Alan... name one casino game where Ace is low only...
Not counting Razz or poker games. Something on the floor or video machine.
Alan... name one casino game where Ace is low only...
Not counting Razz or poker games. Something on the floor or video machine.
I never said there was a game where ace is low only. I said in every poker game an ace can be high or low.
Many here not playing with a full deck too.Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson
Can be used in a high or low hand does not change the overall ranking of the card.
A2345 ... when not uses in the specific A2345 wheel the Ace is High... if you have A2346 you have Ace high.
That is unless you're playing RAZZ where you would have a 64 low.
Here's the full photo from Red Rock's Facebook page. He was dealt three cards.
https://scontent-lax3-2.xx.fbcdn.net...1b&oe=5C9E87C3
That is freaking beautiful... It really is...
8/6 Bonus Poker Deluxe = 98.4928%
8/6 Bonus Poker Deluxe w/ Reversible Royal @ 217632 Credits = 100.8186%
Is it beautiful as in a bad play or a good play?Originally Posted by BadBeet
If he/she plays VP like you do it was a VERY BAD play but he/she got lucky and hit it.Originally Posted by Alan MendelsonIs it beautiful as in a bad play or a good play?Originally Posted by BadBeet
I wouldn't consider the play good or bad. If was was +EV, you are playing correctly, and if they are getting free play, comps, invites etc. I don't see anything wrong with putting in a little time trying to get lucky knowing you have a long term advantage. It's just not considered a good play by most AP's standards, but for all we know, an AP hit it.
Well written answer Axel. You covered every possible answer in that response. One of the best examples of double talk (or is it multiple talk?) that I ever read. LOL
I said it was beautiful what the fuck is your problem?Originally Posted by Alan MendelsonIs it beautiful as in a bad play or a good play?Originally Posted by BadBeet
I also pointed out that he was playing in a positive expected return situation... So for the majority of you fucktards looking for +EV situations with a 100.8186% expected return I don't understand why you all were not lining up to play...
That positive expected return is of little or no value short term. If you sit and play that machine for several hours, it really doesn't matter. Now if you chase similar positive plays regularly on a day to day basis, arguably it is worthwhile. That is something that the pros forget----that nominal + is of little value short term. So if this is the only game a casual player chases, it just doesn't have the same value as it has to a pro that plays day after day.
It reminds me of something RS said to me about having a +EV on a football game recently. If I was betting games on a regular basis and had a great number of such plays, that might be good. But to say I should have bet that one game (rather than try to middle it) because I had (maybe) a + EV, as I knew about the QB injury before the linemakers, I still don't think that matters. Not on one game where anything can happen.
I think mickeycrimm should be the first to answer you.Originally Posted by BadBeetI said it was beautiful what the fuck is your problem?Originally Posted by Alan MendelsonIs it beautiful as in a bad play or a good play?Originally Posted by BadBeet
I also pointed out that he was playing in a positive expected return situation... So for the majority of you fucktards looking for +EV situations with a 100.8186% expected return I don't understand why you all were not lining up to play...
Video poker pros don't play in the short term. Even the cockamamie's like Rob and Alan are playing in the long term even though they wrongly think they are playing in the short term. All the short term plays add up to the long term.Originally Posted by regnis
"More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ
Mickeycrimm I'm sure I'm playing in the long term. But results are measured by the session or day or week or month or year... fiscal or calendar. I don't know how those fit into any "long term" scenario but I'm willing to listen to an explanation. Go ahead, please.
Mick that is exactly what I was saying. My point being that if you are not playing long term and just sit down for a couple hours to try for that sequential, that meager +EV is meaningless.Originally Posted by mickeycrimmVideo poker pros don't play in the short term. Even the cockamamie's like Rob and Alan are playing in the long term even though they wrongly think they are playing in the short term. All the short term plays add up to the long term.Originally Posted by regnis
The reason this isn’t a good play by most APs’ standards is because the N0 is too high. It sure doesn’t help it’s less than 1% edge, which doesn’t give you much room in case of running bad.
#FreeTyde
Man are you guys confused. If anyone sits down and plays any particular vp play--whether it's +1%, +2.5% -2% or whatever, you're doing nothing more than making a short-term play within that machine's long-term life. And if you hop around to casinos all the time only playing what you call "plays with an edge" on these machines--thereby concocting the fallible but feel-good scenario that you are somehow always playing in "positive play/long-term" territory--you are only fooling yourselves and you know it.
At no time is anyone ever always playing with an advantage over any machine, regardless of the "theoretical". You simply enter into a machine's life cycle on a session-by-session basis, and HOPE you are there during a positive portion of that cycle. The overall pay table expectation has absolutely nothing to do with the relatively miniscule amount of time you are playing your session.
So to make believe an AP "only plays when they have a theoretical edge" and that they and everybody else only plays in the "long-term" when we have zero idea of where any particular machine resides at within its life cycle, is both misleading, misguided, and is extremely disingenuous.
The reason a player such as myself has been so successful playing mostly slightly negative games is because I'm educated enough--and far more than most of you--to understand AND ACCEPT the reality of the situation that vp players face. That Doctrine states, as much as most self-proclaimed "AP" hate to agree with it, that "No current hand, session, or machine has anything at all to do with any hand, session, or machine that has been dealt and/or played before, or is yet to bet dealt and/or played". IE, every session any vp player ever plays is always and only a short-term endeavor.
There is no "grind it out" ap-scenario that scares any casino (thus, the CONSTANT ap-luring promotions) or that makes any kind of sense. If you're gonna play with no specific strategy like mine, you play intelligently and a lot, and hope that good luck takes its place more often on the good part of the Bell Curve than bad luck does. And that is the only way any regular player has a chance to win over time--recreational or pro or whatever.
You people need to wise up. You toss around all the simple math as if YOU'RE the ones who've come up with it. Wake up dummies--the CASINOS came up with it first, and they use it automatically--and not systematically.
You people are only fooling yourselves.
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I recently was put on a play by an alleged AP who made me swear to secrecy in an attempt to convince me how wrong I am about AP’s.
Combined with the casinos promotion I should average approximately $65.00 per hour. Even if you were paying me $65.00 cash per hour regardless of the outcome out of your pocket, I wouldn’t want to do it. I did it just to see if the math is what they say it is.
I played as fast as I could, and after my first day on this play I put in about 8 hours minus lots of piss breaks and dinner. Totally fatigued I called it a day and got a full night sleep ready to continue the following day. After another 9.5-hour day of grinding my ass off I closed out after including what I earned with the promotion totally down $2,325.00 dollars. If I can’t convert the free play into cash when I get it that number could get worse.
He said I didn’t give it a fair chance and needed to play more.
Blackhole I'm expecting you will be told two things:
1. It was a long term play and variance went against you in the short term
2. You played incorrectly
Thanks for posting.
So he went into panic mode after discovering that the reality did not match ap-theory. Not surprising. Just "keep playing" after the initial SIXTEEN HOURS OF PLAY and you'll get lucky. Another big surprise.Originally Posted by blackhole
Any more doubts about the how and why so-called "AP's" are all legends in their own minds?
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