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  1. #1
    If anyone has any recommendations for a spy camera(preferably a hat, maybe a pen or a watch) at the tables preferably 1080p, please post it up. The reason I want to use a hat is because it gives the casino less leeway claiming im using it as a 'device' to assist in my play making what im doing 'illegal' under the 'cheating' statute for Nevada. Spyglasses could easily be said that im potentially marking cards with invisible ink and what not so not really interested in going that route.

    But yeah, the goal is that I'm looking to create a youtube channel of just live blackjack footage. There doesnt seem to be any legit card counting live footage videos on youtube other than 1 guy but he doesnt post much. The others who post live footage are frauds such as morgenstern. Im looking to make a legit channel with legit videos. It will be a channel specifically made for live footage with me never showing my face etc and I believe people would enjoy watching it to see what it really is like as a counter and could probably build a nice following. Of course the videos will be delayed by 1-2 months so the casinos don't figure out who I am. Ill record about 2 months worth of play before I start uploading them and then just start uploading once a week starting with the old videos from 2 months ago etc. rinse and repeat.

    So far, this is the best one I found.

    https://www.amazon.com/fannuoyi-Outd...spy+camera+hat
    Last edited by ZenKinG; 12-06-2018 at 09:35 PM.

  2. #2
    Originally Posted by ZenKinG View Post
    If anyone has any recommendations for a spy camera(preferably a hat, maybe a pen or a watch) at the tables preferably 1080p, please post it up. The reason I want to use a hat is because it gives the casino less leeway claiming im using it as a 'device' to assist in my play making what im doing 'illegal' under the 'cheating' statute for Nevada. Spyglasses could easily be said that im potentially marking cards with invisible ink and what not so not really interested in going that route.

    But yeah, the goal is that I'm looking to create a youtube channel of just live blackjack footage. There doesnt seem to be any legit card counting live footage videos on youtube other than 1 guy but he doesnt post much. The others who post live footage are frauds such as morgenstern. Im looking to make a legit channel with legit videos. It will be a channel specifically made for live footage with me never showing my face etc and I believe people would enjoy watching it to see what it really is like as a counter and could probably build a nice following. Of course the videos will be delayed by 1-2 months so the casinos don't figure out who I am. Ill record about 2 months worth of play before I start uploading them and then just start uploading once a week starting with the old videos from 2 months ago etc. rinse and repeat.

    So far, this is the best one I found.

    https://www.amazon.com/fannuoyi-Outd...spy+camera+hat
    I used my smartphone attached to my belt to record this hidden video. It shows blackjack action followed by baccarat play at the Rio in Las Vegas.

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  3. #3
    Originally Posted by ZenKinG View Post
    If anyone has any recommendations for a spy camera(preferably a hat, maybe a pen or a watch) at the tables preferably 1080p, please post it up. The reason I want to use a hat is because it gives the casino less leeway claiming im using it as a 'device' to assist in my play making what im doing 'illegal' under the 'cheating' statute for Nevada. Spyglasses could easily be said that im potentially marking cards with invisible ink and what not so not really interested in going that route.

    But yeah, the goal is that I'm looking to create a youtube channel of just live blackjack footage. There doesnt seem to be any legit card counting live footage videos on youtube other than 1 guy but he doesnt post much. The others who post live footage are frauds such as morgenstern. Im looking to make a legit channel with legit videos. It will be a channel specifically made for live footage with me never showing my face etc and I believe people would enjoy watching it to see what it really is like as a counter and could probably build a nice following. Of course the videos will be delayed by 1-2 months so the casinos don't figure out who I am. Ill record about 2 months worth of play before I start uploading them and then just start uploading once a week starting with the old videos from 2 months ago etc. rinse and repeat.

    So far, this is the best one I found.

    https://www.amazon.com/fannuoyi-Outd...spy+camera+hat
    Originally Posted by ZenKinG View Post
    Well this forum is a complete joke. I thought it was going to be different here, so this is my last post, but the amount of garbage the admins let go on in each thread and the straying of off topic conversations about endless bullshit is ridiculous.

    Peace out trolls, this forum is a joke.
    Admins?
    Owner!

  4. #4
    I wonder what kewl thinks about this idea.

