casino cheating

[monet]

You troll every answer you get. You are beyond help. I could care less if Dan bans me. He may as well, would stop your dumb ass complaining to him nonstop.

Nobody is getting banned from this site.
No matter how much we try, beg or pray.
Dan don't roll like that!
Dan gets trolled pretty hard himself and he just laughs that shit off.
Most of the time it seems obvious that he just ignores it.
I don't agree with the way Dan outs hustlers but I do respect the way he runs his sites allowing people to express themselves however they want.
Of course he has his limits with some words but don't fret he just deletes the post instead of putting members in a corner.
No banishment to Siberia or Nuking of Members which I agree with.

Stick to those Pussies at WoV and other Forums if you want to get suspended, banned or talk/act PC.

[Half Smoke]

Stick to those Pussies at WoV and other Forums if you want to get suspended, banned or talk/act PC.

it seems like you're saying talking rough, tough and nasty anonymously behind a PC makes you a tough guy

sure it does LOL - in fairness to you, you're not really overly nasty, you're not really in the same league as the nastiest


so here's to the great heroes - let's all raise a glass and share a toast honoring the:


KEYBOARD GANGSTAS

[monet]

Stick to those Pussies at WoV and other Forums if you want to get suspended, banned or talk/act PC.

it seems like you're saying talking rough, tough and nasty anonymously behind a PC makes you a tough guy

sure it does LOL - in fairness to you, you're not really overly nasty, you're not really in the same league as the nastiest


so here's to the great heroes - let's all raise a glass and share a toast honoring the:


KEYBOARD GANGSTAS

I have always invited anyone that wants to come out to the desert to plink with me at any time of their choice.
All expenses paid including transportation to and from.

[Half Smoke]

Dan himself is not a keyboard gangsta

he's just a keyboard gangsta enabler




kind of like a security guard who watches the door while something really nasty happens inside the house



Dan's got plausible deniability on his side

[mickeycrimm]

What is the point you want to make?

I accept that dealers can cheat in hand-held games, but how can the dealer clump/chunk cards or deal seconds in an ASM shoe game?

[blackhole]

So, BJ Info is where KJ spends most of his time. I never knew it even existed till Alan put up the link. I did a quick look at that site. The first person that stood out to me was KJ lol. This post became a long read but, it's loaded with top of the line forum entertainment.

I think it’s safe to say that KJ has his typical click friends, but just as many doubters of his claims. I didn’t read much of his postings but, so far they appear to be similar to the bullshit he tries to pull off here but with much more challenges to his claims. I found this stuff in just 2 minutes, and could only imagine what else is there.

KJ apparently in his own words took an interest in ZenKing early on trying to help him both publicly and privately, and even considered letting him stay at his house. Sadly, the timing didn’t work out because he had heart surgery. I can’t help but consider ZK took up his offer and KJ needed an out and faked the surgery like he did his own death.

Say what you want about ZK and I agree on much of it. But, after all Kewlj did to help him you wonder why he made this post quoted below.

Quote:

"I dont believe many of the so called 'successful' players on these forums as well as on GWAE. The whole backcounting by using mirrors in the ceiling just adds to the skepticism. So sad that people even consider that a possibility. A lot of what KJ and his stories seem crediblr about winning and losing a lot, but none of that can be verified. Anyone can play anyone on the internet and tell whatever story they want for whatever agenda they want.

The 'successful' stories of Yoshi, Joe, KJ, and whoever else that claims they made hundreds of thousands or millions should all be looked at very carefully because there are a lot of red flags in between if you carefully observe it."

I don’t believe KJ shared with us here how in the old days in A.C. where he started out was usuing mirrors to count two tables.

In addition, remember the claims KJ made about that ASM machine he claimed to acquire? Well apparently, not many people are buying what he said except the likes of ZenK who seems to get his ass kicked often, and the claim fits his narrative. Rattler1 a poster was calling out KJ on his claims. KJ eventually accused him of having a dog in the fight and must be associated with the manufacturer. I thought his response is worth a read, and to make it easy I’ll post some of his quotes below.

