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  1. #21
    When I hit a $450 vultured (3 coins 1st three columns at roughly $30 a spin denomination) jackpot on one of these (you can or used to be able to spin these at up to $60 a spin on those machines), this started playing in my head over and over again:


    Anyway thanks for the OM and GE tips Mickey, great stuff.

  2. #22
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Other than experience, and perhaps some tracking, is there a par sheet and math to show the scenario at 118 is an advantage? I'm not saying it is or isn't, i'm just curious.
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    I had no par sheet information. I just tracked it.
    Like Axel asked above please explain how you knew it was an advantage play at 118. You can’t explain anything because there is no math involved, just your personal experience playing the game.

    Your explanation is based on pure luck. My observation from that video was 99% of the time with coins wild the game payed shit.

    You said you keep records on everything including bringing a pen and paper into casinos for notes. At least show us the notes confirming how you avoid losing 34 spins before a bonus round like she did and like you said, “My strategy cuts out all those dead spins.”

    Notice how no AP’s joined this thread to protect Mickey. jbjb just made his typical expected asshole comments. Boz is just a phony click follower.

    If I made a thread like this about an alleged AP move like that, this thread would be 5 pages by now with laughs and sassy comments, combined with dead beat Alan and Rob posts.
    Last edited by blackhole; 01-10-2019 at 05:47 AM.

  3. #23
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    When I hit a $450 vultured (3 coins 1st three columns at roughly $30 a spin denomination) jackpot on one of these (you can or used to be able to spin these at up to $60 a spin on those machines), this started playing in my head over and over again:

    Anyway thanks for the OM and GE tips Mickey, great stuff.
    LOL Just another click member trying to help Mickey out. The king of machine AP's Axel seemed to know nothing about this game that's been around for years. Go figure????

    You guys need to realize you're not fooling anyone.
    Last edited by blackhole; 01-10-2019 at 05:49 AM.

  4. #24
    BH, please keep up with your posts. You're actually helping us out by keeping new people from AP'ing. Thank you much!!

  5. #25
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    BH, please keep up with your posts. You're actually helping us out by keeping new people from AP'ing. Thank you much!!
    Looks like some more click back-up may have arrived.

  6. #26
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    When I hit a $450 vultured (3 coins 1st three columns at roughly $30 a spin denomination) jackpot on one of these (you can or used to be able to spin these at up to $60 a spin on those machines), this started playing in my head over and over again:

    Anyway thanks for the OM and GE tips Mickey, great stuff.
    LOL Just another click member trying to help Mickey out. The king of machine AP's Axel seemed to know nothing about this game that's been around for years. Go figure????

    You guys need to realize you're not fooling anyone.
    When two coins go onto the top of a column, the column is wild for two spins, as you can see from the video. If there is already a coin in the column when someone comes up on the machine, it takes less spins to make it wild since one coin, rather than two, is required to make the column go wild - hopefully you comprehend this. Occasionally you find a machine with two coins in one of the 1st three columns (I'm sure someone here on VCT has found one with more than one column like this in the 1st three columns) - so that that column is wild for two spins. Blackhole, do you think that a machine like this is not in an advantage state if you found it like this ?
    Anyway I second JBJB's comment - thank you Blackhole.

  7. #27
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    When two coins go onto the top of a column, the column is wild for two spins, as you can see from the video. If there is already a coin in the column when someone comes up on the machine, it takes less spins to make it wild since one coin, rather than two, is required to make the column go wild - hopefully you comprehend this. Occasionally you find a machine with two coins in one of the 1st three columns (I'm sure someone here on VCT has found one with more than one column like this in the 1st three columns) - so that that column is wild for two spins. Blackhole, do you think that a machine like this is not in an advantage state if you found it like this ?
    Anyway I second JBJB's comment - thank you sir.
    Yes it is in advantage state with two coins there, as long as it pays something consistently enough to generate wins worth the time invested in finding them. Especially in the first three columns like Mickey suggests. Just not supply entertainment which is always the programmers main concern while making lots of money. Maybe you could explain this also ... "When the slot lady went into the bonus round at 27 minutes she was stuck $128 or about 34 bets. But she had made a lot of spins with no coins banked in the first three columns. My strategy cuts out all those dead spins. It's the reason I show a profit at the game." Please explain what coins banked have to do with bonus round symbols? What the fuck is he talking about?
    Last edited by blackhole; 01-10-2019 at 06:20 AM.

  8. #28
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    When two coins go onto the top of a column, the column is wild for two spins, as you can see from the video. If there is already a coin in the column when someone comes up on the machine, it takes less spins to make it wild since one coin, rather than two, is required to make the column go wild - hopefully you comprehend this. Occasionally you find a machine with two coins in one of the 1st three columns (I'm sure someone here on VCT has found one with more than one column like this in the 1st three columns) - so that that column is wild for two spins. Blackhole, do you think that a machine like this is not in an advantage state if you found it like this ?
    Anyway I second JBJB's comment - thank you sir.
    Maybe you could explain this also ... "When the slot lady went into the bonus round at 27 minutes she was stuck $128 or about 34 bets. But she had made a lot of spins with no coins banked in the first three columns. My strategy cuts out all those dead spins. It's the reason I show a profit at the game."
    The explanation is that the machine is only played when there are coin(s) already in the 1st three columns, so that they don't have to be spun from an empty state which requires more spins than it would if there are already coins in the column(s) when play is initiated.

