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  2. #42
    I have never seen them give RCs for TP bonuses.

  3. #43
    Originally Posted by skyscanner View Post
    I have never seen them give RCs for TP bonuses.
    I've never seen tier point bonuses except for the usual ones. This is new territory. Wouldn't it be wild if there were also an RC bonus included? But I'm not going so I don't give a fuck. I'm sorry I even bothered to think about it.

  4. #44
    Originally Posted by skyscanner View Post
    I went to Caesar's Palace last night and I found a machine similar to the one depicted on the website of Ak Chin. It has 3, 5 and 10 play and the game with the least variance is BP with a 6/5. I am assuming the one at Ak-Chin can't be any worse than that.6/5 BP yields 96.87% return. Playing 10 hands at 12.5$ will require 4k hands to reach 5,000 TCs. Should be doable in less than 8h. Discarding the royal and getting an EV of 95%, this means an average loss of 2.5K$. For what bankroll do we have a RoR in the single digits though? It's a 10 play...
    You actually need 5600 TCs.

    6/5 bonus sucks. It sucks both for variance and overall payout.

    However, I wouldn't necessarily conclude that the paytable would be the same at Ak-Chin as it is at Caesars. You can actually call into Ak-Chin and perhaps get someone nice enough to go look for you. I did this at Harrah's Rincon in March 2015 prior to going. Asking about paytables is fine. It's not like calling a slot tech/manager and asking about some wrongly-set machine which is currently an advantage play. They are aware that there are plenty of recreational gamblers who care about paytables.

    The royal on that game is 1.99%, meaning you will only return 94.88% on average if you don't hit one.

    Losing 5.12% is $2867 on average, but that's if you don't run bad, which you easily could by failing to get your share of good dealt hands. (I got destroyed at 5x$1 Jacks or Better machines at Tahoe last year, due to this exact problem.)

    Provided the 99.11% and 98.34% machines are really $10/tier, I'd prefer to take my chances on those rather than running a multi-play 6-5 bonus poker.
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  5. #45
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Originally Posted by skyscanner View Post
    I have never seen them give RCs for TP bonuses.
    I've never seen tier point bonuses except for the usual ones. This is new territory. Wouldn't it be wild if there were also an RC bonus included? But I'm not going so I don't give a fuck. I'm sorry I even bothered to think about it.
    Zero chance you're getting RC bonuses.

    The RCs are earned at the time of play.

    The tier bonuses are applied later.

    It's just like the daily tier bonuses. You have never earned RCs on that, either.
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  6. #46
    Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Originally Posted by skyscanner View Post
    I have never seen them give RCs for TP bonuses.
    I've never seen tier point bonuses except for the usual ones. This is new territory. Wouldn't it be wild if there were also an RC bonus included? But I'm not going so I don't give a fuck. I'm sorry I even bothered to think about it.
    Zero chance you're getting RC bonuses.

    The RCs are earned at the time of play.

    The tier bonuses are applied later.

    It's just like the daily tier bonuses. You have never earned RCs on that, either.
    That's right I never earned RC bonuses on those tier point bonuses of 5,000. But this is a 25x bonus of actual tier points earned -- it is not an addition of tier points later. Do you see the difference? This is why I SUGGESTED that someone inquire about it. But in true forum fashion everyone else seems to know the answer. No one wants to ask. Okay... don't ask.

  7. #47
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post

    I've never seen tier point bonuses except for the usual ones. This is new territory. Wouldn't it be wild if there were also an RC bonus included? But I'm not going so I don't give a fuck. I'm sorry I even bothered to think about it.
    Zero chance you're getting RC bonuses.

    The RCs are earned at the time of play.

    The tier bonuses are applied later.

    It's just like the daily tier bonuses. You have never earned RCs on that, either.
    That's right I never earned RC bonuses on those tier point bonuses of 5,000. But this is a 25x bonus of actual tier points earned -- it is not an addition of tier points later. Do you see the difference? This is why I SUGGESTED that someone inquire about it. But in true forum fashion everyone else seems to know the answer. No one wants to ask. Okay... don't ask.
    It is an addition of tier points later.

    You aren't earning the 25x tier credits on that day. You're earning regular tier credits at the time, and sometime later on, they're adding 24x what you earned into your account.

    You aren't getting RCs. Not even worth asking.
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  8. #48
    Well excuuuuse me.

  9. #49
    I'm going to call Ak-Chin tomorrow and ask them about this. Maybe I can talk someone into going and taking a look at the paytables of the multi-play machines, and also having them go over to the $5 DB machines and making sure they're really $10/tier.
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  10. #50
    I'm in the process of obtaining some machine information at Ak-Chin.

    In the meantime, I looked up rooms at both Ak-Chin and the immediate area.

    There ARE rooms available at the hotel for the night of the 26th, but they are very expensive -- about $300+tax, and even as a Seven Stars, they're still $280+tax. They're sold out on the 27th.

    So no thanks.

    Fortunately, there are okayish hotels in nearby areas like Chandler (about 17 miles away, northeast), so that's what I'd be doing if I decide to go. I suppose I could try to negotiate a casino rate and then a comp-after-playing (since I will be cycling a lot of $ in the machines), but these CET properties have always been bitchy about that, where they won't tell you how much you have to play in order to earn it, and they try to refuse you in order to entice you to play more.

    I ran into that shit at Rincon about 4 years ago, and then again at Tahoe 2 years ago.

    Anyway, Rob, are you still planning upon going today?
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  11. #51
    Won't you get a minimum of $50 in comps from your play? Wouldn't that bring the cost of the room down to $230, and compare that to the cost of the hotel 17 miles away. The "foreign" hotel has zero chance of casino comps while you do have a chance for substantial comps at AK Chin. Isn't going to the other hotel penny wise and pound foolish... considering you'll be pumping thousands thru a video poker machine?

