casino cheating

[blackhole]

I want to know why kewlj believes in this? Could it be he needs an excuse to account for his losses?

Of course! Only a cheating dealer could make him lose thousands.

No, KJ isn’t a complete fool. I truly believe he is suffering from some type of insecurity issue. I think I recall him explaining how his stepdad threw him out of their home in NJ for being a homo. Being a queer and all that could explain a lot of his forum tales.

He just needs to shuffle all over gambling forums and pretend to not only be a BJ superstar, but to convince others since he’s in casinos and on forums everyday how he’s up on current events, trying to protect others from the evil empire. It’s all done just for attention. How else could you explain such creative stories? Similar to Dark Ass the AP from WOV.

His search for attention forces him to over use his imagination, and forgets that even though most posters are anonymous doesn’t mean they’re all idiots.

I also think most of the forum AP click that back him realize this and do it knowing there must some wires crossed.

[Alan Mendelson]

Split face there are YouTube videos of a guy claiming to predict his dice throws. I can create a video like that. First I shoot the video, then I record a narration to match the video.

Geez. How naive are you people?

[blackhole]

KJ, am I correct in assuming from what you said above that those machines were taken out of the Valley casinos as well as the out of town ones? Something else really interesting I caught in that post that you hadn`t mentioned before, but I know you can`t say much about the subject so I`ll leave that part alone. You can probably guess it.

Oh No, how could you leave us in such great suspense?

[mickeycrimm]

Anyone that thinks cards can't be manipulated while being shuffled is a fool. One of the ways poker dealers collude with players is called Location. The dealer flashes a few cards from the muck to a player, usually sitting to his left, to show him what is coming on the flop in the next hand. It is a well known way to cheat by poker players.

[kewlJ]

No, KJ isn’t a complete fool. I truly believe he is suffering from some type of insecurity issue. I think I recall him explaining how his stepdad threw him out of their home in NJ for being a homo. Being a queer and all that could explain a lot of his forum tales.

He just needs to shuffle all over gambling forums and pretend to not only be a BJ superstar, but to convince others since he’s in casinos and on forums everyday how he’s up on current events, trying to protect others from the evil empire. It’s all done just for attention. How else could you explain such creative stories? Similar to Dark Ass the AP from WOV.

His search for attention forces him to over use his imagination, and forgets that even though most posters are anonymous doesn’t mean they’re all idiots.

I also think most of the forum AP click that back him realize this and do it knowing there must some wires crossed.

I have never lived in New Jersey. You can't even get your lies straight blackhole, you obsessed piece of shit. Bringing up my sexuality in a discussion like this proves your obsession. What a freaking low life.

I start this thread so, players, both AP's and non-AP's can be informed of what this person claiming go be a dealer or former dealer claims and decide for themselves. I have also provided some information along the way warning players, information that I would have probably been better off keeping to myself. And we manage to have some pretty decent discussions. Respectful, even from someone like Alan that doesn't want to believe. But you come along and have to immediately drag us into the mud with your misguided hate attacks. So easy to tear down and attack. When have you ever added anything positive to this forum?

Damn your a coward, low life, piece of shit. Someone in your family really needs to pull the plug on your oxygen, so your tired, old, diseased ass can slip away to hell where you belong.

[Moses]

Thirty percent... and that 30% clump survives the cut card and the cut? And just what percentage of the time does that happen with two decks?

Actually it's 30.77% tens and 38.46%with Aces. This is why HiLo won't work in pitch games. For one thing, your spread is limited so you can't overcome the downturns of decks when Aces and Tens come out early. Now, with a column count, you can survive these decks until you get one to your advantage. Everyone knows that a deck rich in Tens/Aces is a good threshold. But few ask themselves "what don't I want remaining"? For advantage, the less 5s and 6s reduce your chances of getting 15 or 16 significantly. Therefore, it's not always about betting large in a deck rich in 10/Aces. Sometimes it's about accumulating funds by passing on large bets when the deck is also rich in another group.

Hence, you don't have to make bad bets back if you don't take the bait in the first place.

[kewlJ]

I want to know why kewlj believes in this? Could it be he needs an excuse to account for his losses?

Of course! Only a cheating dealer could make him lose thousands.

Shame on you too Alan. I specifically stated that my current losing period has nothing to do with being cheated. Why the fuck do you need to lie to try to make your points?

What I do, grinding out a living playing the smallest of edges, blackjack card counting, results in some negative runs of weeks, sometimes months at a time. Usually these periods consist of a short losing period, followed by a slow recovery back to where you were. At other times there isn't that short losing period, just a long stagnant period that you sort of remain stuck.

These periods are just part of what I do. I have documented numerous of these periods, including 4 or 5 that lasted up to six months. I am currently 3 months into such a period. Big loss and have yet to climb back to my last ATH. But I will.

Alan, I try to treat you with respect. Don't sink to the level of a blackhole and Singer and lie, troll and twist everything.