  9. #29
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    When two coins go onto the top of a column, the column is wild for two spins, as you can see from the video. If there is already a coin in the column when someone comes up on the machine, it takes less spins to make it wild since one coin, rather than two, is required to make the column go wild - hopefully you comprehend this. Occasionally you find a machine with two coins in one of the 1st three columns (I'm sure someone here on VCT has found one with more than one column like this in the 1st three columns) - so that that column is wild for two spins. Blackhole, do you think that a machine like this is not in an advantage state if you found it like this ?
    Anyway I second JBJB's comment - thank you sir.
    Yes it is in advantage state with two coins there, as long as it pays something consistently enough to generate wins worth the time invested in finding them. Especially in the first three columns like Mickey suggests. Just not supply entertainment which is always the programmers main concern while making lots of money. Maybe you could explain this also ... "When the slot lady went into the bonus round at 27 minutes she was stuck $128 or about 34 bets. But she had made a lot of spins with no coins banked in the first three columns. My strategy cuts out all those dead spins. It's the reason I show a profit at the game." Please explain what coins banked have to do with bonus round symbols? What the fuck is he talking about?
    I already explained things based on the original question. I'm not in the mood for trying to hit moving targets (like your edited question).

  10. #30
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    I already explained things based on the original question. I'm not in the mood for trying to hit moving targets (like your edited question).
    Got it. You have a better chance of luck striking with coins in the bank.

  11. #31
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    I already explained things based on the original question. I'm not in the mood for trying to hit moving targets (like your edited question).
    Got it. You have a better chance of luck striking with coins in the bank.
    It's a fact that it takes less spins to make a column have two coins with one coin already there, than it does from an empty column. The casino makes you pay money for each spin Blackhole, which means it takes less money to make the column wild with one coin already banked. You're on your own if you think a wild column in the 1st three columns for two spins does not give the player an edge.

  12. #32
    I’m beginning to think Blackhole is actually super-sharp, and is simply trying to protect his livelihood...

    Mick, you and I are of the same ilk and I respect the hell out of you for your knowledge base and especially your work ethic, but the extent to which you work against your own interests (and mine) by giving away so much info truly confounds me. We both have competition-free joints to work at the moment, but I assure you as things continue to heat up in Vegas, (and perhaps elsewhere,) that’s going to change. Let’s not hasten our own demise any quicker than we have to.

  13. #33
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    When two coins go onto the top of a column, the column is wild for two spins, as you can see from the video. If there is already a coin in the column when someone comes up on the machine, it takes less spins to make it wild since one coin, rather than two, is required to make the column go wild - hopefully you comprehend this. Occasionally you find a machine with two coins in one of the 1st three columns (I'm sure someone here on VCT has found one with more than one column like this in the 1st three columns) - so that that column is wild for two spins. Blackhole, do you think that a machine like this is not in an advantage state if you found it like this ?
    Anyway I second JBJB's comment - thank you sir.
    Yes it is in advantage state with two coins there, as long as it pays something consistently enough to generate wins worth the time invested in finding them. Especially in the first three columns like Mickey suggests. Just not supply entertainment which is always the programmers main concern while making lots of money. Maybe you could explain this also ... "When the slot lady went into the bonus round at 27 minutes she was stuck $128 or about 34 bets. But she had made a lot of spins with no coins banked in the first three columns. My strategy cuts out all those dead spins. It's the reason I show a profit at the game." Please explain what coins banked have to do with bonus round symbols? What the fuck is he talking about?
    The bonus round symbols have nothing to do with coins banked. With my strategy the bonus round is all gravy when you get to it. It comes around about every 350 spins or so.
    "Walter Cronkite could not get a job in the main stream media today." Alan Dershowitz

  14. #34
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    Like Axel asked above please explain how you knew it was an advantage play at 118. You can’t explain anything because there is no math involved, just your personal experience playing the game .
    Tracking coin-in/coin-out is my methodology. And it's the method the casinos use to track their games.
    "Walter Cronkite could not get a job in the main stream media today." Alan Dershowitz

  15. #35
    This thread is more proof certain posters wouldn’t know or believe an AP move if they saw it with their own eyes.

    And comparing a negative game like VP to a play like this WHEN you find it shows what you are dealing with on here.

    Those who understand or are willing to learn know it takes hard work, time and dedication to do what Mickey does. The more games you understand, the more chances you have to keep busy. The fact that he has multiple games he tracks, keeps notes, does the math and knows where games are/were in different casinos shows what he does. But it’s not easy and certainly not for everyone, including me. But I’m smart enough to listen and learn and would be a fool to not if I’m visiting casinos.