Quote:

"Independent labs test both the hardware and software... so they would have to be involved in this scheme. If the manufacturer was collaborating with labs and casinos on something like this, that would pretty much shut down the gaming industry. You would be justified in questioning the fairness of every single casino game.

Of course it's clear to me that you're lying... making outrageous claims without producing a shred of evidence.

The only other possibility is even worse: that out of loyalty to a couple AP's who are making a few bucks hitting some exploitable side bet, you're allowing everyone else to get slaughtered and be cheated by multibillion dollar corporations, while you have evidence of this great injustice."

Quote:

"I am definitely not associated with the manufacturer... I guess I could email you my OSN profile to prove that I am not if I really needed to (not that I can imagine any situation in which I would do that)... but I do have a dog in this fight. Every blackjack player does and really every gambler does.

It almost seems to me that you think that your claim that you obtained a unit and found that cheating functionality is built in is kind of innocent and inconsequential? You think we should all just go on with our lives and thank you for the heads up?

I think you really underestimate the consequences if your claim were true. That would mean that the independent labs that test the games to make sure they're fair and operational are collaborating with casinos and manufacturers to cheat the player. That's a truly massive allegation and it really would shut down the gaming industry in this country. People would go to jail, the stock prices of large public companies would plummet, etc.

I don't think that's possible and that's why I claim that you're lying.

It's a poor analogy in a lot of ways but I can't think of a better one off the top of my head: what you did by making that claim is kind of like someone screaming "BOMB!" in a crowded movie theater. If you're going to make that bold of a claim, you'd better be prepared to back it up. You're offended by my challenging you to back it up.

I know you won't and your excuse is that you made promises to certain AP's who are exploiting it somehow, and I don't believe it. If by some miracle that were true, I think that it would be absolutely morally reprehensible that you would enable large corporations to cheat players who think they're playing a fair game.

We are going in circles here. So obviously not gonna get anywhere with your current stance. But just wanted to provide my two cents and respond to your suggestion that I am associated with the manufacturer."

Quote:

"Let me see if I can piece this all together now. I am not the brightest bulb in the box by any means, so please correct me if I am wrong on any of this:

1. You bought a Deckmate 2 on Ebay or something. This Deckmate 2 (which does have card recognition capability), has a secret mode that a tech-savvy individual can opt into. You mathematically verified this by running a couple decks of cards through this machine thousands and thousands of times... and came up with some conclusion along the lines of "a true 10 occurs 50% more often than it would with a completely random shuffle at the halfway point of a double deck game."

2. El Cortez heard about these accusations and immediately swapped out their Deckmate 2's with Deckmate 1 (which doesn't have card recognition so the machine isn't capable of this sorting).

3. The big independent labs that verify all of the software, such as GLI, either somehow missed this secret mode that you and your AP buddy found so quickly. Either that or, they did find it, but didn't think it was a big deal and approved of the machines anyway because casinos are all so upright and trustworthy that they would never use something like that to take advantage of a player.

4. Certain pit bosses are aware of this mode, and when Joe Card Counter comes along... he starts betting $25. A few minutes later at the end of a double deck shoe, Joe is throwing out $500 bets, then at the shuffle starts betting $25 again. The pit boss casually walks over, asks Joe Card Counter how he is doing and flips on "beast mode." This likely strips Joe Card Counter of a month's worth of EV in a half hour and he walks away defeated, with an empty wallet.

5. The pit bosses/ surveillance/ others involved in casino operations, many of whom play and count cards in other casinos, choose to keep their mouths shut about this, because they are the most loyal group of people on the planet. Even though many of them make $16 an hour and have credit card debt and rent to pay, and they could certainly assure themselves of a big payday if they chose to capitalize on this information, out of loyalty to the greater good of the stockholders of Caesars Entertainment Corporation, they keep their mouths shut.

6. You don't take videos of the process and post them anonymously on YouTube. You don't share your data regarding the high true counts. You don't even hang onto the unit as proof. You don't pass this along to some litigious individual who would love to go to bat with this against greedy cheating corporations. You sell it on Ebay to someone who lives overseas and we are all left without a shred of proof... just vague claims made on internet blackjack forums by a stranger."

