Best spy camera for blackjack?

[ZenKinG]

And is nobody concerned that you are illegally videoing people without their consent and then you talk about putting it on You tube.

And try telling a judge that you weren't using the device as a cheating mechanism.

Oh really? Illegally video taping people without their consent? Recording someone in 'PUBLIC' is completely different than recording someone in 'PRIVATE'. Recording someone in private without their consent is illegal on the state and federal level. Glad I can clear up the nonsense. Not to mention, the videos wont have videos of anyone, the only thing would be the audio, but like I said recording audio or even video in a public place doesnt violate any statutes.

Cheating mechanism? That's funny. The burden of proof is not on the defendant in a criminal case. Maybe in civil cases such as civil asset forfeiture where they can get around it because they only need a 'preponderance of evidence' rather than 'reasonable doubt', which is nothing but a loophole to unconstitutionally bypass the 5th amendment and due process of law. Maybe you should be saying, 'Good luck to the judge proving that im using the device as a cheating mechanism' because I can't wait to hear the evidence he has 'beyond a reasonable doubt' that I'm using it to assist in my play. I also can't wait to hear what the jury has to say. Should be fun.

[Deech]

Holy mackerel! We have 15 different authors in the first 20 posts on this thread. None are named Rob or Alan. This must be a record. Hence, I have to join the party, though with so many different individuals, I may ihave the need on name tags.

As for the discussion of video cameras in casinos, it is correct that video can be taken in public places without concent. For me, the issue is audio, not video. In many states one cannot publish private conversations in public places. I have no idea about Nevada. If I am going to watch a YouTube of gambling, I want to hear the chips cracklings and the dealer stating certain things, the video may have to be silent with narration or visual text on the screen. I am not saying that would take away the strength of the video, but it does alter the effect.

Interesting topic.

[regnis]

Holy mackerel! We have 15 different authors in the first 20 posts on this thread. None are named Rob or Alan. This must be a record. Hence, I have to join the party, though with so many different individuals, I may ihave the need on name tags.

As for the discussion of video cameras in casinos, it is correct that video can be taken in public places without concent. For me, the issue is audio, not video. In many states one cannot publish private conversations in public places. I have no idea about Nevada. If I am going to watch a YouTube of gambling, I want to hear the chips cracklings and the dealer stating certain things, the video may have to be silent with narration or visual text on the screen. I am not saying that would take away the strength of the video, but it does alter the effect.

Interesting topic.

Deech-that is exactly the point I was making. You can't use the voice or likeness FOR PROFIT. Putting it on you tube without signed releases is a no no. I don't give a crap--he can do whatever he wants. Just stating the facts.

But I am glad that zenking jumped all over me with such vitriol, having had no other interactions of any kind with him and not knowing each other in any way. Now I know to just disregard him in the future.

[ZenKinG]

What people dont understand is that federal law supercedes state law under the doctrine of preemption or otherwise known as the Supremacy Clause.

It also only gets tricky with the 'audio' part of it. You can pretty much video tape anything you want as long as youre a party to it. There are 38 states that have one party consent laws to record audio meaning that only one party, which includes yourself has to provide consent to the recording and that you dont have to inform anyone that youre recording. 12 states, including Nevada ALL parties must consent to the recording.

The problem is, under federal law, it is a ONE PARTY consent law meaning you dont have to inform anyone youre recording and under the doctrine of preemption, federal law supercedes amy conflicting state law. So record at will people.

[Alan Mendelson]

What people dont understand is that federal law supercedes state law if the state law conflicts with the federal law. There are 38 states that have one party consent laws to record audio meaning only one party which includes yourself had to provide consent to the recording and that you dont have to inform anyone that youre recording. 12 states, including Nevada all parties must be notified. The problem is, federal law under the United States Code is a ONE PARTY consent law meaning you dont have to inform anyone youre recording and under the doctrine of pre emption, federal law supercedes amy conflicting state law. So record at will people.

I don't know about Nevada, but in both California and New York you could be prosecuted for putting someone on audio or video without their consent. Even the news media must stop recording on private property if told to do so.

[ZenKinG]

What people dont understand is that federal law supercedes state law if the state law conflicts with the federal law. There are 38 states that have one party consent laws to record audio meaning only one party which includes yourself had to provide consent to the recording and that you dont have to inform anyone that youre recording. 12 states, including Nevada all parties must be notified. The problem is, federal law under the United States Code is a ONE PARTY consent law meaning you dont have to inform anyone youre recording and under the doctrine of pre emption, federal law supercedes amy conflicting state law. So record at will people.

