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  1. #41
    Originally Posted by Moses View Post
    I admit. I don't read every post. From what I've read there is some biased towards KJ because is gay. But not only does he openly admit it, he sort of plays it out and shoves it down everyone's throat (bad analogy). No offense meant KJ. But if two guys are holding hands in a sportsbook they are going to catch some shit.. A ton of it. If a guy says on a forum he is going to be walking in a gay parade for the day? This will be followed with some unsavory remarks. I'm not saying it's right or wrong. I am saying THAT's the way it is.
    Moses, being gay doesn't define me, so I don't announce it. I am not one of those in your face gay guys. I don't do, need (or even care for) displays of public affection. To me being gay is just about who I choose to share my life with. When I came to this site, I was immediately outed, by another member, an AP no less, who made a gay reference of me, thinking it would be funny to announce that. And I was immediately attacked and have been ever since.

    Now on Wizards site, it was also known that I was gay. I don't remember how it was known, but I highly doubt I brought it up. Actually I think it may have been asked or referenced in the interview that was done with me at WoV. But anyway, when I married my partner, I posted about it. I did so, because, WoV is not only a gambling related site, but also supposed to be of topics of Vegas and even gets into current event news topics. Gay marriage was made legal so it was being discussed and I married a short time later and my marriage had a Vegas theme to it, so I shared that experience.

    The fact is that although I am anonymous in that few know my real name, I am a somewhat known member of several blackjack/gambling related forums. I am not a math geek "numbers" type guy so I can't get into a lot of those deep discussions. I decided I wanted to share my journey and experiences of making a living playing blackjack...what I call "the good, the bad and the ugly" of playing blackjack for a living. Or as much as I could anyway, and I usually go beyond what I should. And there is some cross-over into personal life, and how different things like losing 6 month periods effect things.

    And in my case with my personal partner, also being my business partner there was even more cross-over and I have shared that as best I could without being in anyone's face. All references to my partner were made in gambling/AP context. If that made some people uncomfortable, I truly am sorry. I don't know how else I could have done so.

  2. #42
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    As Alan alluded to, Dan allows all these hateful attacks on various groups, gays, Blacks, Latinos ( I can't say I remember any Asian slurs, but maybe I missed it). But I do clearly remember Dan getting quite upset about an anti-semitic comment to the point that he told us all that he was Jewish and was offended. So apparently Dan only cares when it hits close to home. He is fine with others being attacked.
    Ok, I have now been shown the comments in reference to Asians. Kind of funny ALL these hateful, racist, homophobic comments are made by one member. The same member that was previously banned for such comments, but inexplicably allowed back. Allowed back with the promise of change. But he hasn't changed...he has only gotten worse (as usually is the case).

    This is an individual, Singer, one of two actually on this site, (the other being blackhole) that are just absolutely consumed with hate. There are a number of members that I believe are anti-AP and have a difference of opinion, but they don't express hate the way these two do. These two are absolutely consumed by hate.

  3. #43
    Good post #41 KJ. Please don't take offense. But sometimes you argue like a woman. Actually, you might consider that more of a compliment than an insult. I had a mother, 3 sisters, two daughters, an ex-wife and 4 close girl friends (not at the same time) in my life time plus two aunts that took an uninvited interest in my life and family after I went from poverty to wealth.

    Needless to say I hate to argue with women. You'd think with all that experience I'd be damn good at it. But no, I'm horrible. However, I "think" I've learned their secret. Throw out all reason and logic. My mom was the best or worst if you will. She'd smack me and then cry because she hurt her arm. Sometimes I minded her just so she wouldn't hurt her arm.
    Last edited by Moses; 01-12-2019 at 11:49 AM.

  4. #44
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    The hatred expressed on this site and allowed by Dan includes Asians, Gays, African Americans and others. Dan do you want to continue to protect this hate speech on your forum. REMOVE MY HANDLE AS ORIGINAL FOUNDER.
    Two clear examples of Dan's hypocrisy and inconsistency.

    About a year and a half ago in a heated discussion, I repeated the charge that a member here was a child molester. This was someone else's claim that he made often and I repeated it. Dan immediately stepped in saying I couldn't do that and deleted all references. For the record that was wrong of me and I apologized.

    However, repeated completely untrue claims that my late partner died of aids, a similarly vicious attack, meant only to be hurtful have drawn not a peep from Dan.