KJ appears to have issues where ever he parks his bullshitting ass. You can't make this shit up.

[The Boz]

So, BJ Info is where KJ spends most of his time. I never knew it even existed till Alan put up the link. I did a quick look at that site. The first person that stood out to me was KJ lol. This post became a long read but, it's loaded with top of the line forum entertainment.

I think it’s safe to say that KJ has his typical click friends, but just as many doubters of his claims. I didn’t read much of his postings but, so far they appear to be similar to the bullshit he tries to pull off here but with much more challenges to his claims. I found this stuff in just 2 minutes, and could only imagine what else is there.

KJ apparently in his own words took an interest in ZenKing early on trying to help him both publicly and privately, and even considered letting him stay at his house. Sadly, the timing didn’t work out because he had heart surgery. I can’t help but consider ZK took up his offer and KJ needed an out and faked the surgery like he did his own death.

Say what you want about ZK and I agree on much of it. But, after all Kewlj did to help him you wonder why he made this post quoted below.

Quote:

"I dont believe many of the so called 'successful' players on these forums as well as on GWAE. The whole backcounting by using mirrors in the ceiling just adds to the skepticism. So sad that people even consider that a possibility. A lot of what KJ and his stories seem crediblr about winning and losing a lot, but none of that can be verified. Anyone can play anyone on the internet and tell whatever story they want for whatever agenda they want.

The 'successful' stories of Yoshi, Joe, KJ, and whoever else that claims they made hundreds of thousands or millions should all be looked at very carefully because there are a lot of red flags in between if you carefully observe it."

I don’t believe KJ shared with us here how in the old days in A.C. where he started out was usuing mirrors to count two tables.

In addition, remember the claims KJ made about that ASM machine he claimed to acquire? Well apparently, not many people are buying what he said except the likes of ZenK who seems to get his ass kicked often, and the claim fits his narrative. Rattler1 a poster was calling out KJ on his claims. KJ eventually accused him of having a dog in the fight and must be associated with the manufacturer. I thought his response is worth a read, and to make it easy I’ll post some of his quotes below.

Quote:

"Independent labs test both the hardware and software... so they would have to be involved in this scheme. If the manufacturer was collaborating with labs and casinos on something like this, that would pretty much shut down the gaming industry. You would be justified in questioning the fairness of every single casino game.

Of course it's clear to me that you're lying... making outrageous claims without producing a shred of evidence.

The only other possibility is even worse: that out of loyalty to a couple AP's who are making a few bucks hitting some exploitable side bet, you're allowing everyone else to get slaughtered and be cheated by multibillion dollar corporations, while you have evidence of this great injustice."

Quote:

"I am definitely not associated with the manufacturer... I guess I could email you my OSN profile to prove that I am not if I really needed to (not that I can imagine any situation in which I would do that)... but I do have a dog in this fight. Every blackjack player does and really every gambler does.

It almost seems to me that you think that your claim that you obtained a unit and found that cheating functionality is built in is kind of innocent and inconsequential? You think we should all just go on with our lives and thank you for the heads up?

I think you really underestimate the consequences if your claim were true. That would mean that the independent labs that test the games to make sure they're fair and operational are collaborating with casinos and manufacturers to cheat the player. That's a truly massive allegation and it really would shut down the gaming industry in this country. People would go to jail, the stock prices of large public companies would plummet, etc.

I don't think that's possible and that's why I claim that you're lying.

It's a poor analogy in a lot of ways but I can't think of a better one off the top of my head: what you did by making that claim is kind of like someone screaming "BOMB!" in a crowded movie theater. If you're going to make that bold of a claim, you'd better be prepared to back it up. You're offended by my challenging you to back it up.

I know you won't and your excuse is that you made promises to certain AP's who are exploiting it somehow, and I don't believe it. If by some miracle that were true, I think that it would be absolutely morally reprehensible that you would enable large corporations to cheat players who think they're playing a fair game.

We are going in circles here. So obviously not gonna get anywhere with your current stance. But just wanted to provide my two cents and respond to your suggestion that I am associated with the manufacturer."

