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Thread: Mickey Honest Abe or a serious case of mythomania

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    Recently Mickey mistook comments made by Axel and quickly responded calling out Axel as a complete fraud / crook. Mickey even went as far as telling Axel he was a disgrace to the alleged AP community.

    Of course, Mickey as the right to say whatever he wants, but since he has been a member here, he past praise on Axel always backing up any of his claims and mentioned him several times as one of the top AP’s in this alleged AP community.

    I don’t want to have to go through 4,500 posts from Mickey to confirm this fact. Members know exactly what I’m talking about, and of course could waddle through his posts to see for themselves.

    It appears Mickey is straight up with his two-bit traveling strategy combined with his two-bit slot play. It’s all an interesting contribution to the site, showing how an AP two-bit plan could work for some people with low esteem.

    We all know there is lots of bullshit being thrown around on gambling forums. But, when a member who endlessly calls for banning other members for not agreeing with or challenging his alleged claims, then turns around and contradicts everything he’s been saying for years, at the least owes everyone here he was bullshitting an apology.

    This is what Mickey said to Axel after years of praise.

    “Fuck off candy ass bitch. Kj is right. I've seen you're punk shrimp ass. Five nothin'. A hundred nothin'. Just the right height to suck Shack's dick. Your hero is putting out misleading information on the AGS 5K's too. Now let's talk about how all you do is run multiple cards on freeplay to make a living. Scumbag bullshit. You're not a gambler. You're a fucking cheater. You work skippers too. That is, until you got your punk asses busted. You're a disgrace to the profession.”

    Up until this post above a couple of days ago according to Mickey, Axel was one of the top AP’s in Vegas.

    APOLOGIZE for lying just to keep Axels AP myth alive and to falsely add credence to your own alleged claims.

    Let’s try Mick to stay on topic here. Enough with the old lady twists, pictures of money, and all the other change the subject matter tricks you use.
    Last edited by blackhole; 01-06-2019 at 06:18 AM.

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    I've already privately apologized to Axel. We've both wished each a happy new year and are moving on. Now I am publicly apologizing to him.

    What led me to fly off the handle was in Axel's post there was no quote of Alan. The only quotes were of me. I thought it was an out of the blue ad hominem attack on me. It didn't help that I had just gotten out of bed and was waiting on the coffee to brew. I'm not really with it until I suck down that first cup of coffee. After that, I really didn't think about it until Dan pointed out that the post was probably directed at Alan. I went back over the post and seen the error of my ways. I said some things I shouldn't have. I have no clue if Axel runs multiple cards. I just threw it in there for effect. Just like I did the skippers.

    What I DO know about Axel is back in the late nineties when I was just starting he was world class. I was a mini pro at that point and hung out at the Riverside/Laughlin quite a bit. Some of the local hustlers told me about Axel and his crew. They told me that when that $5 8/5 Jacks progressive in the high roller room hit $42,000 Axel and crew would come in, lock up both machines, and play until they hit the royal. That's exactly what happened. I had watched the number on that bank climb all the way to 42K and sure enough Axel and his crew showed up.

    I knew at that point that the upper tier pros really didn't care to fraternize with lowly mini pros like me. So I didn't try to strike up a conversation or anything. I was just observing them and they had no clue I was doing so. I came back down the next morning. The big royal was gone and so was Axel and his crew.

    At what I call the Pioneer Hustlers Convention of 2002 I discovered a play. They had put in a double time system where hands between certain parameters would pay double. The double time would come several times per hour and last one minute. I was playing $1 Jacks betting one coin between double times then five coins in double time. You had to bet at least one coin every ten seconds between double times to keep the machine qualified for the double times. Eventually the slot techs started tweaking the system down until the double times didn't come so fast making the play worth not that much money.