[kewlJ]

Actually it's 30.77% tens and 38.46%with Aces. This is why HiLo won't work in pitch games. For one thing, your spread is limited so you can't overcome the downturns of decks when Aces and Tens come out early. Now, with a column count, you can survive these decks until you get one to your advantage. Everyone knows that a deck rich in Tens/Aces is a good threshold. But few ask themselves "what don't I want remaining"? For advantage, the less 5s and 6s reduce your chances of getting 15 or 16 significantly. Therefore, it's not always about betting large in a deck rich in 10/Aces. Sometimes it's about accumulating funds by passing on large bets when the deck is also rich in another group.

Count debate!?! Come on Moses, stop with your T3 impersonation. That "HiLo won't work in pitch games" is complete bullshit!! HiLo works fine in pitch games. If you believe that little bit extra that simulations show for a more specialized count benefits you, fine, play what you want, but don't lie about something that has been proven for 50 years. What next? The earth is flat?

[blackhole]

Sorry KJ, you might be right. It could've been Philadelphia. I did start the post off with I think.

My suspicions of you being a queer and having some wires crossed trying to justify your stupidity are no different then you suspicions of me Quote: "Damn your a coward, low life, piece of shit."

On another note how do you feel about my previous suggestion below. Convince your new pal Alan to do it. What do you think?


Since KJ along with several other Vegas AP’s are working Vegas casinos for a living and who would need to remain anonymous, we need to find a person there who is willing to take this to the next level.

I think Alan a resident, known gambler to the casinos, career investigator reporter would fit this setting perfectly. He should contact the NGC, local mayor, senator, congressmen, then firstly direct them all to this person’s posts claiming to be a cheating dealer for Vegas casinos.

Just put Einstein Mickey’s opinion into action. Quote: “My opinion is NGC should be informed of the possibility. NGC should start an undercover investigation to see if it is going on and how prevalent it is. And perpetrators should be punished. They need to send a big message that it won't be tolerated.”

If NGC takes no action is the reason you contacted elected officials. One of them should be willing to take the baton and run with it. If still no response then last resort would be to try contacting Harry Reid. I’m sure he still has connections with the Clinton Mafia. Maybe if we all get together and make a donation to one of their charities, we could then convince them into getting to the bottom of this.

[Moses]

Actually it's 30.77% tens and 38.46%with Aces. This is why HiLo won't work in pitch games. For one thing, your spread is limited so you can't overcome the downturns of decks when Aces and Tens come out early. Now, with a column count, you can survive these decks until you get one to your advantage. Everyone knows that a deck rich in Tens/Aces is a good threshold. But few ask themselves "what don't I want remaining"? For advantage, the less 5s and 6s reduce your chances of getting 15 or 16 significantly. Therefore, it's not always about betting large in a deck rich in 10/Aces. Sometimes it's about accumulating funds by passing on large bets when the deck is also rich in another group.

Count debate!?! Come on Moses, stop with your T3 impersonation. That "HiLo won't work in pitch games" is complete bullshit!! HiLo works fine in pitch games. If you believe that little bit extra that simulations show for a more specialized count benefits you, fine, play what you want, but don't lie about something that has been proven for 50 years. What next? The earth is flat?

You are so full of shit your eyes are completely brown. I'm not the one writing thread upon thread about cheating casinos. YOU are. Why? Because you can't play the fucking game and want to blame them for your own inadequacies and being so naïve you think they will lay down and let you win. BULLSHIT! I've played well over a million hands in a casino, probably another million on Verite, and reviewed hundreds of sims line by line. It's called WORK.

What you think these casinos offer blackjack so you can make a living? No. You take what they give and don't take more than they are willing to give or put up a going out of business sign. Otherwise, your are writing and crying your eyes out on some forum somewhere about cheating casinos. Of course they cheat. Maybe go to a carnival where you can win a teddy bear on a fair game? Yeah right!

Instead of pissing and moaning about it all the time. Figure out what they are doing and beat them at their own game.

Why in the blue fuck is the 2 so vital that you think it deserves the same weight as a 5 in a pitch game? Geezous Carist. Have you ever taken a deep look at a sim? I'm not talking about the surface bullshit that T3 yammers on and on about. No I'm talking about actually playing the game. Not some guy sitting in a cold dark basement on the east coast whacking his banana by getting people to argue with him.

Hell, if all you want is 50% pen, HiLo, and a limited spread? I'll be the house.

Wise UP!

[kewlJ]

Sorry KJ, you might be right. It could've been Philadelphia. I did start the post off with I think.

My suspicions of you being a queer and having some wires crossed trying to justify your stupidity are no different then you suspicions of me Quote: "Damn your a coward, low life, piece of shit."

On another note how do you feel about my previous suggestion below. Convince your new pal Alan to do it. What do you think?


Since KJ along with several other Vegas AP’s are working Vegas casinos for a living and who would need to remain anonymous, we need to find a person there who is willing to take this to the next level.

I think Alan a resident, known gambler to the casinos, career investigator reporter would fit this setting perfectly. He should contact the NGC, local mayor, senator, congressmen, then firstly direct them all to this person’s posts claiming to be a cheating dealer for Vegas casinos.