  16. #36
    Dark Oz posted his recent experience with a River Horse on WoV. He obviously got lucky and played at a negative point, but did win. The MH’s also came in right around the point Mickeys research has shown.

    But I do have to question why he played as he did. I wonder if this is another WON situation where he says he is an AP but just uses some AP tactics to feed his addiction like WoN had with UX?

  17. #37
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    Dark Oz posted his recent experience with a River Horse on WoV. He obviously got lucky and played at a negative point, but did win. The MH’s also came in right around the point Mickeys research has shown.

    But I do have to question why he played as he did. I wonder if this is another WON situation where he says he is an AP but just uses some AP tactics to feed his addiction like WoN had with UX?
    He ate 4 W2-G's that he didn't have to. With the 8.88 bet you only have to hit for 135 bets in the bonus round to eat a W2'G. With the new tax laws those that don't file as professionals should avoid W2-G's as much as possible. I would have eaten just 1 W2-G on the play because I would have spun it off at the 1.76 bet level.

    Darkoz' success on the play may cause him to play lower numbers. He made about 4200 spins on the play. Sooner or later he's going to run into a 4000 spin scenario where he gets dropped for 35% which will cost him about 13K.

    He mentioned the minor meter being at 452. It was guaranteed to come off on the play. This has to do with ratios of meter speeds. The 5K meter running at .26666% is exactly 2/3's of the 500 meter rate, .4%. That means for every $1 you put in the 5K meter you will $1.50 in the 500 meter. If you start the play at 4900 and the 500 meter is at $350 you are going to take both meters off. Knowing this is crucial in estimating your cost on the play.
    "Walter Cronkite could not get a job in the main stream media today." Alan Dershowitz

  18. #38
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    Dark Oz posted his recent experience with a River Horse on WoV. He obviously got lucky and played at a negative point, but did win. The MH’s also came in right around the point Mickeys research has shown.

    But I do have to question why he played as he did. I wonder if this is another WON situation where he says he is an AP but just uses some AP tactics to feed his addiction like WoN had with UX?
    He ate 4 W2-G's that he didn't have to. With the 8.88 bet you only have to hit for 135 bets in the bonus round to eat a W2'G. With the new tax laws those that don't file as professionals should avoid W2-G's as much as possible. I would have eaten just 1 W2-G on the play because I would have spun it off at the 1.76 bet level.

    Darkoz' success on the play may cause him to play lower numbers. He made about 4200 spins on the play. Sooner or later he's going to run into a 4000 spin scenario where he gets dropped for 35% which will cost him about 13K.

    He mentioned the minor meter being at 452. It was guaranteed to come off on the play. This has to do with ratios of meter speeds. The 5K meter running at .26666% is exactly 2/3's of the 500 meter rate, .4%. That means for every $1 you put in the 5K meter you will $1.50 in the 500 meter. If you start the play at 4900 and the 500 meter is at $350 you are going to take both meters off. Knowing this is crucial in estimating your cost on the play.
    Darkoz also commented on passing the Wizard's average hit number of 4945. The game is set up to run to at least 4990 probably 97% of the time and will hit below that number maybe 3% of the time. And I think that will balance to an average 4945.

    The 4945 number is misleading. You can't calculate the cost using an average hit of 4945. You have to use 4995 because 97% of the time you are going to run to at least 4990.
    "Walter Cronkite could not get a job in the main stream media today." Alan Dershowitz

  19. #39
    I really enjoy your posts.

    I hope you are saving a few juicy plays for yourself.

    I play casino poker once or twice a week. I get up and walk around for a few minutes every hour or two to make sure my legs still work. There are 2 UX, 3 GE, 3 OM machines within 30 feet or so of the poker room. These days I check some of them as I walk around.

    Last Friday I walked by the UX. One had a 2X in plain sight on the screen. It was only .05 a card for ten lines but I played it using my $15 free play and betting 10 coins. I cashed out $48. I walked over to the GE and found a playable game. I put in $20, got a few spins before it became unplayable. Left with $18. I don't remember the cost per spin. OM had nothing.

    This is not much money and I'm not a threat to anyone seriously playing machines but it is fun to know about these plays.

  20. #40
    Originally Posted by cyberbabble View Post
    I really enjoy your posts.

    I hope you are saving a few juicy plays for yourself.

    I play casino poker once or twice a week. I get up and walk around for a few minutes every hour or two to make sure my legs still work. There are 2 UX, 3 GE, 3 OM machines within 30 feet or so of the poker room. These days I check some of them as I walk around.

    Last Friday I walked by the UX. One had a 2X in plain sight on the screen. It was only .05 a card for ten lines but I played it using my $15 free play and betting 10 coins. I cashed out $48. I walked over to the GE and found a playable game. I put in $20, got a few spins before it became unplayable. Left with $18. I don't remember the cost per spin. OM had nothing.

    This is not much money and I'm not a threat to anyone seriously playing machines but it is fun to know about these plays.
    Thanks, cyber.
    "Walter Cronkite could not get a job in the main stream media today." Alan Dershowitz

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