Quote:

"Let me see if I can piece this all together now. I am not the brightest bulb in the box by any means, so please correct me if I am wrong on any of this:

1. You bought a Deckmate 2 on Ebay or something. This Deckmate 2 (which does have card recognition capability), has a secret mode that a tech-savvy individual can opt into. You mathematically verified this by running a couple decks of cards through this machine thousands and thousands of times... and came up with some conclusion along the lines of "a true 10 occurs 50% more often than it would with a completely random shuffle at the halfway point of a double deck game."

2. El Cortez heard about these accusations and immediately swapped out their Deckmate 2's with Deckmate 1 (which doesn't have card recognition so the machine isn't capable of this sorting).

3. The big independent labs that verify all of the software, such as GLI, either somehow missed this secret mode that you and your AP buddy found so quickly. Either that or, they did find it, but didn't think it was a big deal and approved of the machines anyway because casinos are all so upright and trustworthy that they would never use something like that to take advantage of a player.

4. Certain pit bosses are aware of this mode, and when Joe Card Counter comes along... he starts betting $25. A few minutes later at the end of a double deck shoe, Joe is throwing out $500 bets, then at the shuffle starts betting $25 again. The pit boss casually walks over, asks Joe Card Counter how he is doing and flips on "beast mode." This likely strips Joe Card Counter of a month's worth of EV in a half hour and he walks away defeated, with an empty wallet.

5. The pit bosses/ surveillance/ others involved in casino operations, many of whom play and count cards in other casinos, choose to keep their mouths shut about this, because they are the most loyal group of people on the planet. Even though many of them make $16 an hour and have credit card debt and rent to pay, and they could certainly assure themselves of a big payday if they chose to capitalize on this information, out of loyalty to the greater good of the stockholders of Caesars Entertainment Corporation, they keep their mouths shut.

6. You don't take videos of the process and post them anonymously on YouTube. You don't share your data regarding the high true counts. You don't even hang onto the unit as proof. You don't pass this along to some litigious individual who would love to go to bat with this against greedy cheating corporations. You sell it on Ebay to someone who lives overseas and we are all left without a shred of proof... just vague claims made on internet blackjack forums by a stranger."

KJ appears to have issues where ever he parks his bullshitting ass. You can't make this shit up.

Dude, that borders on creepy obsession.

Or a hidden crush, like a schoolboy who does everything possible to show everyone he “hates” a certain girl.

[blackhole]

Dude, that borders on creepy obsession.

Or a hidden crush, like a schoolboy who does everything possible to show everyone he “hates” a certain girl.

Only a person like you who could only be full of as much shit as the anonymous frauds you don’t even know and defend, would say this. Maybe you could answer some of the questions KJ refuses to answer for him.

I thought his bullshit being challenged at other places shows we're not the only ones that refuse to fall into the sucker category.

That's all you could come back with? Please, give me a brake.

[Half Smoke]

"Dude, that borders on creepy obsession." quote - Boz

No. if there is a claim of cheating that is worth investigating it should be investigated from every possible angle.
an experienced investigator would have found out the answer one way or another and would have proven his answer

as is there is no proof
doesn't mean it's false
re all of the many different claims of casino cheating - I'm referring to large casinos - there has never been any proof other than collusion between a player and dealer for the benefit of those 2 which can harm any other players at the table-
online casinos are a separate category and anybody would be foolish to believe there is not cheating there

the fact that there has never been proof is to me very significant (again talking about large casinos)
because it could have been proved
all kinds of high and low tech ways to find out the truth

[Alan Mendelson]

I think half smoke is mostly correct about this:

there has never been any proof other than collusion between a player and dealer for the benefit of those 2

But I recall some posts about drawings being rigged?

If anyone can show a case of the NGC or any regulator naming a casino for cheating now is the time to post it.

[The Boz]

"Dude, that borders on creepy obsession." quote - Boz

No. if there is a claim of cheating that is worth investigating it should be investigated from every possible angle.
an experienced investigator would have found out the answer one way or another and would have proven his answer

as is there is no proof
doesn't mean it's false
re all of the many different claims of casino cheating - I'm referring to large casinos - there has never been any proof other than collusion between a player and dealer for the benefit of those 2 which can harm any other players at the table-
online casinos are a separate category and anybody would be foolish to believe there is not cheating there

the fact that there has never been proof is to me very significant (again talking about large casinos)
because it could have been proved
all kinds of high and low tech ways to find out the truth

Nothing wrong with looking for the truth, but that is the last thing this guy is looking for. KJ could say the sky is Blue and BH would debate it. Not sure why, but he is an angry, bitter man.