    Second example. As Alan alluded to, Dan allows all these hateful attacks on various groups, gays, Blacks, Latinos ( I can't say I remember any Asian slurs, but maybe I missed it). But I do clearly remember Dan getting quite upset about an anti-semitic comment to the point that he told us all that he was Jewish and was offended. So apparently Dan only cares when it hits close to home. He is fine with others being attacked.
    How many times have you said Shyster?
    How many times have you called Mike (Wizard) an Alien or Martian or something along those lines?
    I think you guys just Hate the Straight Anglo Saxons of the World.
    Why do I never hear the Caucasians posting about how they are being treated unfairly?
    My wife is a Chink from Hong Kong... so what?

    Here is the definition of the word Chink.
    It doesn't seem racist to me.

    chink1
    /CHiNGk/Submit
    noun

    a narrow opening or crack, typically one that admits light.
    "a chink in the curtains"
    synonyms: opening, gap, space, hole, aperture, break, breach, crack, fissure, crevice, cranny, cleft, cut, rift, split, slit, slot
    "the sun had found a chink in the clouds"
    a patch of light admitted by a narrow opening or crack.
    "I noticed a chink of light under the door"

    ------------------------------------------------------

    Chinks

    Chinks is a extremely offensive word used for asians
    not just Chinese, but for all Asian decendents.

    The word originated from many different major historic events, for example, it was used to call the Koreans in the Korean War, or during the building of the Canadian Railway.
    Asians have considered this word to be extremely offensive.

    Equal to = Nigger for black people.
    Some consider it worse.

    ------------------------------------------------

    Funny, when I hear Rap Music/Hip Hop I hear the word Nigger all the time.
    Fuck the Police seems to be celebrated and highly acceptable.
    Niggers with Attitude... no problem!

    Let us all just make some of that bread from Hitlers Recipe... what was that called again kewlJ?
    It used to be cool to call Germans; Jerry or Kraut.
    Hail Trump!!


    Last edited by monet; 01-12-2019 at 11:58 AM.

  5. #45
    KJ, I swear you had a big coming out post on WOV.

  6. #46
    Originally Posted by Moses View Post
    Good post KJ. Please don't take offense. But sometimes you argue like a woman.
    Hell Moses, why would I take offense at that? You know sometimes you are an idiot Moses....ummm...no offense.

    Originally Posted by Moses View Post
    That was my inclination in August 2013. I was not aware of forums. I thought it would be cool to chat with a group about blackjack. I mean, it's not a conversation you just walk up and start talking about like you would a football. " Man, did you see that where they gave up a last 2nd TD and screwed me out of my point spread"? That's acceptable. But say, "man, I had two hands of 20 facing a dealers 6 and lost both hands with only one card left in the deck that could be beat me" and you get fried.
    I don't like to respond to all these posts that most here have no idea what you are referring to. I think I was on that forum at the time, but probably on my way out the door. I don't remember the circumstances of your arrival.

    But in very general terms you have hit upon one of the big advantages of forums for players. Many AP's and certainly many blackjack AP's tend to be "loners" and have that loner, introvert personality. And even if not the case, few have many friends and/or family that understand what we are doing. So many gravitate towards forums where there are like-minded people, going through or have gone through some of the same experiences and emotions, that we can converse with and learn from each other.

    One of the best examples is the long losing periods that blackjack advantage play sometimes results in, extreme negative variance, lasting weeks or months, tens of thousands of rounds. Reading another players accounts of going through these cycles can be a great benefit to someone relatively new who is experiencing such a cycle for the first time.

    Relatedly, but to a lesser extend is venting about specific results like you mention. Personally I play enough, (70-100 thousand rounds a year) that I have seen it all. I have seen the dealer pull 8 card 21's to beat my pat 20's. I have seen dealer's turn over 4 blackjack's in a row beating my high card hands with max bets out. So none of that kind of venting fazes me. I tend not to care about such short term events, so I rarely get involved in such a discussion. Part of the game. BUT, I do respect players right to vent. That is fine. Another benefit of these forums.

  7. #47
    Monet. So is my neighbor lady. She and her husband Jon (Caucasian) are pushing 80. Chu damn rabeets. day poo on my law. I get gun an shoot damn bass turds. Hawk swoops dow and keels dem. Now got dead 1/2 eatin rabeets on my all over yar. Jon just smiles and shakes his head.

