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  1. #1
    While walking thru the casino there's a big commotion at a row of video poker games. A player is all upset screaming "I made a mistake!"

    The way the player tells it:

    He was dealt various cards including Jd and 10d and three unsuited small cards. He only held the Jack of diamonds.

    After the draw he got a straight with these cards reading left to right on the screen:

    Jd Ad 10c Kd Qd

    He thinks if he held the 10d he would have had a royal. But others were telling him that if he held the 10d the Qd or the Ad would not have been drawn.

    What's the answer?

  2. #2
    If he held the 10d he COULD have had the royal. No one knows for sure.

  3. #3
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    If he held the 10d he COULD have had the royal. No one knows for sure.
    If he held the 10d one card would not have been drawn. Was it the ace or the queen that is drawn last?

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    Unless the Tc was drawn last, he wouldn't have gotten the royal if he held the Td.

    And that whole thing is assuming that the deck isn't constantly shuffling until the button press. If it is, the time he took to hold the Td would have changed the order of cards anyway.
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  5. #5
    I saw the cards on the screen. The middle card was the 10c. I think the last card drawn was the Qd.

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    I've wondered about this a lot of times. Several times when I chose NOT to hold the ten, sure enough here comes the other four. Could this be akin to a scare? Would it have been in a different order in the draw.

  7. #7
    Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Unless the Tc was drawn last, he wouldn't have gotten the royal if he held the Td.

    And that whole thing is assuming that the deck isn't constantly shuffling until the button press. If it is, the time he took to hold the Td would have changed the order of cards anyway.
    I’ve always assumed the deck is “up in the air” or constantly shuffling, not with the cards in queue. Which one is it? Does anyone know for sure?

  8. #8
    The deck is constantly shuffling, the cards are not in queue.

  9. #9
    Originally Posted by dannyj View Post
    Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Unless the Tc was drawn last, he wouldn't have gotten the royal if he held the Td.

    And that whole thing is assuming that the deck isn't constantly shuffling until the button press. If it is, the time he took to hold the Td would have changed the order of cards anyway.
    I’ve always assumed the deck is “up in the air” or constantly shuffling, not with the cards in queue. Which one is it? Does anyone know for sure?
    I think the issue is both how are the cards chosen and in what order are the chosen cards displayed.

    Remember he held only the Jack and the J appears on the screen on the far left.

    The card to the right of the jack is the ace. My guess is the ace was chosen by the RNG first. Since the Q is on the far right my guess is the Q was chosen last.

    Or, was the Q chosen first and the cards chosen by the RNG were displayed Right to Left?

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    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    While walking thru the casino there's a big commotion at a row of video poker games. A player is all upset screaming "I made a mistake!"

    The way the player tells it:

    He was dealt various cards including Jd and 10d and three unsuited small cards. He only held the Jack of diamonds.

    After the draw he got a straight with these cards reading left to right on the screen:

    Jd Ad 10c Kd Qd

    He thinks if he held the 10d he would have had a royal. But others were telling him that if he held the 10d the Qd or the Ad would not have been drawn.

    What's the answer?
    Based on what IGT has said, while he is making the hold the remaining 47 cards are shuffling. Once he hits the draw button the deck stops shuffling. The first card off the top of the deck is dealt to the first open position. The 2nd card off the top is dealt to the next available position, etc. Since he held the Jd in first position the first card off the top was the Ad, the 2nd card off the top was the 10c. So he wouldn't have made the royal.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

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    That's what I thought mickeycrimm. He was crying over nothing. His error made no difference on the royal but it did get him a straight.

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    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    That's what I thought mickeycrimm. He was crying over nothing. His error made no difference on the royal but it did get him a straight.
    Had he held the 10d, he would had a pair of 10 s only.

  13. #13
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    While walking thru the casino there's a big commotion at a row of video poker games. A player is all upset screaming "I made a mistake!"

    The way the player tells it:

    He was dealt various cards including Jd and 10d and three unsuited small cards. He only held the Jack of diamonds.

    After the draw he got a straight with these cards reading left to right on the screen:

    Jd Ad 10c Kd Qd

    He thinks if he held the 10d he would have had a royal. But others were telling him that if he held the 10d the Qd or the Ad would not have been drawn.

    What's the answer?
    Based on what IGT has said, while he is making the hold the remaining 47 cards are shuffling. Once he hits the draw button the deck stops shuffling. The first card off the top of the deck is dealt to the first open position. The 2nd card off the top is dealt to the next available position, etc. Since he held the Jd in first position the first card off the top was the Ad, the 2nd card off the top was the 10c. So he wouldn't have made the royal.
    That's incorrect information. If you knew how computers operate you'd agree with me. I've even seen this info explained on this forum by others before. jbjb I believe.

