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  1. #101
    I talked to a very friendly host at my dominant property (Rio) yesterday. I was told that it is our very own Mr Kent Houston who decides about the 7* invitations. He can be reached at 702-777-7820. I left him a voice message, but I do not expect a reply from him until well after the 27th.

    I went to the TR desk today and talked to the supervisor who referred me to another host. The nice man said that in his opinion, reaching 150,000 TPs is the main criterion to be approved for 7* and that in his experience, he has not seen anyone being denied it. I stressed that I had not played much this year and that my 35K TPs come mostly from hospitality spend and promotions. The host said that even if you get denied 7*, you may still have a way to appeal it. He then went back towards the VIP area, while I stayed at the TR desk and asked about our 5X promotion for LV locals (but capped at 25K). On the way back to the casino floor, I overheard the same host and the same TR supervisor saying "That is not going to work, but I could not tell him this".

    This basically confirms what Dan was saying about people with little play this year not being able to reach 7* via the Ak-Chin promotion. I wish they were more frank about it.

    On the other hand, the Orleans is having a very nice promotion, they are giving you between 10-50$ in free play each day, just for slecting a cute penguin when you swipe your card at one of their kiosks. And they are also giving away a breakfast buffet if you earn 1 TC that day, a lunch buffet if you earn 2TCs, and a dinner buffet if you earn 3TCs. Won 10$ in free play and turned that into 5$ in cash and a really nice dinner.

    I feel so sorry about the Rio, it was branded as the locals' casino for so many years, and now the shuttles are gone and they only have the dinner buffet during the week. It is no longer attracting the crowds.

  2. #102
    So Kent Houston is at the Rio. Interesting.

    Here's his linkedin, if anyone cares: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kent-houston-40b9b88

    If Rio is your dominant property, you can pretty much forget getting upgraded to 7* through this Ak-Chin promo, given that we have evidence of Kent Houston already denying someone earlier this year.

    skyscanner, I assume you're not going because of this?
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  3. #103
    I think too many people are going to use this to earn Seven Stars, and that's going to cause Caesars to watch closely for this and deny everyone who primarily earned it this way.

    Diamond has no approval process, so if you're just looking to earn Diamond, then you can run just 600 base tiers and be done with it. Pretty long trip just to earn Diamond, though, unless you're already in the area.

    The more I think about it, the more I think Ak-Chin is expecting people in the area to use it to earn Diamond quickly, which they're totally fine with, since Diamond is pretty much handed out like candy anyway. (You can even get it through various status matches!)

    Seven Stars is a different story, and I think this is just too obvious for anyone to really get away with. I think people like slyfox56 have a decent shot, given that they earned a lot of tier credits already the ol' fashioned way. Everyone else earning the vast majority through this... I just am having a hard time picturing Caesars supervisors approving them.

    Like, they're gonna see people with just $56,000 coin-in wanting Seven Stars, and I can't see a supervisor saying, "Oh yeah, that looks totally fine", unless he's totally out in space and not really looking at anything closely.

    Furthermore, there is some risk involved because:

    1) You may have a hard time getting the "good" machines

    2) Even something like 9/5 jacks will result in a $2240 average loss if you fail to hit a straight flush or royal flush

    3) They may deny your 7* anyway


    Honestly, this is looking less and less appealing.
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  4. #104
    Unfortunately we're not going to know anything until February 2019 when we find out if anyone who scored 150,000 tier points thru this promotion was actually denied Seven Stars.

    Play this promotion at your own risk. But again, outside of the one example mentioned here I have never heard of anyone being denied Seven Stars unless a serious problem was the cause.

    I look forward to seeing the reports in February.

  5. #105
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Unfortunately we're not going to know anything until February 2019 when we find out if anyone who scored 150,000 tier points thru this promotion was actually denied Seven Stars.
    I am confused - why would we need to wait to February to know? Do they typically wait 2 months to let someone know if they are 7*? Also I only need 3900 tier credits to get to 7* with the 25x multiplier so crossing my fingers that will work in my favor since I am going for 2/3 of it rather that the whole thing.

    If you do make 7* in Dec 2018, do you only have until Jan 31, 2019 to use the $500 in comp credits and the trip (asking because this is what my mom is telling me)?

    My “home” casino is Rincon so I am assuming they will be making the decision about me becoming 7* and not Ak-Chin. I have no idea how much discretion each local host manager has in awarding 7*?

  6. #106
    The current Seven Stars runs thru the end of January. Sometime in late January you will be notified about the new Seven Stars membership and program rules.