I don't know about Nevada, but in both California and New York you could be prosecuted for putting someone on audio or video without their consent. Even the news media must stop recording on private property if told to do so.

These 12 states, including California, New York, Nevada, etc., all conflict with the federal law of ONE PARTY consent so they are null and void.

Also, even if somehow federal law didnt supercede it, the 12 states that require consent must be in a place where there is 'reasonable expectation of privacy, in other words a PRIVATE place like your own bathroom or bedroom, NOT a CASINO.

Adding to that, in the case of recording a government official, you are protected by the First Amendment to record any interaction with police without consent as long as it doesnt interfere with their work or investigation.

[Alan Mendelson]

Null and void, huh? Tell that to CBS, NBC, ABC and the other nets.

[MaxPen]

Null and void, huh? Tell that to CBS, NBC, ABC and the other nets.

I imagine you are pretty much feeling like you make others when you try to discuss AP......lol
What goes around comes around.

[ZenKinG]

Shout out to whoever ratted me out. Everytime i post something on the forums thats controversial or meet up with someone or pictures of chips or what not i get backed off the same day, but guess what, you guys cant stop me and never will. Casino executives cant stop me, lawyers cant stop me, railroading judge cant stop me, faggot people who rat me out cant stop me.

I will keep coming back until you illegally trespass me. Isnt that wonderful? Go ahead put cuffs on me and see what happens. You guys have no idea who ur messing with, mark my words. This city is at my mercy and always will be. They will make everything 6-5 before you put me in prison.

[MaxPen]

Wait until you start making YouTube videos.....lol
Probably lose your bankroll in a day and wind up in jail....can you provide more details of your latest conspiratorial debacle?

[Midwest Player]

Wonder what shit list Colin is on for making this video.

[ZenKinG]

Shout out to whoever ratted me out. Everytime i post something on the forums thats controversial or meet up with someone or pictures of chips or what not i get backed off the same day, but guess what, you guys cant stop me and never will. Casino executives cant stop me, lawyers cant stop me, railroading judge cant stop me, faggot people who rat me out cant stop me.

I will keep coming back until you illegally trespass me. Isnt that wonderful? Go ahead put cuffs on me and see what happens. You guys have no idea who ur messing with, mark my words. This city is at my mercy and always will be. They will make everything 6-5 before you put me in prison.

This AP freak show just gets better all the time. How much weirder could the alleged AP's actually be? Isn't this guy a WOV reject serving a present ban from there? Combine this moron with Redditz and his spacecraft, and Mickey with his two-bit bottle deposit wins living the dream, and you got one hell of a freak show.

These guys and a few others would be a hit in a circus tent charging fees and offering a prize to anyone that could record a coherent conversation with any of them that lasts longer than 30 seconds.

And youre a fucking degenerate that donates money to the casinos each time you visit. How much are you down lifetime now? How does it feel to be a degenerate and losing your mcdonalds paycheck each week? How many hundreds of thousands are you down now? Oh wait my bad, youre too broke to ever have hundreds of thousands to even lose. I do have to thank you because without idiots like you that donate their money they make from their minimum wage job, i couldnt do what I do.

But yeah, let me know if you ever want my autograph and if you want a legal lesson. Better yet, find the best lawyer in the country and tell him to go head to head with me with every legal topic ive discussed on each forum.

Deuces.

#OneKing

[The Boz]

The nice thing King is here you can say “fuck” and not get suspended for it. I don’t agree with much from you, but at least you can be yourself here.

So fire away and welcome, trust me, anyone here can take it.

[Dan Druff]

Banned blackhole from this thread for trolling.

If you are going to express a difference in opinion, that's fine, but don't make posts attacking APs in general or those interested in the topic being discussed.

Then it just becomes trolling, and I'm going to just ban anyone who routinely engages in that.

blackhole is getting close.

[The Boz]

Shout out to whoever ratted me out. Everytime i post something on the forums thats controversial or meet up with someone or pictures of chips or what not i get backed off the same day, but guess what, you guys cant stop me and never will. Casino executives cant stop me, lawyers cant stop me, railroading judge cant stop me, faggot people who rat me out cant stop me.