    If he had taken 1/1000th of a second or more longer or shorter to hit the draw button because of his hold, a completely different set of cards would have come out on the draw. The words "continuously shuffling" are the key words here. That is the reality. What you explained was if he had theoretically held his cards in the second instance in the precise same time as he held them in the first instance.

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    The player would have to hit the draw button at the exact same nanosecond to get the same cards. Now, it is also possible, to get those same cards hitting it at a different time as well. Just as you can shuffle and wash a deck thoroughly, and still deal the same cards as you did on a previous hand. Case in point would be getting the exact same two hole cards in holdem using two separate decks.

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    Originally Posted by jpfromla View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    That's what I thought mickeycrimm. He was crying over nothing. His error made no difference on the royal but it did get him a straight.
    Had he held the 10d, he would had a pair of 10 s only.
    A pair of tens is not a paying hand.

  16. #16
    I think we all understand that with continuous shuffle the exact moment of hitting the button determines all. But the question is would he have had the royal or not IF NOTHING INVOLVING THE TIMING changed. I agree with mickeycrimm.

  17. #17
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    While walking thru the casino there's a big commotion at a row of video poker games. A player is all upset screaming "I made a mistake!"

    The way the player tells it:

    He was dealt various cards including Jd and 10d and three unsuited small cards. He only held the Jack of diamonds.

    After the draw he got a straight with these cards reading left to right on the screen:

    Jd Ad 10c Kd Qd

    He thinks if he held the 10d he would have had a royal. But others were telling him that if he held the 10d the Qd or the Ad would not have been drawn.

    What's the answer?
    Based on what IGT has said, while he is making the hold the remaining 47 cards are shuffling. Once he hits the draw button the deck stops shuffling. The first card off the top of the deck is dealt to the first open position. The 2nd card off the top is dealt to the next available position, etc. Since he held the Jd in first position the first card off the top was the Ad, the 2nd card off the top was the 10c. So he wouldn't have made the royal.
    That's incorrect information. If you knew how computers operate you'd agree with me. I've even seen this info explained on this forum by others before. jbjb I believe.

    If he had taken 1/1000th of a second or more longer or shorter to hit the draw button because of his hold, a completely different set of cards would have come out on the draw. The words "continuously shuffling" are the key words here. That is the reality. What you explained was if he had theoretically held his cards in the second instance in the precise same time as he held them in the first instance.
    I've been aware of that since IGT changed the procedure for dealing cards.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  18. #18
    This is an old worn out subject but I want to put in my two cents. my favorite game is Multi Strike and those machines (at least the older/original ones) did deal ten cards off the top of the deck. I like the idea of having one draw card under each dealt card. It made the game more interesting to me.
    Take off that stupid mask you big baby.

  19. #19
    Is that how they worked though? Or just visual? I vaguely remember reading some stuff on how some old machines treated the draw cards like “shark teeth”, where the discards are replaced by draw cards. For instance:

    ABCDE <- deal
    ZYXWV <- potential draw cards

    You hold A__DE and end up with AYXDE
    #FreeTyde

  20. #20
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    While walking thru the casino there's a big commotion at a row of video poker games. A player is all upset screaming "I made a mistake!"

    The way the player tells it:

    He was dealt various cards including Jd and 10d and three unsuited small cards. He only held the Jack of diamonds.

    After the draw he got a straight with these cards reading left to right on the screen:

    Jd Ad 10c Kd Qd

    He thinks if he held the 10d he would have had a royal. But others were telling him that if he held the 10d the Qd or the Ad would not have been drawn.

    What's the answer?
    Based on what IGT has said, while he is making the hold the remaining 47 cards are shuffling. Once he hits the draw button the deck stops shuffling. The first card off the top of the deck is dealt to the first open position. The 2nd card off the top is dealt to the next available position, etc. Since he held the Jd in first position the first card off the top was the Ad, the 2nd card off the top was the 10c. So he wouldn't have made the royal.
    That's incorrect information. If you knew how computers operate you'd agree with me. I've even seen this info explained on this forum by others before. jbjb I believe.

    If he had taken 1/1000th of a second or more longer or shorter to hit the draw button because of his hold, a completely different set of cards would have come out on the draw. The words "continuously shuffling" are the key words here. That is the reality. What you explained was if he had theoretically held his cards in the second instance in the precise same time as he held them in the first instance.
    If that's the case, how can there be hot/cold cycles or programming simulated rsndomness?

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