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    I downloaded the current website version of the Boyd slot club rules and it doesn't include the wording about advantage players that mickeycrimm posted about. Does anyone have a copy of the rules showing that text or is there a new link to it?

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    This rap says they won't include some games, and we all know what that means. Many casinos do this for certain types of promotions. So the addition of the part about AP's was frivolous.

    It also says certain "known AP's" within the Boyd system would be "notified in advance" of their disqualification. So with the inimitable collection of self-proclaimed ap's here or anywhere, how about someone put up their disqualification letter that we may judge their prowess?

    And what kind of social LOSER spends Christmas Day inside of a casino anyway??

  4. #4
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post

    And what kind of social LOSER spends Christmas Day inside of a casino anyway??
    Ahem. One that likes a free turkey/ham buffet? It was either that or come to your place Rob.

  5. #5
    Originally Posted by Moses View Post
    It was either that or come to your place Rob.
    Pahrump - a pum pum. (lyrics from Little Drummer Boy)

  6. #6
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by Moses View Post
    It was either that or come to your place Rob.
    Pahrump - a pum pum. (lyrics from Little Drummer Boy)
    O Holy Night. Dang, I never got my Christmas card from Norm this year. Did you? lol

  7. #7
    Originally Posted by Moses View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post

    And what kind of social LOSER spends Christmas Day inside of a casino anyway??
    Ahem. One that likes a free turkey/ham buffet? It was either that or come to your place Rob.
    Rob is the only turkey at his place.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  8. #8
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Rob is the only turkey at his place.
    My Dad used to say, "there is big ole good ones and good ole big ones." O wait. He was talking about the best women. Sage advice to a 12 year old.

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    Thank you. Which promotion is this about?

  10. #10
    The new rule applies to all their promotions and drawings.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

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    Forgive me if I'm off topic. First, a quick story. Then a question. I was sitting at a machine a couple of Saturdays ago because there was one particular game I was interested in watching and that seat gave me the perfect view. Cocktail waitress comes up, I order a beer, tip her a buck. She comes back and says "if you want you're next drink free, you're going to have to play the machine." So I put in a $20. Got down to my last $4.58 and figured "what the hell, I just paid $20 for this beer." Well, it hits and I'm hoping I get my $20 back, then by the time it stopped, the math for the credits done quickly in my head indicated I'd more that doubled my investment with a $45 return. Then I realize ticket read $450 and was happier than a pig in poop.

    So I have another beer, tip the waitress $20, and goes cash my ticket. When I come back, there is a couple looking at the machine. We had a brief convo and they said they go around looking at machines that have just paid off. But I didn't think too ask them so I'll ask you guys. Is a machine that just paid big a good thing or a bad thing?

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    Originally Posted by Moses View Post
    Forgive me if I'm off topic. First, a quick story. Then a question. I was sitting at a machine a couple of Saturdays ago because there was one particular game I was interested in watching and that seat gave me the perfect view. Cocktail waitress comes up, I order a beer, tip her a buck. She comes back and says "if you want you're next drink free, you're going to have to play the machine." So I put in a $20. Got down to my last $4.58 and figured "what the hell, I just paid $20 for this beer." Well, it hits and I'm hoping I get my $20 back, then by the time it stopped, the math for the credits done quickly in my head indicated I'd more that doubled my investment with a $45 return. Then I realize ticket read $450 and was happier than a pig in poop.

    So I have another beer, tip the waitress $20, and goes cash my ticket. When I come back, there is a couple looking at the machine. We had a brief convo and they said they go around looking at machines that have just paid off. But I didn't think too ask them so I'll ask you guys. Is a machine that just paid big a good thing or a bad thing?
    No machine is hot. No machine is cold. No machine is due to hit. Per the strategy used the odds always remain the same. If the chance of a full house is 1 in 90 and you hit one the chance that you will hit one on the next hand is 1 in 90. This also applies to all other hands you can hit.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

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    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    No machine is hot. No machine is cold. No machine is due to hit. Per the strategy used the odds always remain the same. If the chance of a full house is 1 in 90 and you hit one the chance that you will hit one on the next hand is 1 in 90. This also applies to all other hands you can hit.
    Thanks Mick. Another question. There was this dealer they'd always bring in to cool me off. He was very good at his job. Hence, not someone you soon forget.

    I noticed his wife would watch other machine players during his shift of dealing blackjack. Then, after his shift, he changed clothes and they'd go around and play certain machines. She'd point and he'd check it out, play a few spins and go on to the next. I only noticed because he kicked my butt. I suppose they had a system? But then, it must not be too good or he wouldn't be dealing cards.