I will keep coming back until you illegally trespass me. Isnt that wonderful? Go ahead put cuffs on me and see what happens. You guys have no idea who ur messing with, mark my words. This city is at my mercy and always will be. They will make everything 6-5 before you put me in prison.

Part of what makes the King interesting is his conspiracy theories. While they kill almost any credibility he could have it makes for interesting reading. There are a handful of us who know who he is on here and I know Axel, RS and Max are not going around following you to “out” you. And even Monet, the self admitted least trustworthy, baddest man in Vegas hopefully has better stuff to do than fuck with your livelihood.

So enlighten us if possible on why you think a forum member got you backed off? Do you really believe you are the only guy this should never happen to? Are you really that good in your mind? If so, why haven’t you doubled your roll?

Oh that’s right, the casinos cheat and yet you keep going back. Damn you are truly the sucker, even Blackhole knows he is going to get fucked when he goes to lose every weekend.

[kewlJ]

Oh boy. I know I am going to end up kicking myself for engaging in this thread but...

How did someone "rat" Zenking out that lead to a backoff? Did ZK post his schedule of where he was going to be or something that I missed?

Here is the problem with the self proclaimed "greatest AP/blackjack player ever". He simply doesn't understand how to play the game of advantage play. The game within the game. It isn't enough to actually be a good card counter/blackjack player. You have to be able to play. Be allowed to play. Discover what is and isn't tolerated and allowed.

We play the game on the opponents home court or field. Every game is an 'away' game. And it is even worse than that because the opponent sets the rules AND acts as the referee. A successful blackjack AP and now it seems other AP's, like machine players simply must adjust to this concept. Zenking never has.


There are two facts to blackjack card counting AP that a player must accept.

1.) you lose. We play with a very slim 1%(ish) advantage. Maybe a little more if you can find a way to play less negative rounds and more positive rounds (wonging and table hopping). But still a very slim advantage. And with such a small advantage, there is variance and major swings and you will lose....short-term. But that short-term can be days, weeks, occasionally months at a time. And it can be big chuncks of money ($29k) in a short period and longer recovery. We lose sometimes. That is fact #1.

2.) backoffs, and baring occur. We play against an opponent that doesn't want us to play. And again we play by their rules. And one of those rules is that they can stop us from playing for having done nothing wrong or illegal. For playing completely within the rules and simply winning. So to keep playing you must play within their comfort levels. Things like short sessions, which will result in smaller wins (many more smaller wins as opposed to fewer larger win that someone must answer for) will allow you to play within their comfort level more of the time. You will still get backoffs and occasional barings when you misread a pit person and their comfort level. But you will play more and longer (increase longevity).

Zenking has never learned these two facts. that 1) blackjack AP's will still lose and 2.) backoffs, barings will occur. And because he has never learned these two facts, he blames everyone and I mean everyone else when they occur. Accepting and learning to deal with and minimize these two issue is what makes one a really good blackjack card counting AP. Learning to play the game on the casino's terms and win. Not just self claiming that you are the greatest ever.

[The Boz]

This is all KJ’s fault. ������

[BadBeet]

You can not film people in a casino... obviously if they say you casino personnel would stop you.

Many people do not want to be filmed in a casino.

Someone skipping out on child support caught betting money they told courts they dont have...

Guy out with an escort wife finds out etc...

You can't and shouldn't film in a casino.

Just ask the floor people.

[RS__]

You can not film people in a casino... obviously if they say you casino personnel would stop you.

Many people do not want to be filmed in a casino.

Someone skipping out on child support caught betting money they told courts they dont have...

Guy out with an escort wife finds out etc...

You can't and shouldn't film in a casino.

Just ask the floor people.

What?

[Alan Mendelson]

In general photography is not allowed in any casino HOWVER they look the other way when you are taking "personal photos" including photos of jackpots and selfies or personal photos away from tables.

When I was married at a craps table Caesars provided a photographer for stills and a Videographer for a video but both were very careful about what was shot.

In the rare cases videos are shot in a casino for movies, TV, commercials, warning signs are prominently posted.

When I shot videos of graduations for Infomercials for trade schools we had warning signs posted on all entrance doors.

If you want to shoot a video in a casino and post it on you tube -- as I have done with my royal flush song -- just be aware of your potential liability.