    Meanwhile, I had observed a Las Vegas couple, J & L (Axel will recognize who they are just by the initials) on some quarter Game Kings in another part of the casino. I knew they didn't play thin edges. Sometimes they would be playing video poker and sometimes they would be playing 4-card keno. I had no clue what they were doing but it was their play so I left them alone. On the day my play dried up I noticed they were no longer in the casino. So I moseyed over to that bank to see if I could figure out what they were doing.

    Got to take care of something.....I'll finish next post.
    Last edited by mickeycrimm; 01-06-2019 at 07:59 AM.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

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    Mickey, these clowns are just fishing for free information. Don't give it to them.

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    The sign above the quarter Game Kings said any pays between 60 and 120 coins would pay double in double time. I took a look at the 4-card keno. The max bet was 4 coins and the 2-spot payed 60 coins (15 for 1, a 90% game). So the 2-spot fit. The only thing was keeping the machine qualified between double times. I loaded the cards with 2-spots and went with a 1 coin bet on each card to keep the machine qualified. Then hit the max bet button when the double time light came on. In double time the 2-spots would pay 180%. I quickly realized that with a 10% drop between double times the cost was going to be to high to keep the machine qualified. I had to bet 1 coin on all four cards or I couldn't just hit the max bet button and play in double time. The only way it worked was keeping all 4 cards in play.

    I then took a look at the video poker. J & L were also playing video poker. I couldn't find anything with a short enough frequency that fit the parameters. Sixty coins cut out the full houses and the 120 coins didn't fit the quads. The quads would be to long a cycle anyway. There was just nothing there. Then why in the hell were J & L playing video poker too? I sat there wracking my brain trying to figure it out.

    Then all of a sudden the lightbulb went off in my head. They were 1-coining the 9/6 Jacks to keep the machine qualified then in double time they would switch to the 4-card keno. EUREKA!!! I think I've found it!!! I already had the 4-card keno cards set up. So I bet one coin on the 9/6 Jacks until the double time light came on. Then I hit the change game tab, hit the 4-card keno tab and smacked the max bet button. It took just a couple of seconds and I was off and running on the 4-card keno with the 80% edge. The frequency of the 2-spot is 16.63 and I was able to get out 9 or 10 deals in the double time. That's about 36 or 40 games per light. I hit a bunch of 2-spots. Yep that was it. I figured out J & L's play. Playing the 9/6 Jacks between double times meant they were only taking a 2% drop on a quarter bet until the machine went into double time. A fricking highly lucrative play. Each double time was worth about $36 and there several double times per hour.

    I had the play to myself for a couple of days. Then a friend figured out what I was doing. So he was on the bank. Axel was in another part of the casino on a Game Maker. I had no clue what he was doing on it. That play dried up so he moved over to my bank. Son of a bitch. Goddammit! The double times were being created by the ploppies betting five coins. To many hustlers on the bank betting one coin between lights drug the system down to where the double times didn't come so fast.

    Axel, with his girlfriend, just sat down and started doing the same thing I was doing. He didn't do any figuring or anything. It was like he already knew the play. Dammit!

    So one morning I come down, first one there, and they had changed the parameters from 60 to 120. They made it 120 to 240. Shit!!! So I look things over and decide I have to go to the 3-spot which fit the parameters. It was a weaker play. Axel came along and said "What are you doing?" I said they changed the parameters so I had to move to the 3-spot. He said no that's not what you do. Instead of playing 4 different sets of numbers on the 2-spot you set up 2 cards with the same numbers then set up the other 2 cards with the same numbers. That way, when you hit the 2-spot it will pay 120 coins and will double that. Son of a bitch. Why didn't I think of that. Thanks for the tip, axel. So we were off and running again.

    So I know Axel knows his stuff. There are other plays I've heard of him on. I could tell them but that would be hearsay, wouldn't it? Do I know that he uses multiple cards today? No. Do I know that he works skippers? No. BTW, that's pretty much a dead play with today's TITO.

