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  1. #41
    First off, I never said that my goal with this site was traffic. I don't know where KewlJ is getting that.

    Regarding whether Rob is a welcher, I wouldn't go that far. He would be a welcher if he were to accept the bet, have his penis measured, lose the bet, and refuse to pay.

    Here, Rob claimed he would make the bet, and then when someone was actually willing, Rob inserted insane terms to get out of it.

    Definitely worthy of criticism and mocking, but let's face -- no one expected Rob to actually make a bet for $100k that his dick was 9.5 inches unless by some fluke it actually was.

    So it's not like someone here thought money was coming to them, and then Rob stiffed them.
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  2. #42
    Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    First off, I never said that my goal with this site was traffic. I don't know where KewlJ is getting that.
    KewlJ said that because it is the only thing that makes any sense based on your actions and inactions. If you don't care about the traffic that a troll like Rob Singer brings, then can you explain why you allowed Singer back after banning him for trolling?

    And when you did allow him back you did so under very strict (supposedly) conditions, of which you have not enforced. And because you have not enforced them Singer has not only gone right back to where he was, but far beyond. He now announces that his intent is to be disruptive, troll, insult and attack.

    So your actions and inaction and going back on YOUR word, not once but twice, when you banned him and when you refuse to enforce the conditions you set when you allowed him back leads one to believe 1 of 2 things. Either you want the traffic and are willing to put up with one of the internet's biggest trolls to get it, or somebody has some compromising pictures of you. If there is another explanation, please share it.

  3. #43
    Of course you want the traffic Dan. It's the same reason you haven't stopped all the trolling here. You lied.

  4. #44
    Rob is a cancer on the site. Notice how nice things are here while he is "away" until Jan. 3rd. Upon his return I'm going to block him. HE'S A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME. But blocking him doesn't alleviate the problem much. When you block someone and they make a post you see a message that says the person you blocked just made a post. What the hell is that? When you block someone you just want to forget about them but you are reminded anyway everytime they make a post.

    Then there is the business of starting a serious and/or informational/educational thread. It's sun come up sure that Rob will jump in and shit all over the thread. When you do something constructive for the forum it's just not a good feeling to have Rob come in and shit all over it. It's the most damaging thing that is done to this site. And I will get the message that the person I have blocked has just made a post in the thread. In that case I will have to read it and report it to Dan to get Singer's posts removed and block him from the thread. But by the time all that is done the damage has already been inflicted. Everyone has read Singer's bullshit already.

    So it's really just a bad situation. Singer is allowed to harass everyone at will. Sure, he gets pitched out of threads but it's always after the damage is done and there are more threads for him to destroy.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  5. #45
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Of course you want the traffic Dan. It's the same reason you haven't stopped all the trolling here. You lied.
    You are a funny person to criticize this, given how you let Rob troll the forum for years while you were in charge.
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  6. #46
    Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Of course you want the traffic Dan. It's the same reason you haven't stopped all the trolling here. You lied.
    You are a funny person to criticize this, given how you let Rob troll the forum for years while you were in charge.
    Constrain him to his own Rob's corner. Problem solved, Seriously. This way he can't interfere with other peoples threads and yet people can get their dose of Rob if they wish. Then we will see who engages with him because they have to VS because they want to.

  7. #47
    Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Of course you want the traffic Dan. It's the same reason you haven't stopped all the trolling here. You lied.
    You are a funny person to criticize this, given how you let Rob troll the forum for years while you were in charge.
    Wrong. I suspended and blocked Rob. And frankly he was on his best behavior compared to the crap that goes on now. AND THERE WAS NO OTHER TROLLING HERE. This was a site for discussion and information when I ran it. But I turned it over to you when the trolling started. I trusted you when you said you'd control it... but you let it take over.

    Look at the member list Dan. Look at the hundreds of members who used to post here.

    YOU killed this site. Absentee landlords become slum lords all the time, don't they?

    There were no anti Gay or anti Semetic comments when I ran this site BECAUSE I DELETED THEM AND DELETED THEM PROMPLTLY. If you delete them it's days after they are posted when the damage is done.

    And there were no discussions about penis size or having someone's wife perform sex acts.
    Last edited by Alan Mendelson; 12-26-2018 at 05:10 AM.

  8. #48
    Talk about revisionist history, Alan!

    Rob was a habitual and routine troll, and you only banned him for short periods of time.

    It is absurd for you to imply that this site was mostly trolling-free when you were in charge.

    Furthermore, things were so bad that you were about to shut it down, hence why you transferred it to me.

    I have deleted a ton of messages here which have been inappropriate, and banned people from threads when necessary.

    Still, I like this forum to be mostly free speech.