  7. #107
    Originally Posted by Slyfox56 View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Unfortunately we're not going to know anything until February 2019 when we find out if anyone who scored 150,000 tier points thru this promotion was actually denied Seven Stars.
    I am confused - why would we need to wait to February to know? Do they typically wait 2 months to let someone know if they are 7*? Also I only need 3900 tier credits to get to 7* with the 25x multiplier so crossing my fingers that will work in my favor since I am going for 2/3 of it rather that the whole thing.

    If you do make 7* in Dec 2018, do you only have until Jan 31, 2019 to use the $500 in comp credits and the trip (asking because this is what my mom is telling me)?

    My “home” casino is Rincon so I am assuming they will be making the decision about me becoming 7* and not Ak-Chin. I have no idea how much discretion each local host manager has in awarding 7*?

    No you don't have to wait until the end of January to find out if you got it. The end of January when they come out with the new rules for 2019 Seven Stars is when you'll find out what the benefits are that you'll get for next year, which could be the same as 2018's or could be different if they change them.
    Once the bonus hits your account and you show 150K+ as your 2018 TC balance then ask Rincon for the upgrade. If you don't have a host ask your mom's to be your host.
    When I got mine the first time, which was just with the regular daily bonus, once that daily bonus hit my account my host got the paperwork through and within a few days I had the welcome to Seven Stars email. But mine was weil within the year. If this 25X bonus doesn't get recorded before TR online rolls over to showing 2019 TC balances, then it may be only the casino host that can see your balance.

    But yes provided that all works out and you get Seven Stars as a 2018 start date, then you have a free trip that you have to hurry up and get booked and take before 1/31 to use your airfare and your $500 comp credits.

  8. #108
    Pkspins have you missed the entire discussion about how Seven Stars might no longer be automatic with 150,000 tier points?

  9. #109
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Pkspins have you missed the entire discussion about how Seven Stars might no longer be automatic with 150,000 tier points?
    No.
    It may not be automatic but she won't have to wait until the end of January to find out.
    Per page 4 on here the 25x bonus tier credits count toward 2018. Once those hit her account she can ask the host at her home property, Rincon, where her mother has a long term established relationship with a host, if they can process her upgrade.
    At that point she will find out for her if it works or not.
    Yes, based on the previous discussion about the email one player received from Kent Houston, 150K TCs and clean markers may not be enough any more.
    But she doesn't have to wait until next year's Seven Stars rules come out to have that dialogue with her home property based on her achieving 150K TCs, which is what your post was implying.

  10. #110
    On the documentation for reward tier levels they all usually say "invite only" or "if eligible" for the top tier.

    You can walk up to a Total Rewards counter and get a Diamond card as soon as you hit the tier, but not for 7* according to the booklets.

    MLife is the same with the top tier. Even if you have the points you have to be invited.

    At all of the Caesars properties I've ever been to the full pay JoB 9/6 or Bonus 8/5 and similar games all have a special placard on them that states "This machine awards 1 tier credit for every $25 wagered" or something along those lines.

    Not getting into proper plays etc, but I've counted over a hundred hands without a full house before on Bonus so the 7/5 paytable would not have bothered me...

  11. #111
    The "Seven Stars is invite only" thing has been written in the official documentation for many years, but wasn't known to be enforced until that Kent Houston e-mail was posted this year.

    However, now there is a real concern that they will deny some people, both due to that e-mail and the fact that they highly degraded the program in 2018 by taking away the guaranteed comp rooms. It shows they're moving in the direction of eliminating bonus whores.

    As I said, unless you have already earned a lot of tiers from normal play this year, I would not suggest trying to upgrade to Seven Stars through this promotion.

    You have a better shot in getting your Seven Stars RENEWED this way, but again, if that's your only play in 2018, the odds are against you.
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  12. #112
    I think anyone who achieves 7 star cardholder status through this Ak Chin promotion will have it honored by CET. I fully expect those who participate and reach the 150,000 tc level will get their 7 star trips, $500 dinners and other various benefits associated with being a 7 star. To not do so would make no sense for CET. Once they achieve 7 star and decide to no play CET on all of their subsequent visits I think they will meet the same fate as DD and not be warmly welcomed with free rooms and other free stuff. In doing this promotion IMO one of the things they are trying to do is create additional 7 star players by giving them a taste of it in hopes that in the following year they will chase an additional 150,000 tier credits. But they want them to play in a controlled by them fashion. That's just the way it is and to not accept is like beating your head against the wall. They still have the best casino rewards program out there that I know of for players like me and my wife that like to travel for free to one of their properties.