  5. #5
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Originally Posted by ZenKinG View Post
    If anyone has any recommendations for a spy camera(preferably a hat, maybe a pen or a watch) at the tables preferably 1080p, please post it up. The reason I want to use a hat is because it gives the casino less leeway claiming im using it as a 'device' to assist in my play making what im doing 'illegal' under the 'cheating' statute for Nevada. Spyglasses could easily be said that im potentially marking cards with invisible ink and what not so not really interested in going that route.

    But yeah, the goal is that I'm looking to create a youtube channel of just live blackjack footage. There doesnt seem to be any legit card counting live footage videos on youtube other than 1 guy but he doesnt post much. The others who post live footage are frauds such as morgenstern. Im looking to make a legit channel with legit videos. It will be a channel specifically made for live footage with me never showing my face etc and I believe people would enjoy watching it to see what it really is like as a counter and could probably build a nice following. Of course the videos will be delayed by 1-2 months so the casinos don't figure out who I am. Ill record about 2 months worth of play before I start uploading them and then just start uploading once a week starting with the old videos from 2 months ago etc. rinse and repeat.

    So far, this is the best one I found.

    https://www.amazon.com/fannuoyi-Outd...spy+camera+hat
    Originally Posted by ZenKinG View Post
    Well this forum is a complete joke. I thought it was going to be different here, so this is my last post, but the amount of garbage the admins let go on in each thread and the straying of off topic conversations about endless bullshit is ridiculous.

    Peace out trolls, this forum is a joke.
    Admins?
    Owner!
    Hall monitor looking for a teacher, again. Teacher is absent more than the students, though.

  6. #6
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post

    Hall monitor looking for a teacher, again. Teacher is absent more than the students, though.
    You think I am being or am the type of person who is a hall monitor or security you have the wrong impression of me.
    I don't like double standards.
    If you are going to be some sort of Man or ZenKing or Super AP start acting like it.
    Tired of the wish wash flip flop talk or posting from one day to the next.

    (Take for instance the Vhole who goes out and decides to do something that is against his better judgement. Talk about Double Standard.
    I'm pissed off because I am doing something I know I am not supposed to do nor do I condone my actions but I am doing it anyway and going to cry about the consequences.

    Next you have the other guy who hates his life because someone crashed into his bumper while he was away from the parking lot.
    Just from my own personal experience, my Wife has had this happen 3 times in 2 years and replacing the bumper costs $350 every time.
    One guy crashed into her car parked outside the house in the driveway and gave some phony insurance papers but promised to come back with 300 dollars lol.
    Talk about funny. Ran into her bumper outside the house parked in the driveway!
    I told her to get rid of the magnets but she won't listen.

    Newer cars have to replace the whole bumper because they can't do body work on them for some reason.
    Not to mention someone stole my Jeep and stripped it leaving it for dead on a sidewalk 10 miles away from where it was parked.
    Bitter with the Sweet because the Sweet just isn't as Sweet without the Bitter.

    Just so ZK understands... you better keep the money train rolling in because the easy life in America takes constant maintenance and even if you are well funded you are going to need more.
    If you get tired of the Rat Race you can venture up into the Mountains and Forest and learn how to live off the land but the Rat Race is far easier unless you have a life long experience with such.
    One of the major reasons people jump is because they can't keep the money train rolling in anymore and have become accustomed to a certain style of living.
    Don't worry it is coming for us all very soon.)

    Just pointing it out.
    Plenty to go around.
    Nothing better to do on these boards anyways.
    Nobody wants to talk about how to go about getting an edge in the Casino.
    With a few exceptions and even if they do, people like your pal AxelWolf or BBB start crying up a storm.
    We all can't post up pictures of RV's and Campers every post.
    Of course, I guess we could keep calling Alan names and tell him to pay his degenerate son but you have that corner well covered along with Brian Bosworth.
    Could start a thread called the Monet Six but as I have stated before the Book Owns me... no need to prove more than I have in the past online.
    ZenKing is only over here because he got banished for a few weeks at WoV.
    Once reinstated, the members on this board won't be able to help him because we can go back to being a bunch of Trolls as he already stated or believes.
    Out of all the members, AP or Non Ap, you MaxPen are still my favorite Pikachu, even if you wrongly call me a Hall Monitor.
    You may pass.
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    Last edited by monet; 12-07-2018 at 02:26 AM.