    Not for traffic, but because that's my style of moderation.
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  9. #49
    The content of the forum speaks the truth.

  10. #50
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    The content of the forum speaks the truth.
    Quit your bitching, you gave the site up so don’t cry about how Dan runs it now.

  11. #51
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Of course you want the traffic Dan. It's the same reason you haven't stopped all the trolling here. You lied.
    You are a funny person to criticize this, given how you let Rob troll the forum for years while you were in charge.
    Wrong. I suspended and blocked Rob. And frankly he was on his best behavior compared to the crap that goes on now. AND THERE WAS NO OTHER TROLLING HERE. This was a site for discussion and information when I ran it. But I turned it over to you when the trolling started. I trusted you when you said you'd control it... but you let it take over.

    Look at the member list Dan. Look at the hundreds of members who used to post here.

    YOU killed this site. Absentee landlords become slum lords all the time, don't they?

    There were no anti Gay or anti Semetic comments when I ran this site BECAUSE I DELETED THEM AND DELETED THEM PROMPLTLY. If you delete them it's days after they are posted when the damage is done.

    And there were no discussions about penis size or having someone's wife perform sex acts.
    Alan, you always allowed Rob to troll and harass everyone else but you got pissed when he trolled you. I can't remember what you suspended Rob for the first time but the second time you suspended him was because of his criticism of your gambling habits. Rob was the first to criticize you for it. But when you seen you were outnumbered on the "two dice problem," you were in the 1 in 6 camp while everyone else was in the 1 in 11 camp, you lifted Rob's suspension because you knew he would troll the 1 in 11 crowd. You wanted someone on your side on the issue so you forgot why you suspended him and let him back. And he just recently criticized you again for your gambling habits.

    I personally don't care what your gambling habits are. That's your business. Las Vegas is a great place to retire to as there is a lot of entertainment options. Always something to do 24/7. I hope you are enjoying it.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  12. #52
    Well Mickey, if you're happy with the way things are now there's no need to criticize me.

  13. #53
    Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post

    Still, I like this forum to be mostly free speech.
    Free speech does not include Gay bashing, racism, libel, anti Semitism, pornography and just bad taste.

    You're a whimp with the backbone of a banana. You can't take a stand. So drown in you're own filth. You're a has been. Adios. All of you. (But I will say it again, I have new respect for kewlj.)

  14. #54
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post

    Still, I like this forum to be mostly free speech.
    Free speech does not include Gay bashing, racism, libel, anti Semitism, pornography and just bad taste.

    You're a whimp with the backbone of a banana. You can't take a stand. So drown in you're own filth. You're a has been. Adios. All of you. (But I will say it again, I have new respect for kewlj.)
    Alan really gone?

    It's a Christmas Miracle. But like all Christmas Miracles, you realize they were just BS on the 26th. And I'm sure Alan will be back.

  15. #55
    Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    First off, I never said that my goal with this site was traffic. I don't know where KewlJ is getting that.

    Regarding whether Rob is a welcher, I wouldn't go that far. He would be a welcher if he were to accept the bet, have his penis measured, lose the bet, and refuse to pay.

    Here, Rob claimed he would make the bet, and then when someone was actually willing, Rob inserted insane terms to get out of it.

    Definitely worthy of criticism and mocking, but let's face -- no one expected Rob to actually make a bet for $100k that his dick was 9.5 inches unless by some fluke it actually was.

    So it's not like someone here thought money was coming to them, and then Rob stiffed them.
    Stiffed them, HA, was that intended?


    No I don't think Singer screwed me over because I knew he would never take the bet for multiple reasons, the least of which is he couldn't win. But I do also believe it showed who and what he is, a total piece of shit that is allowed to say anything and everything here with Dan's Free Speech policy. I will admit I don't understand why Dan unbanned him, set rules and then allowed him to break them. And I don't know why Dan banned him the first time since I wasn't here then and don't feel like researching it.
    Is the Free Speech thing a recent change or did he do something so bad that it went beyond Dan's FS thoughts?

    And Alan complaining is almost funny because he does the same stuff over and over again just for a reaction. Most of us agree there is no way Alan is as stupid and dumb about Gambling issues and VP as he comes off as. it's a show for attention and to get the conversation going.


    And it's obvious Dan isn't looking for revenue from the site or we would be looking at ad's. Easy money would be available to him just for putting up a few banner ads for online casinos. As for why he does this and deals with all this shit, no clue on my end.

  16. #56
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post

    Still, I like this forum to be mostly free speech.
    Free speech does not include Gay bashing, racism, libel, anti Semitism, pornography and just bad taste.

    You're a whimp with the backbone of a banana. You can't take a stand. So drown in you're own filth. You're a has been. Adios. All of you. (But I will say it again, I have new respect for kewlj.)
    There's a lot I could say here, but I won't.

