Video poker card display question

[Alan Mendelson]

While walking thru the casino there's a big commotion at a row of video poker games. A player is all upset screaming "I made a mistake!"

The way the player tells it:

He was dealt various cards including Jd and 10d and three unsuited small cards. He only held the Jack of diamonds.

After the draw he got a straight with these cards reading left to right on the screen:

Jd Ad 10c Kd Qd

He thinks if he held the 10d he would have had a royal. But others were telling him that if he held the 10d the Qd or the Ad would not have been drawn.

What's the answer?

[Rob.Singer]

If he held the 10d he COULD have had the royal. No one knows for sure.

[Alan Mendelson]

If he held the 10d he COULD have had the royal. No one knows for sure.

If he held the 10d one card would not have been drawn. Was it the ace or the queen that is drawn last?

[Dan Druff]

Unless the Tc was drawn last, he wouldn't have gotten the royal if he held the Td.

And that whole thing is assuming that the deck isn't constantly shuffling until the button press. If it is, the time he took to hold the Td would have changed the order of cards anyway.

[dannyj]

Unless the Tc was drawn last, he wouldn't have gotten the royal if he held the Td.

And that whole thing is assuming that the deck isn't constantly shuffling until the button press. If it is, the time he took to hold the Td would have changed the order of cards anyway.

I’ve always assumed the deck is “up in the air” or constantly shuffling, not with the cards in queue. Which one is it? Does anyone know for sure?

[Alan Mendelson]

Unless the Tc was drawn last, he wouldn't have gotten the royal if he held the Td.

And that whole thing is assuming that the deck isn't constantly shuffling until the button press. If it is, the time he took to hold the Td would have changed the order of cards anyway.

I’ve always assumed the deck is “up in the air” or constantly shuffling, not with the cards in queue. Which one is it? Does anyone know for sure?

I think the issue is both how are the cards chosen and in what order are the chosen cards displayed.

Remember he held only the Jack and the J appears on the screen on the far left.

The card to the right of the jack is the ace. My guess is the ace was chosen by the RNG first. Since the Q is on the far right my guess is the Q was chosen last.

Or, was the Q chosen first and the cards chosen by the RNG were displayed Right to Left?

[Alan Mendelson]

I saw the cards on the screen. The middle card was the 10c. I think the last card drawn was the Qd.

[slingshot]

I've wondered about this a lot of times. Several times when I chose NOT to hold the ten, sure enough here comes the other four. Could this be akin to a scare? Would it have been in a different order in the draw.

[Dankyone]

The deck is constantly shuffling, the cards are not in queue.

[mickeycrimm]

While walking thru the casino there's a big commotion at a row of video poker games. A player is all upset screaming "I made a mistake!"

The way the player tells it:

He was dealt various cards including Jd and 10d and three unsuited small cards. He only held the Jack of diamonds.

After the draw he got a straight with these cards reading left to right on the screen:

Jd Ad 10c Kd Qd

He thinks if he held the 10d he would have had a royal. But others were telling him that if he held the 10d the Qd or the Ad would not have been drawn.

What's the answer?

Based on what IGT has said, while he is making the hold the remaining 47 cards are shuffling. Once he hits the draw button the deck stops shuffling. The first card off the top of the deck is dealt to the first open position. The 2nd card off the top is dealt to the next available position, etc. Since he held the Jd in first position the first card off the top was the Ad, the 2nd card off the top was the 10c. So he wouldn't have made the royal.

[Rob.Singer]

While walking thru the casino there's a big commotion at a row of video poker games. A player is all upset screaming "I made a mistake!"

The way the player tells it:

He was dealt various cards including Jd and 10d and three unsuited small cards. He only held the Jack of diamonds.

After the draw he got a straight with these cards reading left to right on the screen:

Jd Ad 10c Kd Qd

He thinks if he held the 10d he would have had a royal. But others were telling him that if he held the 10d the Qd or the Ad would not have been drawn.

What's the answer?

Based on what IGT has said, while he is making the hold the remaining 47 cards are shuffling. Once he hits the draw button the deck stops shuffling. The first card off the top of the deck is dealt to the first open position. The 2nd card off the top is dealt to the next available position, etc. Since he held the Jd in first position the first card off the top was the Ad, the 2nd card off the top was the 10c. So he wouldn't have made the royal.

That's incorrect information. If you knew how computers operate you'd agree with me. I've even seen this info explained on this forum by others before. jbjb I believe.

If he had taken 1/1000th of a second or more longer or shorter to hit the draw button because of his hold, a completely different set of cards would have come out on the draw. The words "continuously shuffling" are the key words here. That is the reality. What you explained was if he had theoretically held his cards in the second instance in the precise same time as he held them in the first instance.

[mickeycrimm]

While walking thru the casino there's a big commotion at a row of video poker games. A player is all upset screaming "I made a mistake!"

The way the player tells it:

He was dealt various cards including Jd and 10d and three unsuited small cards. He only held the Jack of diamonds.

After the draw he got a straight with these cards reading left to right on the screen:

Jd Ad 10c Kd Qd

He thinks if he held the 10d he would have had a royal. But others were telling him that if he held the 10d the Qd or the Ad would not have been drawn.

What's the answer?

