended the year up $100k or $150k, or anything like that).

So I’m not entirely sure what you mean by people losing on +EV machines. I don’t have experience with that and the APs that I know, don’t have experience with that, either.

[Rob.Singer]

I did that for ten years and made more than $90k/year profit

NO! You Didn't! What you are claiming is mathematically impossible. Mathematically impossible....no different than someone claiming 18 y.o.'s in a row. It didn't happen. Mathematically impossible! Let's hear what Dan has to say on the subject.

Rob, you realize that what you're claiming is virtually impossible, right?

I accept your claim of ignorance kew. Just as always, you nor anyone else ever responds to how you believe a session win is easy using my strategy is with a 5%-of-bankroll and structured increas/decrease in denomination and game-volatility rules, yet the mathematical probability of winning any other session somehow changes. It is clearly something that none of you geniuses choose to address, because you can't.

I've been pulling AP-teeth for years on explaining how they get out of this predicament they always talk themselves into, yet here you go again---claiming you can only win playing +EV over time, and you can only lose playing -EV over time. You're simply afraid to say it aren't you, perhaps because it'll make your own claims appropriately bogus. YOU BELIEVE IN WINS AND LOSSES BEING DUE. Go ahead say it! And stop with the Dan quotes. He's just as mathematically incompetent about videopoker as you are.

[MaxPen]

I did that for ten years and made more than $90k/year profit, you know that, but you choose not to believe it. So why do you keep on bringing your "challenge" up as if it has any real meaning to it?

Mickey, you better find a pic with a longer nose. Robbochio has gone off the rails with this Whopper. Maybe too much BurgerKing.

[Rob.Singer]

I don't eat Burger King. Only slobs do.

[Moses]

I don't eat Burger King. Only slobs do.

That HURT! lol

[jbjb]

I did that for ten years and made more than $90k/year profit

NO! You Didn't! What you are claiming is mathematically impossible. Mathematically impossible....no different than someone claiming 18 y.o.'s in a row. It didn't happen. Mathematically impossible! Let's hear what Dan has to say on the subject.

Rob, you realize that what you're claiming is virtually impossible, right?

Exactly!

[MaxPen]

I don't eat Burger King. Only slobs do.

I actually believe that. I think they got rid of their $1 menu.
Also, I thought I saw your mobile hellhole in the Jack in the Box parking lot.

[Alan Mendelson]

Rob could easily end this discussion by showing even one year's tax returns. While it might show zero net income because of deductions the Schedule C would show the net wins.

Question for Rob: why won't you post just one?

Wait, I'll answer for you: everyone will say it's a faked Schedule C.

Next question: Why not get a copy direct from the IRS? Answer: because it's too late to do that; too many years have passed.

Bottom line: this will never end.

[Rob.Singer]

And when I challenge these guys on my playing ten entire session in front of them and that I'll win at least 8 of them and $25k net minimum, they scatter, they hide, and/or the tune changes to "but gee Rob, ten sessions is nowhere near the long-term so you're offering up a sucker bet....plus no way we want our true identities known"....(I wonder why...)

So it will never end.

[tableplay]

yet here you go again---claiming you can only win playing +EV over time, and you can only lose playing -EV over time.

Then how the fuck do casinos make money if their +EV wagers don't win over time ?

[RS__]

Rob could easily end this discussion by showing even one year's tax returns. While it might show zero net income because of deductions the Schedule C would show the net wins.

Question for Rob: why won't you post just one?

Wait, I'll answer for you: everyone will say it's a faked Schedule C.

Next question: Why not get a copy direct from the IRS? Answer: because it's too late to do that; too many years have passed.

Bottom line: this will never end.

Who was it, arci who got a direct copy sent to you from the IRS and Singer never sent his in? Refresh my memory if you remember, because TBH my memory isn't crystal clear on how all that went down. But I do remember after that, Rob bragging about how he baited someone into wasting their time by sending a sched. C to you. Numerous times Rob has stated something along the lines of how he enjoys trolling online and also his constant posts about how he enjoys "getting under people's skin".

Stop deluding yourself into believing Rob. It'd be at least one thing if he was professional, laid out the strategy and math concisely, and all that kind of stuff. On one hand you believe Rob but on the other hand you don't follow his strategy....seems kinda weird to me. But if I knew of a fool-proof system like what his supposedly is, I'd have so much f***ing money I wouldn't know what to do with it all. I certainly wouldn't be jonesing at 2:45am waiting at Red Rock for my $50 freeplay to load up in 15 minutes like you'll probably be doing about 6 hours from now.

[Alan Mendelson]

Question for the APs: why do people lose playing on +EV video poker machines?

(I'm really not looking for an answer. Just pointing out that people do lose with that +EV you all worship.)

The same reasons civilian win on roulette....variance.

Brings me back to my challenge for you -EV players to quit any jobs and play these games full time. You'll all go broke!

I wonder just what wonderful standard of living full time gamblers have? Even with your +EV?

[Alan Mendelson]

RS arci did not file a Schedule C. He also UNDER REPORTED his gambling income. He posted his explanation for that on the forum.

You are correct that Rob did not send any proof. I cannot tell you if his claims are correct or not because I don't know. I've said that forever and ever on this forum so do not troll me on this subject.

I DO NOT KNOW WHAT ROB'S VIDEO POKER INCOME WAS.

All I've said, and I stand by it, is that it's very possible Rob won $100,000 per year playing high limit video poker. And I'll say it again: people can and do win playing -EV games.

And I'll say this again too: in the two years I played $25/coin VP and hit the $100,000 royals I also HAD A PROFIT at video poker but I lost money at craps.

I believe Rob also had profits. He certainly had years of reporting profits in Gaming Today newspaper which didnt come into question until the "elite AP gang" attacked him on forums.

[Dan Druff]

Here is the Rob Singer challenge: https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...-25k-challenge

It's a trick where Rob wants you to bet against him having "winning sessions", where the catch is that he can keep doing a Martingale betting progression to where there is a high chance he will come out a small amount ahead (and a small chance he will come out way behind).

By getting people to bet against him being able to "come out ahead", and the bet being as large as $25k, that makes the normally -EV Martingale strategy into something +EV (due to the $25k boost for successfully Martingale-ing).

When people refuse this trick bet, Rob insists it's because they're scared of betting against his winning strategy.

I offered instead to cross-book a video poker session of his, where I win or lose what he casino wins or loses, and he refused. That would be the fair way to do it, but he won't because he knows that wouldn't give him an edge.

[Alan Mendelson]

Dan it's not a trick because that's his system. It's also not a martingale. Now, if you want to say that Rob's method of using a big bankroll won't give him a relatively small profit than take his bet. But you've played enough video poker yourself to know that a big win at a high denomination will wipe out losses at lower denominations. THAT IS HIS SYSTEM.