  7. #7
    Originally Posted by ZenKinG View Post
    If anyone has any recommendations for a spy camera(preferably a hat, maybe a pen or a watch) at the tables preferably 1080p, please post it up. ...

    So far, this is the best one I found.

    https://www.amazon.com/SILLEYE-Porta...dp/B078WD33YM/
    Hi ZK,

    First off, I suggest this is a pretty bad idea. Not a good way to keep your longevity at casinos. Not a good way to avoid arrest, whether wrongful or not.
    I don't recommend caps or pens or specs as they are too conspicuous no matter how well designed.

    But I will be helpful... If you want to truly hide the camera, the best one I've found (and own) is disguised as an ordinary button, on the end of a 15mm 'tail' with the electronics and battery in a small box. Something like this.
    on Amazon
    DON'T get one with WiFi !!!
    Combine in a button or stud with a patterned shirt and it's pretty disceet, though the lens can shimmer, so have some decoy studs that also shimmer.
    But I'll say again.... Really consider the implications of getting caught.

  8. #8
    Yeah, making a YouTube channel with real life card counting videos probably isn't a great idea for your longevity. If you are dead set on doing this, for whatever reason, then at least wait a few months before uploading the videos to YouTube (not that you should do it at all, but....).
    #FreeTyde

  9. #9
    I posted up about this many times on WOV.

    Personally, I don't think the watches are a good idea for casino recording since your hands and arms will be moving often. However, I have a new spy watch that's still in the box if you want to borrow it and try, it may be good enough. TBH I have not tried a spy watch for casino recording, I have only used pens. And as you know, you cant wear sunglasses at the table.

    The watches actually look nice, they are stainless steel dress watches. The one good thing about the watches, they are way less detectable than the pens. Actually I don't think anyone would ever be able to tell the watch is a recording device. If you look close enough at the pens you can tell. They are thicker than a normal pen and of course there is small a hole for the lens. Make sure you get one that does not have a recording light indicator they can see.

    The pens are fairly good and you can get them for under $80. You will need more than one since the battery life is only a few hours, if you are lucky. You would have to go in the restroom and switch out. Some say they last up to 5 hours, but I call BS.

    You could use a smart phone in your top pocket. They have apps that will disguise the fact that you are recording.

    You can find this for $60.... iSmartPen Pro 32GB Gold - HD Recording DVR Pen - 1920p x 1080p - Busines

  10. #10
    I can't wait for the anti-APs to explain how the card counting cannot be done although it's on video. That should be pretty entertaining. Maybe they'll claim it was faked, like the moon landing. I think it's worth doing just to hear the anti-explanations.

    C'mon, boys. Don't hold back. Proclamations about how it cannot possibly be done -- get them rolling!

  11. #11
    I spent a few hours getting to know ZK face to face while playing some pool.
    I have also had some back and forth through text with him.
    I am not sure why he asks questions via forum or text.
    ZK is going to do what ZK wants to do no matter what anyone suggests or advises.

    How long has ZK been in Vegas?
    1 to 2 years?
    In about the same situation he was when he came out here.
    Even though this does not mean he won't be successful out here I don't think he or others understand how things have changed just in the last 2 years.
    Vegas is not the gravy train it once was and it is far more difficult to grind out a living.
    Playing solo with promotions all over the place and full pay games everywhere are basically gone.
    Counting Cards in Vegas Black Jack Pits are near impossible even though it appears a few players are able to make it work.
    However I hear or read about many players constantly getting shut down after large wins or long hours.

    The ones who seem to be more successful are the ones that have diversified inside of the Casino.
    The others are the ones who seem to be able to work well with others.
    ZK is neither of the above.
    One day if he continues on this path he may wake up 10 years later in the same situation.
    It can take 10 years or more out here to get your bearings when you basically do everything by yourself as he does.
    25 years in Vegas went by like a blur for me and this was a time when it was easier to beat machines in Vegas.

    ZK has some serious issues with paranoia that he has freely admitted.
    It is difficult enough as it is doing what he is doing in this town.
    Now he is going to add in more complications with recording his play in the Casino.
    Not only is that going to cause stress but he is going to upload it onto Youtube for the world to see?
    I for one will be looking forward to the confrontations that occur with him and security and the Droned Out Casino Employees that he hates.
    Last edited by monet; 12-07-2018 at 07:36 AM.

