Video poker card display question

[jbjb]

Based on what IGT has said, while he is making the hold the remaining 47 cards are shuffling. Once he hits the draw button the deck stops shuffling. The first card off the top of the deck is dealt to the first open position. The 2nd card off the top is dealt to the next available position, etc. Since he held the Jd in first position the first card off the top was the Ad, the 2nd card off the top was the 10c. So he wouldn't have made the royal.

That's incorrect information. If you knew how computers operate you'd agree with me. I've even seen this info explained on this forum by others before. jbjb I believe.

If he had taken 1/1000th of a second or more longer or shorter to hit the draw button because of his hold, a completely different set of cards would have come out on the draw. The words "continuously shuffling" are the key words here. That is the reality. What you explained was if he had theoretically held his cards in the second instance in the precise same time as he held them in the first instance.

If that's the case, how can there be hot/cold cycles or programming simulated rsndomness?

Because there isn't any. We've been saying this for years.

[Alan Mendelson]

Ding ding ding ding ding! Slingshot just might have hit the jackpot... and won the prize that hot and cold cycles are something the mind manufactures after an event.

[Rob.Singer]

That's incorrect information. If you knew how computers operate you'd agree with me. I've even seen this info explained on this forum by others before. jbjb I believe.

If he had taken 1/1000th of a second or more longer or shorter to hit the draw button because of his hold, a completely different set of cards would have come out on the draw. The words "continuously shuffling" are the key words here. That is the reality. What you explained was if he had theoretically held his cards in the second instance in the precise same time as he held them in the first instance.

If that's the case, how can there be hot/cold cycles or programming simulated rsndomness?

Because there isn't any. We've been saying this for years.

There's an operational way it's supposed to be, and there's another way that some machines are programmed to operate. Depends on where you go...and when.

No one can prove over the life of any machine that there aren't certain periods of operation where this isn't true, just as I can't prove it is. It's simply too easy to spot-program a machine and get it by the very infrequent formal testing of machine parameters. These are CASINOS people, not churches or daycare centers. And this often said claim that "no casino would ever take a chance of having their door shut by state regulators?" Complete nonsense. Look at the political climate over the past 30 years. Anyone still think a casino that employs hundreds or thousands will ever have their doors locked over something like this?

Wise up.

[jbjb]

If that's the case, how can there be hot/cold cycles or programming simulated rsndomness?

Because there isn't any. We've been saying this for years.

There's an operational way it's supposed to be, and there's another way that some machines are programmed to operate. Depends on where you go...and when.

No one can prove over the life of any machine that there aren't certain periods of operation where this isn't true, just as I can't prove it is. It's simply too easy to spot-program a machine and get it by the very infrequent formal testing of machine parameters. These are CASINOS people, not churches or daycare centers. And this often said claim that "no casino would ever take a chance of having their door shut by state regulators?" Complete nonsense. Look at the political climate over the past 30 years. Anyone still think a casino that employs hundreds or thousands will ever have their doors locked over something like this?

Wise up.

With all of your conspiracy nonsense, I've come to the conclusion that you're really a liberal!

[mickeycrimm]

If that's the case, how can there be hot/cold cycles or programming simulated rsndomness?

Because there isn't any. We've been saying this for years.

There's an operational way it's supposed to be, and there's another way that some machines are programmed to operate. Depends on where you go...and when.

No one can prove over the life of any machine that there aren't certain periods of operation where this isn't true, just as I can't prove it is. It's simply too easy to spot-program a machine and get it by the very infrequent formal testing of machine parameters. These are CASINOS people, not churches or daycare centers. And this often said claim that "no casino would ever take a chance of having their door shut by state regulators?" Complete nonsense. Look at the political climate over the past 30 years. Anyone still think a casino that employs hundreds or thousands will ever have their doors locked over something like this?

Wise up.

Fines can be heavy though. And how about the bad publicity for the casino?

[Alan Mendelson]

Never mind the casinos... what game maker would risk selling rigged machines?

[Rob.Singer]

Never mind the casinos... what game maker would risk selling rigged machines?

No machine manufacturer would risk that, obviously. They're too small and the competition is too big.

I've come across many altered IGT machines in casinos around the world, and that's because it is simple to alter them. Most of these were obvious, while the ones that get changed in the US--especially Indian casinos and cruise ships--are not so easy to detect.

[mickeycrimm]

Never mind the casinos... what game maker would risk selling rigged machines?

No machine manufacturer would risk that, obviously. They're too small and the competition is too big.

I've come across many altered IGT machines in casinos around the world, and that's because it is simple to alter them. Most of these were obvious, while the ones that get changed in the US--especially Indian casinos and cruise ships--are not so easy to detect.

Altered in what way?