    So blackhole, carry on with your tirades against AP's. No one gives a damn anyway. Or maybe you could explain to us what a skipper is.
    Last edited by mickeycrimm; 01-06-2019 at 08:24 AM.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  5. #5
    What a lovely good ole story from the nineties.

    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    I said some things I shouldn't have. I have no clue if Axel runs multiple cards. I just threw it in there for effect. Just like I did the skippers.
    So what you're saying here is you're willing to make shit up for effect. How many other posts did you just throw in some bullshit for effect? You tried to drag a persons reputation down just for effect. Did anyone ever tell you you're a scumbag?

    After reading this bedtime story from 30 years ago, how do we know if it's a fairy tale or a non-fiction fact. You can't have it both ways Mickey.

    Do I know what a skipper is? I Don't have a clue other than I thought it was some place to eat. Please don't explain because I don't care either.

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    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Mickey, these clowns are just fishing for free information. Don't give it to them.
    With Reditz gone I think this moron bought his spacecraft. Where does this fool get fishing for information from?

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    What is interesting is that the post from MC about AW was spot on.
    Every accusation was true.
    Not sure why the flip flop but who cares.
    That post was pretty strong and gung ho and you would think if you didn't mean all of that crazy you would keep it private or think twice.
    Someone could say it was a knee jerk reaction but I tend to find those type of reactions the most honest.
    Either way, whatever... I am not sure why this is even in the Las Vegas Forum to begin with.

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    Mickey, it's all good, I know you thought I was talking about you, and you reacted. No big deal, even if that was not the case, I'm a very forgiving person who can work though anything including making friends with enemies. Not that you ever were, or would be. Of course there are some people who cross to many lines. People like that just become dead to me.

    Regarding, skippers OF COURSE I WOULD AND PLAY a few.

    3 total over many years because it was super rare.

    I also played over-payers, non setting meters( that was the best over all) malicious, miss lables, Mistakes and I even took advantage of innocent, Dumb or complaint employees. Many of them, I made their month and even year with my generous tips.

    I WILL TAKE ADVANTAGE OF ANY CASINO SITUATION IF I DON'T THINK IT'S ILLEGAL.

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    Mickey, it's all good, I know you thought I was talking about you, and you reacted. No big deal, even if that was not the case, I'm a very forgiving person who can work though anything including making friends with enemies. Not that you ever were, or would be. Of course, there are some people who cross to many lines multiple times. People like that just become dead to me.

    Regarding, skippers.... OF COURSE, I WOULD..AND...DID PLAY a few. Why not??

    I I probably made about 40k total on skippers, with ZERO risk.However, it cost me getting banned from a few locations.

    3 total over many years because it was super rare, I averaged about 10k per find.

    I also played over-payers, non setting meters( that was the best over all) mis counting , miss labeled, Mistakes, and I even took advantage of innocent, Dumb or complaisent employees. Many of them, I made their month and even year with my generous tips.

    I WILL TAKE ADVANTAGE OF ANY CASINO SITUATION IF I DO NOT THINK IT'S (and I emphasize, If I do NOT) ILLEGAL.
    Last edited by AxelWolf; 01-06-2019 at 11:34 AM.

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    It's in moments of anger that the truth is often said. You can't unring a bell. Damage control is never 100-percent.

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    But Rob has a bigger member so does any of this matter?

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    Originally Posted by BadBeet View Post
    But Rob has a bigger member so does any of this matter?
    That's about what I was gonna say....except Axel always asks for and deserved a good knock on the chops, and mickey needs to take control of his continuous flow of BS here.

    What blackhole has undeniably proven is how mickey has basically admitted that he says the nonsense he does "for effect" and all those AP claims and all that AP-wealth he pontificates to know about, is nothing more than words submitted "for effect". The "playing for low esteem" was a nice touch too.

    Alan also had a nice piece here. Spoken words can never be taken back in their entirety.

    Glad I didn't eat all of my popcorn!