He is anything but an independent impartial investigating dude, just like the Original Founder of this site.

[blackhole]

If anyone can show a case of the NGC or any regulator naming a casino for cheating now is the time to post it.

Not a casino but how about within the NGC themselves? The whole true story with this guy was truly entertaining involving murder. Even though he was played off as a rogue lone wolf, I think the story was squashed quickly preventing potential future casino customers to consider what is possible.

From Wikipeadia:

Ronald Dale Harris is a computer programmer who worked for the Nevada Gaming Control Board in the early 1990s and was responsible for finding flaws and gaffes in software that runs computerized casino games. Harris took advantage of his expertise, reputation and access to source code to illegally modify certain slot machines to pay out large sums of money when a specific sequence and number of coins were inserted.[1] From 1993 to 1995, Harris and an accomplice stole thousands of dollars from Las Vegas casinos, accomplishing one of the most successful and undetected scams in casino history.

Towards the end of his stint, Harris shifted his focus to the probability game Keno, for which he developed a program that would determine which numbers the game's pseudorandom number generator would select beforehand. When Harris' accomplice, Reid Errol McNeal, attempted to redeem a high value winning keno ticket at Bally's Atlantic City Casino Hotel in Atlantic City, New Jersey, casino executives became suspicious of him and notified New Jersey gaming investigators.[1][2] The investigation led authorities to Harris and after a trial was sentenced to seven years in prison.[1] He was released from prison after serving two years and currently resides in Las Vegas.

Harris is listed in the Nevada Gaming Control Board's black book and prohibited from entering casinos.[3]

Harris’ story can be seen on the Biography Channel, History Channel and Discovery Channel program Breaking Vegas, which features interviews and reenactments of some of Harris' casino-breaking scheme. The Travel Channel's Vegas Cheaters Exposed also briefly explains his story.

[blackhole]

Nothing wrong with looking for the truth, but that is the last thing this guy is looking for. KJ could say the sky is Blue and BH would debate it. Not sure why, but he is an angry, bitter man.

He is anything but an independent impartial investigating dude, just like the Original Founder of this site.

I couldn’t care less who KJ is, where he lives, or what he does. But a bullshitter is a bullshitter.

Because I don’t fall into the sucker’s category, I must be an angry, bitter, man. Says who? YOU? LOL

Well, I guess that makes that a fact.

[Moses]

But a bullshitter is a bullshitter.

Blackhole, according to modern philosophy there is a big difference between a bullshitter and a blowhard. Normally, one would think, "what the hell difference does it make"? To summarize, a bullshitter just wants someone/anyone to listen. A blowhard doesn't care who, or if, anyone is listening. In a strange way there is some relevance to recognizing the difference for everyday life.

But then, throw in libtards, half queers, and deli sluts and it indicates the world got itself in one big damn mess. I'm really not an expert on any of this, not sure I'd want to be. But many folks I know personally would enjoy your words of wisdom should you decided to elucidate.

[Alan Mendelson]

Kewlj started a pretty good thread here and then it got ruined. Where is the moderator to clean up this thread?

[kewlJ]

Kewlj started a pretty good thread here and then it got ruined. Where is the moderator to clean up this thread?

Where is the moderator ever when it comes to this site?

No matter Alan, I didn't start this thread thinking it would be a thread of ongoing discussion. I simply wanted to bring what was said by a poster claiming to be a casino dealer or former dealer involving cheating and him being instructed to cheat. All I wanted to do was bring it to light, alert players, both AP and non-AP, and have them decide for themselves whether they find the poster credible or not and whether this raises concerns for them or not.

The fact that blackhole went off the deep end, posting numerous posts mentioning me dozens of times highlights his obsession. I have to agree with Boz, it is pretty creepy.