[Rob.Singer]

Because there isn't any. We've been saying this for years.

There's an operational way it's supposed to be, and there's another way that some machines are programmed to operate. Depends on where you go...and when.

No one can prove over the life of any machine that there aren't certain periods of operation where this isn't true, just as I can't prove it is. It's simply too easy to spot-program a machine and get it by the very infrequent formal testing of machine parameters. These are CASINOS people, not churches or daycare centers. And this often said claim that "no casino would ever take a chance of having their door shut by state regulators?" Complete nonsense. Look at the political climate over the past 30 years. Anyone still think a casino that employs hundreds or thousands will ever have their doors locked over something like this?

Wise up.

Fines can be heavy though. And how about the bad publicity for the casino?

Business 101 mickey--risk vs. reward.

Not sure bad publicity is a concern. I think it was two or three years ago a big Reno casino (Atlantis or Peppermill) got nailed big time for sending their tech into the other casino to do something to the machines with a key they obtained. It was all over the papers and news up there, there was a giant fine, and that was that.

[BadBeet]

Just out of curiosity... was this a $0.05 single line 5 coin game?

[MaxPen]

Because there isn't any. We've been saying this for years.

There's an operational way it's supposed to be, and there's another way that some machines are programmed to operate. Depends on where you go...and when.

No one can prove over the life of any machine that there aren't certain periods of operation where this isn't true, just as I can't prove it is. It's simply too easy to spot-program a machine and get it by the very infrequent formal testing of machine parameters. These are CASINOS people, not churches or daycare centers. And this often said claim that "no casino would ever take a chance of having their door shut by state regulators?" Complete nonsense. Look at the political climate over the past 30 years. Anyone still think a casino that employs hundreds or thousands will ever have their doors locked over something like this?

Wise up.

With all of your conspiracy nonsense, I've come to the conclusion that you're really a liberal!

Of course he's a liberal. Most on the public Dole are.

[woodman22]

Singer may be a lot of things, but a liberal he is not.

[Rob.Singer]

Singer may be a lot of things, but a liberal he is not.

I'm for Obama to be castrated for all his lies and whipping up of racial hate, Hillary to be jailed and raped by female inmates and guards alike for all her corruption, deception, and covering up for her pervert husband's sexual deviances, the cutting off of Nancy Pelosi's fake tits and just really bad facial lift skin, Harry Reid poking his only good eye out with his own pencil, and queers who like gay marriage and transgender freaks to keep on banging weirdo guys with aids in the butt.

Libtard heaven?

[Rob.Singer]

More libtard heaven:

There are between 12% and 15% blacks in this country. There are about 1.5% gays. And black/white inter-racial marriages are at about 1%. Yet in nearly every commercial, we are subjected to at least 25%-50% or more of blacks. And in virtually every new TV show, if you bet on there being at least one homo, a queer marriage, some weirdo transgender freak or freaks, or a black/white marriage or relationship, you'd win that bet with ease.

Why? Because ever since Obama, all the oddballs in the country began to feel empowered. And that homo judge in California, who overturned the state's huge majority's voting decision not to make gay marriage equal to normal marriage, led the charge.

So now if you want to watch regular TV, you get all this corrupted stuff which most Americans have no interest in it being pushed into our faces. These network TV liberals are afraid to keep the percentages the way they really are across the country, opting instead to pretend everywhere and everything is a virtual snapshot of NYC or LA.

It's like if a conservative TV network, if there actually was one, were showing a football movie where 8 out Of 11 starters were white, or an NBA movie where 4 out of 5 starters were white.

Oh the blasphemy of showing the truth....

[slingshot]

If that's the case, how can there be hot/cold cycles or programming simulated rsndomness?

Because there isn't any. We've been saying this for years.

There's an operational way it's supposed to be, and there's another way that some machines are programmed to operate. Depends on where you go...and when.

No one can prove over the life of any machine that there aren't certain periods of operation where this isn't true, just as I can't prove it is. It's simply too easy to spot-program a machine and get it by the very infrequent formal testing of machine parameters. These are CASINOS people, not churches or daycare centers. And this often said claim that "no casino would ever take a chance of having their door shut by state regulators?" Complete nonsense. Look at the political climate over the past 30 years. Anyone still think a casino that employs hundreds or thousands will ever have their doors locked over something like this?

Wise up.

I only can vouch for the different casino part. I go to the Horseshoe in Bossier and with structured play I have a fair chance for success and a!most always get a quad of SOME value. Go to Margarittaville a block away and play ALL day without one. In both cases, short term strategy is the ONLY chance to survive-after months of trying to play otherwise. I will NEVER play again without playing in the short term. I have now settled in an acceptable short term pattern of play that has also recovered my Diamond status at the Horseshoe, but stopped my offers at Margarittaville.