  13. #113
    Originally Posted by seemoreroyals View Post
    I think anyone who achieves 7 star cardholder status through this Ak Chin promotion will have it honored by CET. I fully expect those who participate and reach the 150,000 tc level will get their 7 star trips, $500 dinners and other various benefits associated with being a 7 star. To not do so would make no sense for CET. Once they achieve 7 star and decide to no play CET on all of their subsequent visits I think they will meet the same fate as DD and not be warmly welcomed with free rooms and other free stuff. In doing this promotion IMO one of the things they are trying to do is create additional 7 star players by giving them a taste of it in hopes that in the following year they will chase an additional 150,000 tier credits. But they want them to play in a controlled by them fashion. That's just the way it is and to not accept is like beating your head against the wall. They still have the best casino rewards program out there that I know of for players like me and my wife that like to travel for free to one of their properties.
    I disagree. This isn't a CET-wide promotion.

    It's something Ak-Chin is doing.

    I think Ak-Chin is mainly doing this to help people get to Diamond for the first time, which is a status CET gives out freely.

    When a bunch of people run up just 5600 base tiers and suddenly want Seven Stars, I have a feeling CET is going to put their foot down and refuse.
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  14. #114
    Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Originally Posted by seemoreroyals View Post
    I think anyone who achieves 7 star cardholder status through this Ak Chin promotion will have it honored by CET. I fully expect those who participate and reach the 150,000 tc level will get their 7 star trips, $500 dinners and other various benefits associated with being a 7 star. To not do so would make no sense for CET. Once they achieve 7 star and decide to no play CET on all of their subsequent visits I think they will meet the same fate as DD and not be warmly welcomed with free rooms and other free stuff. In doing this promotion IMO one of the things they are trying to do is create additional 7 star players by giving them a taste of it in hopes that in the following year they will chase an additional 150,000 tier credits. But they want them to play in a controlled by them fashion. That's just the way it is and to not accept is like beating your head against the wall. They still have the best casino rewards program out there that I know of for players like me and my wife that like to travel for free to one of their properties.
    I disagree. This isn't a CET-wide promotion.

    It's something Ak-Chin is doing.

    I think Ak-Chin is mainly doing this to help people get to Diamond for the first time, which is a status CET gives out freely.

    When a bunch of people run up just 5600 base tiers and suddenly want Seven Stars, I have a feeling CET is going to put their foot down and refuse.
    I guess we will know shortly. Good luck to all those that are giving it a shot. I think the VP machines with decent paytables are going to be just about impossible to get on. Same way with the most desirable reel machines.

  15. #115
    Originally Posted by seemoreroyals View Post
    Once they achieve 7 star and decide to no play CET on all of their subsequent visits I think they will meet the same fate as DD and not be warmly welcomed with free rooms and other free stuff. In doing this promotion IMO one of the things they are trying to do is create additional 7 star players by giving them a taste of it in hopes that in the following year they will chase an additional 150,000 tier credits.
    I was thinking the same way. I don't think a gazillion people will actually go for the 7 stars anyway. But CET won't miss the opportunity to welcome them to the fold in the hopes they keep gambling bigger once started (suckers like me).

    I will be heading there tomorrow.

  16. #116
    Good luck to everyone playing this. In a worst case scenario you might lose $6,000 and find out Caesars is using its ever present "invitation phrase" to deny you Seven Stars.

    In a good scenario you might win some money and get Seven Stars.

    You'll need to push thru about $56,000 of coin in to find out.

    I'm not sure what the minimum bankroll is for getting $56,000 of coin in, but this promotion appears to be your single best shot at getting Seven Stars at the lowest possible cost. So if you really want Seven Stars you MUST take this shot. There are no two ways about it.

    If Caesars comes back at you later and says "no invitation" at least you can say you did take your best shot.

  17. #117
    Originally Posted by Slyfox56 View Post
    Originally Posted by seemoreroyals View Post
    Once they achieve 7 star and decide to no play CET on all of their subsequent visits I think they will meet the same fate as DD and not be warmly welcomed with free rooms and other free stuff. In doing this promotion IMO one of the things they are trying to do is create additional 7 star players by giving them a taste of it in hopes that in the following year they will chase an additional 150,000 tier credits.
    I was thinking the same way. I don't think a gazillion people will actually go for the 7 stars anyway. But CET won't miss the opportunity to welcome them to the fold in the hopes they keep gambling bigger once started (suckers like me).

    I will be heading there tomorrow.
    That's not how they see Seven Stars, though.

    It's not a trick to welcome new gamblers into the fold.

    It's meant to be a status in recognition of their best customers.

    They have gotten irritated in recent years that people are bonus whoring the Seven Stars, and are now apparently making an effort to refuse to approve Seven Stars who don't have the play they expect for it.