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    My opinion would be generally there is no hot or cold machine like others UNLESS its one of the Must Hit Machines.. Those Must Hit Machines are notoriously streaky.. Once they hit the odds drop significantly of another minor hit for quite awhile So yes in general it avgs out but I believe the Must Hit Machines are the ones that fit the moniker of being either due to hit or if they just hit keep on walking

  15. #15
    Twilight zone.


    Moses,

    What year and casino did they bring in a cooler?

  16. #16
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Twilight zone.


    Moses,

    What year and casino did they bring in a cooler?
    Circus Circus. Probably 20 years ago. They eventually 86ed me. But coolers still exist in pitch games. I can point them out to you. Perhaps not as subtle as they used to be though.

  17. #17
    Originally Posted by Moses View Post

    But coolers still exist in pitch games. I can point them out to you.
    So, Moses just to be clear - if you don't mind me asking - you are saying that casinos believe in and utilize "coolers"; dealers (or other players) who can cause a winning player or winning table to start losing.

    and they really believe they have ability to do this?

    and how about you? do you believe it? what are their techniques to accomplish this? how do they do it?



    Thanks
    please don't feed the trolls

  18. #18
    Originally Posted by Half Smoke View Post
    Originally Posted by Moses View Post

    But coolers still exist in pitch games. I can point them out to you.
    So, Moses just to be clear - if you don't mind me asking - you are saying that casinos believe in and utilize "coolers" dealers (or other players) who can cause a winning player or winning table to start losing.

    and they really believe they have ability to do this?
    Just to be clear. I'm talking hand shuffled pitch games. Not too long ago I was watching a guy play $1k a hand. He had 30K in chips on the table. No I wasn't spectating. He came up to my table with a partner. So I gave him the right of way. He quickly ran it up to $40K. Then a sudden dealer change. The new dealer was giving less than 50% pen. But the guy was too concerned about beating the house with him and his partners betting scheme too notice. He lost it all. He even mentioned "hey, you were my dealer last time I came here."

    Get a clue dude. The guy kicked your ass last week and then suddenly shows up this week. There were like 20 tables going both times. What are the odds?

    Originally Posted by Half Smoke View Post
    and how about you? do you believe it? what are their techniques to accomplish this. how do they do it?
    Yes, I've had it happen to me many times. Shortening pen is very common. One time, after a dealer change, the new guy was egging me on to bet more. So I didn't. He'd say "but there are still plenty of tens." I figured I was in the middle of some sort of set up. At the shuffle, I ask where are all the 10s? Evidently, he couldn't resist showing me his skill. He turned the deck over and spread out the cards. All the 10s were at the bottom. I thought WTF and took a restroom break to absorb what I'd just witnessed.

    I come back to the table and another player sat down with black chips playing back and forth between one and two hands. He could not win a hand. He said after awhile and losing about $5k "jump in, maybe the cards will change." I answered, "no, I'm waiting for my wife to call and we are going to dinner." So I watched him get pummeled by the bouncing tens. By that I mean, he wasn't getting a 10. So he swipe and get a ten to bust or 19 at best. He double and not get a ten. He ask again, "you sure you don't want to play"? I said "no thanks, tens are at the bottom." Dealer immediately shuffled and gave me a look that would kill. I didn't care, it's not like he was capable of kicking my ass or something.
    Last edited by Moses; 12-27-2018 at 12:25 PM.

  19. #19
    I looked over the language in the promotion rules. It appears this is for the 11x multiplier days. If you follow "the letter of the law" then anyone playing correct strategy on any full pay game including 25-cents 8/5 Bonus Poker could be impacted.

    I doubt that's the case. My GUESS and I am emphasizing GUESS because that's what it is, is that Boyd added this language as a new "catch all phrase" to establish it's boundaries.

    I doubt Boyd will take action against any player on its properties playing full pay video poker using correct strategy because they'd have to throw out nearly all of their players at the Suncoast, for example, which is loaded with locals who seem to always be on the full pay games and playing correct strategy. That's what you find at these locals casinos.

  20. #20
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    I looked over the language in the promotion rules. It appears this is for the 11x multiplier days. If you follow "the letter of the law" then anyone playing correct strategy on any full pay game including 25-cents 8/5 Bonus Poker could be impacted.

    I doubt that's the case. My GUESS and I am emphasizing GUESS because that's what it is, is that Boyd added this language as a new "catch all phrase" to establish it's boundaries.

    I doubt Boyd will take action against any player on its properties playing full pay video poker using correct strategy because they'd have to throw out nearly all of their players at the Suncoast, for example, which is loaded with locals who seem to always be on the full pay games and playing correct strategy. That's what you find at these locals casinos.
    How the hell would you know if they are playing correct strategy? I'm 100% certain you have no idea what the correct strategy is for any casino VP game.

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