    Recall that Rob was repeatedly making fun of someone for having a dead wife, and you allowed it.

    Now you are angry that there are people here who don't like you, and they make negative comments.about some of your posts.

    I have tried my best to give you extra respect here, and keep those who dislike you under control, but I guess that's not good enough.

    You seem to want the ability to make controversial posts without others being able to criticize you. That's not going to happen.

    It is up to you if you wish to keep participating.
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  17. #57
    Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post

    Still, I like this forum to be mostly free speech.
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    The content of the forum speaks the truth.
    The time when Alan owned and ran the forum was before my time here. I only know what I have read after the fact and a bit about the Arci situation that I went back and read. I suspect Alan is remembering that time as different (better) than it really was, because he tends to have selective memory about some things.

    BUT, it is completely irrelevant what the forum once was. The fact is that Alan is correct that what the forum now is speaks for itself. It is a troll fest shithole! It is not all this Rob Singer person's fault, others including myself contribute to that, mostly responding to attacks, but it all starts with Rob Singer person and it all comes back to the simple fact that Dan not only allows this environment but encourages it with his lack of action.


    Come on Dan Druff, this shit that you allow IS NOT FREE SPEECH. I will give you that Rob Singer's claims, false, completely void of any mathematical principals and possibilities and I believe intentionally for the purpose to mislead other members/players does fall under free speech. I can accept that you allow that as long as we are allowed to challenge these ridiculous and impossible claims each and every time they are made. But when such challenges to these claims are made and Rob strikes back with these nasty personal attacks that is NOT free speech.

    Nor when he starts conversations like he did with the penis challenge, that are not only outrageous, but clearly trolling. He never intended to follow through with this wager. Everyone, including you Dan knows that. So that is just trolling.

    So Alan is right and I rarely get to say that. The content of this forum speaks for itself and it is saying loud and clear this is a troll site. Is that really what you want Dan?

    I have been waiting, hoping, even trying to pressure you Dan to act more reasonable and turn this site in a different direction than this troll fest shithole. And maybe the problem is that THIS is the site that you WANT. I know I threaten to leave, probably half dozen times now, only to return some time later, because I having been banned at WoV and one of the top blackjack sites, don't have many options to participate and share my experiences. But this is crazy. There just is no reason for me or anyone else to participate here unless you are someone that just enjoy trolls and trolling.

    As we go into a new year, if you Dan Druff, won't re-evaluate the direction this forum is to go, I have no choice but to either find somewhere else or stop participating everywhere, which is probably what I should have done long ago. I know that may not mean much being that I have stated my intention to leave numerous times, but I swear on my late partner, which is sacred to me, that I am not going to continue into a new year under these conditions. This site, as it stands has nothing to do with legitimate gambling or casino discussion.
    Last edited by kewlJ; 12-26-2018 at 11:02 AM.

  18. #58
    There is one other thing I want to say about this Rob Singer person and situation. I would never out or doxx an AP, no matter how I felt about them personally because the nature of advantage play and advantage players is that the very industry we play against wants to identify us and stop us from playing. I would never do that to an AP, whether he/she be a professional or recreational player. AND I carry that practice forward to non AP players. They too have a right to privacy if they chose.

    I did not out or doxx this Rob Singer person, others did. But I view it as I view hole-carding. While I don't seek out those opportunities and that information, I will not ignore it or pretend not to know it when it occurs. So while others have provided this Rob Singer persons real name, I looked into who he really is. And I implore others to do so as well. Because the fact is that nothing about his online persona is true or real. He is not some well educated, millionaire living a luxurious retirement after working an executive career. None of that is true. His real history is full of fraud, evictions, bankruptcies, legal judgements, welfare fraud.

    This is only relevant because of the claims that he makes, like winning a million dollars playing a progressive betting system with stop limits. I can't prove that isn't true. But I can prove it is almost mathematical impossible. And I can look at the other information available, this persons real history of fraud, lying, dishonesty and draw my own conclusions. And that is what I am asking all of you to do. Examine all the information available. And the information says this guy is a fraud and lying troll.

  19. #59
    I wonder what Blackhole thinks of all this? He must be too busy in Tahoe to comment.

    Que up the "I have a life and ……." excuse on why he didn't post over the Holidays.

  20. #60
    Alan, Lets remember what a ghost town this forum was becoming with you as the owner.. You lost your right to any say how this forum is run or anythingelse when you sold it.. If you dont like it you can feel free to not let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.. Theres shit you've posted Ive found laughable and useless as well but out of respect for you Ive not said a word.. I more often lurk then post on the forum but seriously you've jumped the shark with some of your AP shit you've posted..

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