    As I said, Slyfox, you have a fair chance because you already earned 50k tier credits the old fashioned way, so they might very well approve you.

    Otherwise, existing lower tiers using this promo to earn the vast majority of their tier credits will likely be rejected.

    Existing Seven Stars renewing it through this promo are kinda in the middle... I could see it going either way.
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  18. #118
    This is my first report from Ak-Chin - I’m now here on the ground.

    There are NO 9/5 JoB in the casino at any denomination. It now makes sense why the host said that all their VP machines gave 1 TP/$10. All the machines with the best pay tables that were 1 TP/$25 (as listed on VPFREE2) have all been removed from the casino. The best available JoB pay table at any denomination is 8/5 JoB. There are approximately 20 8/5 $5 JoB machines scattered throughout the casino. I did not check DBP or the multi-hand machines as those are too high of variance for me and I don’t play them.

    The 25x promotion is not invitation only -just swipe your card and you’re eligible. One odd little wrinkle is that you can start playing at 6AM to start earning the 25x TP but you can only swipe your card starting at 8 AM. I plan to be down in the casino by 7 AM and playing on a 8/5 $5 JoB machine.

    It was fairly quiet in the casino tonight and no real buzz about the promotion tomorrow. I talked to a couple of floor people who thought it would be very busy tomorrow. Wish me luck getting on a machine!

    One other oddity at least to me as a newer player was there were quite a few 10 credit max VP machines in the casino and I have no idea as to the payout as I didn’t have any way to calculate it or look it up. Something else odd that happened was that I couldn’t get the WoO pay table calculator to work even though I have used it extensively in the past. Maybe it is just not working in general right now?

    If there is anything you have a burning desire to know (pays on other machine types etc) let me know.

  19. #119
    The 10 credit max bet and higher usually are like that to hide a bad pay table... (or I also think to make it sound like you are winning more when it is an even money win and 10 credits or 100 credits roll up)... 10 credit the royal should say 8000, straight flush 500, full house if it is 8 normally would be 40 for 5 credit and 80 for 10 credit... If it is 70 then it is 7, 60 for 6 etc... If you look at the pay table for 5 coins it should match and just multiply from there... This also helps them with for example a $0.25 machine betting 10 credits is really like a $0.50 machine betting 5.

    Me personally, if I had a choice between 8/6 JoB and 7/5 bonus, I'd go for the bonus poker... Not a huge different on the return percentage... If you do hit a 4x23or4 or 4aces it will pay a little more which is nice.

    For lower variance find a multi play machine... $1 video poker single line ($5 bet) is going to go faster than a 100 line $0.01 machine ($5 bet).

  20. #120
    Originally Posted by Slyfox56 View Post
    This is my first report from Ak-Chin - I’m now here on the ground.

    There are NO 9/5 JoB in the casino at any denomination. It now makes sense why the host said that all their VP machines gave 1 TP/$10. All the machines with the best pay tables that were 1 TP/$25 (as listed on VPFREE2) have all been removed from the casino. The best available JoB pay table at any denomination is 8/5 JoB. There are approximately 20 8/5 $5 JoB machines scattered throughout the casino. I did not check DBP or the multi-hand machines as those are too high of variance for me and I don’t play them.

    The 25x promotion is not invitation only -just swipe your card and you’re eligible. One odd little wrinkle is that you can start playing at 6AM to start earning the 25x TP but you can only swipe your card starting at 8 AM. I plan to be down in the casino by 7 AM and playing on a 8/5 $5 JoB machine.

    It was fairly quiet in the casino tonight and no real buzz about the promotion tomorrow. I talked to a couple of floor people who thought it would be very busy tomorrow. Wish me luck getting on a machine!

    One other oddity at least to me as a newer player was there were quite a few 10 credit max VP machines in the casino and I have no idea as to the payout as I didn’t have any way to calculate it or look it up. Something else odd that happened was that I couldn’t get the WoO pay table calculator to work even though I have used it extensively in the past. Maybe it is just not working in general right now?

    If there is anything you have a burning desire to know (pays on other machine types etc) let me know.
    Thanks for the report, Slyfox.

    I ended up electing not to go, given that it's 450 miles each way for me, plus I was afraid they would not honor a Seven Stars status earned this way, plus I would only get it for one year anyway (as opposed to two if I did so in January!)

    Can you find the 99.11% Double Bonus machine for $5? Or is that gone, too?

    It's 5:15am right now. I suggest you get there before 6am, or the "good" machines will all be gone. I think 7 is too late. Hopefully you see this in time, as that's only 45 minutes away.

    See if you can find decent $1 multiplay machines. That may be your best bet, if the paytables are okay.
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