  8. #48
    It seems to be ok to call Dan a Pussy... I remember Alan posting it a few times.
    I am waiting for the Pussies of the world to start posting about how that is Hate Speech and not acceptable!
    If you aren't allowed to say Shyster or Fag... you shouldn't be able to call someone a Pussy!
    Calling someone a Pussy offends me.
    I like pussy but I can see how if you are homosexual you might not like it.
    I ask that we make a rule that nobody can call anyone a pussy on this site or talk about how big their cock is.
    Please someone make a list of all the derogatory words we are not allowed to post.
    Is gook allowed?
    All I heard when I was growing up was my Father hating Gooks.
    He was in Nam for two tours and for some reason he hated Gooks.
    He seemed to praise Mamma-san or Mamasan though... even went AWOL to hang out with her.

    Welcome to the New Server!
    Last edited by monet; 01-12-2019 at 12:07 PM.

  9. #49
    I would never call anyone a "pussy." I called Dan a wimp.

  10. #50
    I am offended for the wimps of the world.
    Should we be allowed to call one another a Wimp?

  11. #51
    Originally Posted by dannyj View Post
    KJ,
    You DO have a choice.
    This was the post of the day.

    You want to belong to a predominantly mans forum? Get rid of the panties and skirt.

  12. #52
    Originally Posted by monet View Post

    How many times have you said Shyster?
    How many times have you called Mike (Wizard) an Alien or Martian or something along those lines?
    Ok, Monet, you are going to have to show me where I ever called Wizard an Alien or Martian. I have called him some names, but I don't recall that. Although THAT might explain some things.

    And I have said numerous times, that I don't hate Michael Shackleford. I greatly admire his, yours, mickey's...many people's mathematical abilities. I wish I had 1/10 of that kind of ability.

    I admire Mike for getting up out of his cushy government seat and pursuing his dreams. I don't know the specifics of his APing, or how much money he has made doing so. And while I think he was damn lucky with how the WoO/WoV thing worked out, he played those cards and won that gamble. Good for him.

    My only criticism of Mike, is the handling of his forum in general and my situation specifically. He allowed an outside person (QFIT) to come to his forum and demand that he shut down a longtime contributing member (me), simply because I had an opinion that QFIT didn't like. An opinion that has since proven to be 100% correct. That was really weak of Mike and his unwillingness to address the situation since, in light of new facts and evidence even weaker. And what has it gotten him? QFIT contributing much at WoV?

    Now, "Shyster". Shyster is a word I learned from my grandfather. He used it as a con man, a person always playing an angle usually with a dishonest element involved. And that is how I used it and meant it towards Alan. And it fits perfectly the way he twists things and plays games.

    I had never heard of shyster being in an anti-semitic way and frankly after Alan suggested it still see no definition that implies that. I think it is one of those things that people read into it or redefine it to suit themselves.

  13. #53
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    I would never call anyone a "pussy." I called Dan a wimp.
    Must of been someone else.
    I guess you didn't call him a pussy.
    You did say he lied which is the same as calling him a Liar.
    It seems you also called Dan a "Has Been."
    That is not nice.
    Should you be allowed to call members wimps, liars and has beens while the rest of us can't call members chinks?



    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    You're a whimp with the backbone of a banana.
    You can't take a stand.
    So drown in you're own filth.
    You're a has been.
    Adios.
    All of you.
    (But I will say it again, I have new respect for kewlj.)

  14. #54
    KJ,

    STOP whining. It's been years since they threw you out. It's really disgusting a grown woman like you to keep carrying on like this.

    What are doing here again anyhow?

  15. #55
    Not the point kewlJ.
    I apologize that I misquoted you and Alan.
    The point is you guys are using the same behavior as everyone else.
    However, you want Dan to take your side over others.
    It is as if you are superior to the rest of the members.
    Do what you want... I am just pointing out you guys are just as ugly as myself and others.

  16. #56
    Originally Posted by Moses View Post
    Monet. So is my neighbor lady. She and her husband Jon (Caucasian) are pushing 80. Chu damn rabeets. day poo on my law. I get gun an shoot damn bass turds. Hawk swoops dow and keels dem. Now got dead 1/2 eatin rabeets on my all over yar. Jon just smiles and shakes his head.