  12. #12
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    The watches actually look nice, they are stainless steel dress watches. The one good thing about the watches, they are way less detectable than the pens.
    I have one of the watches, used for slightly shady stuff at work. I also got an almost identical watch without camera, so I could aclimatise my colleagues to my wearing of a chunky watch. Most of the time I wore the ordinary watch and if it had drawn attention, I'd have been in the clear )
    But the watches would be poor for ZK's idea because they would never really be in the right position without him sitting stangely. Pens are conspicuous if someone is already on his guard and knows what to look for. Same with the specs and cap. He needs something that is camaflaged and just an off the shelf 'easy wear' device. With a button cam, he can choose his own button which would be like all his other buttons and not an added 'stuck on' fashion accessory.
    Additional benefit is much bigger battery and discretely remote controlled.

  13. #13
    What a forum.

    What camera should I use at the tables to video what I am not supposed to be recording?

    Well, the pens are good but the watches are great!

    ZK already has heat all over him all over town and now he is going to wear a camera watch, pen or button?
    Sounds like another Suncoast altercation for Alan to cover.

  14. #14
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Tired of the wish wash flip flop talk or posting from one day to the next. (Take for instance the Vhole who goes out and decides to do something that is against his better judgement. Talk about Double Standard.
    LOL

    As if nobody else has ever done anything in a casino "against their better judgment."
    Last edited by MisterV; 12-07-2018 at 10:14 AM.
    What, Me Worry?

  15. #15
    Monet, I think I remember when you met ZK. Was that the night you said you could have robbed Axel easily?

    Not going to be myself and say anything negative.

    I’ll let your answer speak for it’s self.

    Have a Great Day!

  16. #16
    Originally Posted by mcap View Post
    I wonder what kewl thinks about this idea.
    Do you wonder? Cause I think you already know or strongly suspect what I think.

    But either way, I will keep it to myself. I have offered advice and tried to help him as best I could from afar (so glad I didn't get more involved) and as all he does is attack and shit on me (and others). So, I am done with all things 'zenking'.

  17. #17
    I'll just say... bad idea.... and leave it at that.

  18. #18
    And is nobody concerned that you are illegally videoing people without their consent and then you talk about putting it on You tube.

    And try telling a judge that you weren't using the device as a cheating mechanism.

  19. #19
    The ones saying it's a bad idea because it will bring on heat. Why do you think I mentioned in the OP that the videos will be 2 months apart because of the slim chance a casino executive takes the time to compile data off a youtube video and merge together actual play from the patrons in his casino to find that pesky card counter that is taking 50 an hour from him. Give me a break.

    EVEN if the videos werent 2 months apart and I somehow wanted to upload it the very next day, the chance of it bringing me heat is less than 1% considering the fact I dont bet huge amounts for me to stand out, so they would have to review 24 hours of coverage to find a 30 min session where the amount won is similar to many patrons that gamble there that day. Considering the videos will be 2 months apart and the amounts I'm betting which is only 2x150 or 2x200 now due to a resize, the chance of me getting heat correlated to me uploading videos is less than 0.1%.

    Also the chance of being 'caught' is irrelevant because it's not illegal so it will just be thrown out in court. Recording in a casino is not illegal, it's simply a 'casino policy'. The only statute that makes it illegal is if you're using a 'device to assist you in playing'. Good luck trying to say my spy hat or spy pen or spy button was assisting me in playing in a criminal trial beyond a reasonable doubt.

    Thank you to the ones that provided suggestions to products. Ill look into them.
    Last edited by ZenKinG; 12-07-2018 at 03:17 PM.

  20. #20
    Originally Posted by monet View Post

    You think I am being or am the type of person who is a hall monitor or security you have the wrong impression of me.
    I'm pretty sure you know better.


    Just so ZK understands... you better keep the money train rolling in because the easy life in America takes constant maintenance and even if you are well funded you are going to need more.
    If you get tired of the Rat Race you can venture up into the Mountains and Forest and learn how to live off the land but the Rat Race is far easier unless you have a life long experience with such.
    One of the major reasons people jump is because they can't keep the money train rolling in anymore and have become accustomed to a certain style of living.
    Don't worry it is coming for us all very soon.)

    Locals get the property taxes and bankers get the retirement. When the entire house of cards crumbles the sheep wont know what hit them.

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