  12. #52
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Won't you get a minimum of $50 in comps from your play? Wouldn't that bring the cost of the room down to $230, and compare that to the cost of the hotel 17 miles away. The "foreign" hotel has zero chance of casino comps while you do have a chance for substantial comps at AK Chin. Isn't going to the other hotel penny wise and pound foolish... considering you'll be pumping thousands thru a video poker machine?
    RCs are not "comps". They have other values, and in fact can be exchanged for freeplay (albeit at a lousy rate).

    So, no, I would not want to waste the $56 I earn in RCs on the hotel at Ak-Chin, since I can use it elsewhere at another time for food or whatever else.

    The amount I'd be pumping through the machine is immaterial.

    The question I need to ask myself is, "Is it worth it to me to spend an extra $200 on the Ak-Chin hotel, rather than driving 16 miles from a hotel nearby."

    The answer is a big NO.

    I will be happy to drive 16 miles anywhere at any time if $200 is waiting for me on the other end.

    You do raise a fair point that maybe I'll get the room back-end comped at Ak-Chin, whereas at another hotel there's no chance of that.

    However, I need the hotel more on the 27th than I do the 26th, and Ak-Chin is sold out on the 27th. So it's a moot point. I might ask Ak-Chin if they do have some rooms they're holding back for Seven Stars.
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  13. #53
    Don't you have hundreds if not several thousand dollars of Reward Credits banked? If so, what's the point of using US dollars before using RCs?

  14. #54
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Don't you have hundreds if not several thousand dollars of Reward Credits banked? If so, what's the point of using US dollars before using RCs?
    Because the RCs are worth money?

    I'd rather save them for when I need them -- namely when I stay at the Rio during WSOP, for both food and hotel charges.

    No point to waste hundreds of $ on an Ak-Chin room when I can get a cheap one at a decent hotel 16 miles away.
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  15. #55
    Dan my point is why would you ever spend US dollars before spending RCs?

    Reward Credits come with liabilities including possible devaluation. What's worse for you is that because you have RCs in your "bank" you will have a problem getting comps from a host.

    In fact you have a history of not getting comps and I wonder if it's because you do keep hundreds and hundreds of dollars of Reward Credits banked.

  16. #56
    Two points:

    We're postponing our trip to San Diego until Jan. because our son and his family came in yesterday for a surprise visit to help solve a problem they're facing. (yes, every family has these things now and then--even mine). So I'm sorry Dan I won't be at ak-chin tonight. It's only 65 miles from here but after the first ten miles it's like going thru LA-type rush hour traffic day or night and it's just not worth it since there's no quick back and forth.

    There is another Indian casino maybe 15-20 miles away that you might get a decent rate at. Gila River/Wild Horse Pass. Or you could find something like you're looking at in Chandler etc.

    Too bad you don't have an RV

  17. #57
    Hi Dan:

    I agree it makes sense for you to stay at a local/cheap motel near Ak-Chin. Assuming you have a significant reservoir of Reward Credits, it is not a useful plan to try to get discretionary back end comps. If you recall CET has an annoying requirement that your hard earned Reward Credits be extinguished prior to any allocation of discretionary comps. So you will never be getting a "free" room unless you have an existing marketing offer.

    FAB

  18. #58
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Two points:

    We're postponing our trip to San Diego until Jan. because our son and his family came in yesterday for a surprise visit to help solve a problem they're facing. (yes, every family has these things now and then--even mine). So I'm sorry Dan I won't be at ak-chin tonight. It's only 65 miles from here but after the first ten miles it's like going thru LA-type rush hour traffic day or night and it's just not worth it since there's no quick back and forth.

    There is another Indian casino maybe 15-20 miles away that you might get a decent rate at. Gila River/Wild Horse Pass. Or you could find something like you're looking at in Chandler etc.

    Too bad you don't have an RV
    Let me translate this.
    Rob.Singer has run out of gas money for the month and his son refused to spot him a few bucks because dear old dad still hasn't chipped in on the electricity and WiFi he has been mooching in the driveway. If you had a broke ass camper truck (aka an RV) you would be home by now. No commuting necessary.

    I'm having a hard time believing Caesars will follow thru on the multiplier when and if a couple dozen people do 7 Stars in a day.

  19. #59
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Two points:

    We're postponing our trip to San Diego until Jan. because our son and his family came in yesterday for a surprise visit to help solve a problem they're facing. (yes, every family has these things now and then--even mine). So I'm sorry Dan I won't be at ak-chin tonight. It's only 65 miles from here but after the first ten miles it's like going thru LA-type rush hour traffic day or night and it's just not worth it since there's no quick back and forth.

    There is another Indian casino maybe 15-20 miles away that you might get a decent rate at. Gila River/Wild Horse Pass. Or you could find something like you're looking at in Chandler etc.

    Too bad you don't have an RV
    Let me translate this.
    Rob.Singer has run out of gas money for the month and his son refused to spot him a few bucks because dear old dad still hasn't chipped in on the electricity and WiFi he has been mooching in the driveway. If you had a broke ass camper truck (aka an RV) you would be home by now. No commuting necessary.

    I'm having a hard time believing Caesars will follow thru on the multiplier when and if a couple dozen people do 7 Stars in a day.
    You forgot to add that the wife left me, my retreads on the 35-yr. old camper gave out last month, the law is after me for drunk and disorderly, and my two penis extensions are acting up so I can't just pee anywhere.

    But Dan is welcome to stay at either of our houses if he doesn't mind traffic.

  20. #60
    Rob I think you just made the ultimate challenge: offering Dan to stay at either of your houses. This cannot be passed up by Dan.

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