  17. #57
    It seems that Monet is defending Rob Singer.

  18. #58
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Not the point kewlJ.
    I apologize that I misquoted you and Alan.
    The point is you guys are using the same behavior as everyone else.
    However, you want Dan to take your side over others.
    It is as if you are superior to the rest of the members.
    Do what you want... I am just pointing out you guys are just as ugly as myself and others.
    This seems to be your mantra monet…."I'm a bad person but everyone else is just as bad. At least I admit it." I guess that some how makes you feel better?

    No I don't want Dan to take my side over others. I welcome other opinions, even people that want to believe I am not who I say. That's fine. You know my saying "it doesn't take that much to figure out who knows what they are talking about and who is just talking". If someone reads what I post and decides I am not credible, that is there right. (although they have some serious judgement issues ) I don't believe anyone can read what I contribute on the subject of blackjack and really come to the conclusion that I am just talking. If THAT is their conclusion, then they went into it with that predetermined conclusion.

    But anyway, there is a difference in difference of opinion, and discussions of that nature, even some that go off the rails a bit and get heated and flat out trolling. And worse yet, announcing that your intent is to troll, attack and generally be disruptive. I do believe that should not be tolerated. That simply prevents any kind of growth, discourages new members from joining and participating. All you have is the same handful of members making the same attacks over and over. Haven't we had enough of that? I mean when a person announces his intent.....??

    What the hell is wrong with you breeders?

  19. #59
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    It seems that Monet is defending Rob Singer.
    I don't think so. Monet is just pushing buttons, That's what he does. He likes to stir the pot.

  20. #60
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Hell Moses, why would I take offense at that? You know sometimes you are an idiot Moses....ummm...no offense.
    Okay, so you took offense. lol I'm just saying you way of argument is unique. And you're quite good at it. The other day a gay person ranting over something he was upset about. I mean his hair was colored, leather pants, high heels, make up, the works. But, like a woman, he got his way. Why? Because the guy didn't know how to deal with him, and just wanted the situation to go away. Now, my lady gets her way quite often. Why? Because she won't let up. I learned early on, the sooner I give in, the less hell there is to pay. I remember one time we were in Vegas and she didn't want to pay the Resort Fee. We didn't have to pay it and I would have. Then she gave the parking attendant thunder on our way out. I wish I would've had a woman attorney that represented men's rights in my divorce.

    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    I think I was on that forum at the time, but probably on my way out the door. I don't remember the circumstances of your arrival.
    You didn't post in that thread. RS did. It was a long thread and eventually was closed. Flash was at his rude-to-newbie best. Your exit came a couple of years later I think. Funny thing was after about 10 or 12 posts I was going to call it a life and write it off to experience. Then Moo started popping off calling me a troll. To that point in my life, I'd never heard the word. He told me to leave which prompted me to stay.

    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    But in very general terms you have hit upon one of the big advantages of forums for players. Many AP's and certainly many blackjack AP's tend to be "loners" and have that loner, introvert personality. And even if not the case, few have many friends and/or family that understand what we are doing. So many gravitate towards forums where there are like-minded people, going through or have gone through some of the same experiences and emotions, that we can converse with and learn from each other..
    Good point. I've went from being an extrovert to an introvert. In the casino world, people tend to be idiots and target seekers. I prefer to keep most at arms length. Ever been to a corporate Christmas party? Man, you talk about self absorbed people. I thought the forks were for stabbing ourselves in the eye when we couldn't listen anymore.

    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Relatedly, but to a lesser extend is venting about specific results like you mention. Personally I play enough, (70-100 thousand rounds a year) that I have seen it all. I have seen the dealer pull 8 card 21's to beat my pat 20's. I have seen dealer's turn over 4 blackjack's in a row beating my high card hands with max bets out. So none of that kind of venting fazes me. I tend not to care about such short term events, so I rarely get involved in such a discussion. Part of the game. BUT, I do respect players right to vent. That is fine. Another benefit of these forums.
    I was speaking to the contrast of how guys will bitch over a game lost. I mean a guy still comes up to me about a game he bet $5 on in July and reminds me. But we won the bet. Yes, but it went extra innings and your pick was behind until the 9th. Geesh. But unless one doesn't play blackjack like a robot they should be sent to reform school according to forum "experts."
    Last edited by Moses; 01-12-2019 at 01:00 PM.

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