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    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    It's in moments of anger that the truth is often said. You can't unring a bell. Damage control is never 100-percent.
    Your sons rant is proof of that LOL

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    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post

    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    I said some things I shouldn't have. I have no clue if Axel runs multiple cards. I just threw it in there for effect. Just like I did the skippers.
    So what you're saying here is you're willing to make shit up for effect. How many other posts did you just throw in some bullshit for effect? You tried to drag a persons reputation down just for effect.
    The bell that can't be unrung.

  15. #15
    Originally Posted by Keystone View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    It's in moments of anger that the truth is often said. You can't unring a bell. Damage control is never 100-percent.
    Your sons rant is proof of that LOL
    I expected nothing less from you Keystone/Elaine/Keystone.

    Once again:

    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post

    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    I said some things I shouldn't have. I have no clue if Axel runs multiple cards. I just threw it in there for effect. Just like I did the skippers.
    So what you're saying here is you're willing to make shit up for effect. How many other posts did you just throw in some bullshit for effect? You tried to drag a persons reputation down just for effect.
    Let's see the AP team dance, dance, dance.

    By the way... monet's post should not be overlooked.

    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    What is interesting is that the post from MC about AW was spot on.
    Every accusation was true.
    It's a new day.
    Last edited by Alan Mendelson; 01-06-2019 at 12:34 PM.

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    This entire thread should be posted on WoV--and special-deliveried to kew's flat--and entitled "The Undeniable Truth About AP's".

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    I want to say it's a day that will live in infamy but that would be disrespectful to those who died to preserve our freedom. So instead I'll just say what a big foot in mouth moment this was.

    I can't wait to read the backlash from the usual suspects. I wonder what will be first? Comments about my kids, divorces, 18 yos, addiction, what?

    It doesn't matter. This could be the thread of 2019. LOL

  18. #18
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    I want to say it's a day that will live in infamy but that would be disrespectful to those who died to preserve our freedom. So instead I'll just say what a big foot in mouth moment this was.

    I can't wait to read the backlash from the usual suspects. I wonder what will be first? Comments about my kids, divorces, 18 yos, addiction, what?

    It doesn't matter. This could be the thread of 2019. LOL
    Hand Up, Usual Suspect. Don't know you, never met you and maybe it's all BS. But in all my years I don't think I have ever observed a son publicly blast his father for being a piece of shit and not paying him like yours did.

    That alone was either the truth or good theater. Seems like he disappeared from here, maybe can't afford internet service based on you fucking him all the while flaunting you lifestyle.

    Some people just shouldn't be parents. Hopefully the Grandkids received some Toys for Tots gifts.

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    No. They'll crow about my wealth-building bankruptcy in 1996 and pretend it was only yesterday.

    This is a watershed moment to be sure....a true educational enlightening. The usual suspects are busy nervously creating their plethora of spins, excuses, and ahumma.....ahumma.....ahumma's. But we will see them.

  20. #20
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    I want to say it's a day that will live in infamy but that would be disrespectful to those who died to preserve our freedom. So instead I'll just say what a big foot in mouth moment this was.

    I can't wait to read the backlash from the usual suspects. I wonder what will be first? Comments about my kids, divorces, 18 yos, addiction, what?

    It doesn't matter. This could be the thread of 2019. LOL
    Hand Up, Usual Suspect. Don't know you, never met you and maybe it's all BS. But in all my years I don't think I have ever observed a son publicly blast his father for being a piece of shit and not paying him like yours did.

    That alone was either the truth or good theater. Seems like he disappeared from here, maybe can't afford internet service based on you fucking him all the while flaunting you lifestyle.

    Some people just shouldn't be parents. Hopefully the Grandkids received some Toys for Tots gifts.
    And there you have it. An anonymous cowardly WoV reject "armchair AP" bringing up something he knows nothing about. What would he say if Slap came on and explained how his claim never told the whole story.....

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