And in Blackhole's haste to, well I don't know what his agenda is, I guess to discredit me, he jumped to some conclusions without knowing the facts. I am not going to go into it all here, but the poster mentioned challenging me at BJinfo on the shuffle machine thing, by the handle of Rattler1. Remember I immediately suggested Rattler1 had a dog in the fight, was either another AP, or worked at El Cortez or Shufflemaster? I have been informed that Rattler1 is another AP...well sort of. Someone I have discussed here, not by handle or name recently with Moses. He is a long-term member of the community and one that frequently disputes almost anything I say. But don't take my word for it, Rattler1 recently signed up here and probably will be joining the party to discredit me as he has done for years.

None of that really matters. Just goes to show the lengths Blackhole will go to in his haste to attack. Jump in and repeat things he really doesn't know about, because he is completely obsessed.

I will say this though, Blackhole seems to have a lot of energy today. The guy is walking around half dead, sucking oxygen from an oxygen tank that he drags around with him. I feel guilty that he is using up the last of his energy on me. Please stop Blackhole....it's creepy.

[Alan Mendelson]

I would like to see Dan remove ALL of the posts from this thread that are off topic, not only blackhole's. He isn't the only offender.

[MaxPen]

I would like to see Dan remove ALL of the posts from this thread that are off topic, not only blackhole's. He isn't the only offender.

I'd like to see you disappear from this place that you founded. Obviously you are no longer satisfied with the results of your creation. So move the fuck on and quit whining bitch boy.

[The Boz]

I would like to see Dan remove ALL of the posts from this thread that are off topic, not only blackhole's. He isn't the only offender.

I'd like to see you disappear from this place that you founded. Obviously you are no longer satisfied with the results of your creation. So move the fuck on and quit whining bitch boy.

This site is just like everything Alan created. It has either went out of business, gotten screwed over for money or became a cesspool. And who says being a Gambling addict doesn’t affect others around you?

You’re a reverse King Midas Alan, everything you touch turns to shit. Perhaps you should be nicknamed King Plumber. Or King Bottom because you are always Fucking Up.

Or just “Original Founder”.

[Moses]

KJ: Cheating is simply an obstacle to overcome. Either one can or they can't. IF they can't. Don't play. What? You think they are going to give you a fair game then let you take your best shots at them? Naw, it doesn't work that way. I'm not talking just casinos either.

Watching the NFL games yesterday in the sportsbook drove me nuts. Everyone has an opinion on every - single - play. From noon until 7pm. As someone who has been there, I saw some glaring details. Obviously, the officials wanted both game to go into overtime. I'm not convinced they had a preference on the outcome. According to an article I read earlier in the week, the two teams that would be best for Super Bowl revenue both lost. Clearly, the complexity of the rules has grown beyond that of human capacity. It took an hour and 15 minutes to play the 4th quarter in the Patriots vs Chiefs game.

People want to see a football game. Not referee conferences. So change a few obvious things and bring back football NOT entertainment.
1.) The ground can cause a fumble. This will stop all the reaching to gain an extra inch which turns into a 10 minute review. If a team chooses reach the ball over the line for a TD? Fine. But don't expect the official to bail you out if gets slapped out of your hand. Run a play that leaves no doubt. 2.) The whistle kills the play. C'mon guys blown you damn whistle and all the after the play activity stops. This eliminates going to the booth to see who stays and who gets kicked out. Shorten the play clock. Don't stop it for incompletions except in last 2 minutes. Now time for showboating or fighter it they do this. 3.) One foot or body part inbounds. If a receiver catches the ball and still has it when the play is blown dead? Then it's a catch. C'mon isn't that difficult to determine...if one has a modicum of eyesight. 4.) It's football. IF a QB gets hit? So what? HE is a football player. Not some sort of Greek God. If he is getting hit too much? Run the ball or play action passes.

5.) Leave the dancing to the cheerleaders. 6.) National anthem? Show some respect for crissake. You're a multi millionaire living in America.

Some say we witnessed two of best championship games in history. OR two of the biggest farces in history. Personally, I felt like an idiot, who'd wasted 7 hours of my life watching that shit.