Based on what IGT has said, while he is making the hold the remaining 47 cards are shuffling. Once he hits the draw button the deck stops shuffling. The first card off the top of the deck is dealt to the first open position. The 2nd card off the top is dealt to the next available position, etc. Since he held the Jd in first position the first card off the top was the Ad, the 2nd card off the top was the 10c. So he wouldn't have made the royal.

That's incorrect information. If you knew how computers operate you'd agree with me. I've even seen this info explained on this forum by others before. jbjb I believe.

If he had taken 1/1000th of a second or more longer or shorter to hit the draw button because of his hold, a completely different set of cards would have come out on the draw. The words "continuously shuffling" are the key words here. That is the reality. What you explained was if he had theoretically held his cards in the second instance in the precise same time as he held them in the first instance.

I've been aware of that since IGT changed the procedure for dealing cards.

[slingshot]

While walking thru the casino there's a big commotion at a row of video poker games. A player is all upset screaming "I made a mistake!"

The way the player tells it:

He was dealt various cards including Jd and 10d and three unsuited small cards. He only held the Jack of diamonds.

After the draw he got a straight with these cards reading left to right on the screen:

Jd Ad 10c Kd Qd

He thinks if he held the 10d he would have had a royal. But others were telling him that if he held the 10d the Qd or the Ad would not have been drawn.

What's the answer?

Based on what IGT has said, while he is making the hold the remaining 47 cards are shuffling. Once he hits the draw button the deck stops shuffling. The first card off the top of the deck is dealt to the first open position. The 2nd card off the top is dealt to the next available position, etc. Since he held the Jd in first position the first card off the top was the Ad, the 2nd card off the top was the 10c. So he wouldn't have made the royal.

That's incorrect information. If you knew how computers operate you'd agree with me. I've even seen this info explained on this forum by others before. jbjb I believe.

If he had taken 1/1000th of a second or more longer or shorter to hit the draw button because of his hold, a completely different set of cards would have come out on the draw. The words "continuously shuffling" are the key words here. That is the reality. What you explained was if he had theoretically held his cards in the second instance in the precise same time as he held them in the first instance.

If that's the case, how can there be hot/cold cycles or programming simulated rsndomness?

[jbjb]

Based on what IGT has said, while he is making the hold the remaining 47 cards are shuffling. Once he hits the draw button the deck stops shuffling. The first card off the top of the deck is dealt to the first open position. The 2nd card off the top is dealt to the next available position, etc. Since he held the Jd in first position the first card off the top was the Ad, the 2nd card off the top was the 10c. So he wouldn't have made the royal.

That's incorrect information. If you knew how computers operate you'd agree with me. I've even seen this info explained on this forum by others before. jbjb I believe.

If he had taken 1/1000th of a second or more longer or shorter to hit the draw button because of his hold, a completely different set of cards would have come out on the draw. The words "continuously shuffling" are the key words here. That is the reality. What you explained was if he had theoretically held his cards in the second instance in the precise same time as he held them in the first instance.

If that's the case, how can there be hot/cold cycles or programming simulated rsndomness?

Because there isn't any. We've been saying this for years.

[Rob.Singer]

That's incorrect information. If you knew how computers operate you'd agree with me. I've even seen this info explained on this forum by others before. jbjb I believe.

If he had taken 1/1000th of a second or more longer or shorter to hit the draw button because of his hold, a completely different set of cards would have come out on the draw. The words "continuously shuffling" are the key words here. That is the reality. What you explained was if he had theoretically held his cards in the second instance in the precise same time as he held them in the first instance.

If that's the case, how can there be hot/cold cycles or programming simulated rsndomness?

Because there isn't any. We've been saying this for years.

There's an operational way it's supposed to be, and there's another way that some machines are programmed to operate. Depends on where you go...and when.

No one can prove over the life of any machine that there aren't certain periods of operation where this isn't true, just as I can't prove it is. It's simply too easy to spot-program a machine and get it by the very infrequent formal testing of machine parameters. These are CASINOS people, not churches or daycare centers. And this often said claim that "no casino would ever take a chance of having their door shut by state regulators?" Complete nonsense. Look at the political climate over the past 30 years. Anyone still think a casino that employs hundreds or thousands will ever have their doors locked over something like this?

Wise up.

[Alan Mendelson]

That's what I thought mickeycrimm. He was crying over nothing. His error made no difference on the royal but it did get him a straight.

[jpfromla]

That's what I thought mickeycrimm. He was crying over nothing. His error made no difference on the royal but it did get him a straight.

Had he held the 10d, he would had a pair of 10 s only.

[Alan Mendelson]

That's what I thought mickeycrimm. He was crying over nothing. His error made no difference on the royal but it did get him a straight.

Had he held the 10d, he would had a pair of 10 s only.

A pair of tens is not a paying hand.

[jbjb]

The player would have to hit the draw button at the exact same nanosecond to get the same cards. Now, it is also possible, to get those same cards hitting it at a different time as well. Just as you can shuffle and wash a deck thoroughly, and still deal the same cards as you did on a previous hand. Case in point would be getting the exact same two hole cards in holdem using two separate decks.

[Alan Mendelson]

I think we all understand that with continuous shuffle the exact moment of hitting the button determines all. But the question is would he have had the royal or not IF NOTHING INVOLVING THE TIMING changed. I agree with mickeycrimm.