Just put Einstein Mickey’s opinion into action. Quote: “My opinion is NGC should be informed of the possibility. NGC should start an undercover investigation to see if it is going on and how prevalent it is. And perpetrators should be punished. They need to send a big message that it won't be tolerated.”

If NGC takes no action is the reason you contacted elected officials. One of them should be willing to take the baton and run with it. If still no response then last resort would be to try contacting Harry Reid. I’m sure he still has connections with the Clinton Mafia. Maybe if we all get together and make a donation to one of their charities, we could then convince them into getting to the bottom of this.

I lived in Philadelphia, but only as an adult. My stepfather never lived in Philadelphia that I am aware of. Swing and a miss. Strike two.


You deserve no respectful from me....nothing! But I will take the high road and respond respectfully.

You are correct about why I refused to get involve when I brought this ASM issue to light last year. There is absolutely no upside for me getting involved and being the face of such a challenge or even bringing such a case to gaming. That would be a losing proposition for an active players. There was discussion of Shackleford being that "front guy" but by the time he decided to take a look at the situation, the specific situation had dissolved....machines had been pulled from the floor.

I am not sure I am in favor of that path anyway. I mean this isn't exactly countermeasures, it's cheating. But there are some similarities to countermeasures cases in that if through courts or some legal authority like a gaming commission you force the casino industry to do this or that, something they don't want to do, the result can be even worse.

Case in point: Ken Uston and Atlantic City. Kenny "won" vs Atlantic City, making it so AC could not bar players. The result, now 40 years of almost unplayable games in Atlantic City.

In Nevada we (AP's, especially card counter AP's) play the cat and mouse game. And that is not a bad solution. You learn to play that game. You learn what is and isn't tolerated. (that has been my whole approach). Essentially, you learn to co-exist. Rocking the boat and forcing change will only result in a counter action from casinos, the result of which likely will be worse.

But there is a problem and that is "technology". New technology is going to keep appearing that allows or aids the casino industry to cross the line. If you do nothing, they will cross the line a little bit here, a little more there, and even more next time. So I don't honestly know what the answer is.

[Moses]

Proven for 50 years? My ass. Every book, tool, and forum is written based on a game of cards played by people and the dealer busting. Actually, it's a game a people played with cards and you must finish your hand before the dealer ever makes a move. That's a fact. Essentially, you are in control until they take that control away. Don't let greed be the reason they take your control away.

[blackhole]

I lived in Philadelphia, but only as an adult. My stepfather never lived in Philadelphia that I am aware of. Swing and a miss. Strike two.

Okay. So where ever it was he did through you out for being gay...correct?

Yo didn't respond to the suggestion about getting to the bottom of the mechanic dealer. What do you think?

[Moses]

But if you are wiling to be the house and play me at my game and give me your spread? Hell yes. You don't think I can do what I say I can do? I will verbalize the so called "complex" count out loud while we are playing. It would make it even easier. I would love, love, love the opportunity to compete without the fear of being 86ed.

[kewlJ]

You are so full of shit your eyes are completely brown. I'm not the one writing thread upon thread about cheating casinos. YOU are. Why? Because you can't play the fucking game and want to blame them for your own inadequacies and being so naïve you think they will lay down and let you win. BULLSHIT! I've played well over a million hands in a casino, probably another million on Verite, and reviewed hundreds of sims line by line. It's called WORK.

What you think these casinos offer blackjack so you can make a living? No. You take what they give and don't take more than they are willing to give or put up a going out of business sign. Otherwise, your are writing and crying your eyes out on some forum somewhere about cheating casinos. Of course they cheat. Maybe go to a carnival where you can win a teddy bear on a fair game? Yeah right!

Instead of pissing and moaning about it all the time. Figure out what they are doing and beat them at their own game.

Why in the blue fuck is the 2 so vital that you think it deserves the same weight as a 5 in a pitch game? Geezous Carist. Have you ever taken a deep look at a sim? I'm not talking about the surface bullshit that T3 yammers on and on about.

Hell, if all you want is 50% pen, HiLo, and a limited spread? I'll be the house.

Wise UP!

Complete nonsense, Moses! You are heading down the same road as T3 and Flash before you, declaring that hi-lo doesn't work and only your super-duper method works. And this despite that thousand of players have experienced success using hi-lo or some other similar, simple, level 1 count. That includes most of the various teams, including all the MIT variations and Tommy Hyland's teams of 40 years.

If you or anyone wants to make the case for a higher level or specialty count and that the little benefit that it may gain in specific cases is worth it to you, FINE. But if you can't make that case without falsely claiming that hi-lo or simpler counts don't work, then you flat out can't make the case. The fact is any count that identifies a disparage in the ratio of Aces and Ten value cards to non 10 value cards, will identify an advantage.

The fact that T3, Flash and now you seem to need to falsely tear down other methods in order to promote your own is both weird and factually false. Nobody knows more about column counts than Tarzan. He has been working on his specialty count for 20 years, but not once have I heard him say, hi-lo or other counts don't work and only his does. Doing so, challenges 50+ years of Math and thousands of players that have succeeded using it.

You can play whatever count you like Moses. But don't tell me and thousands of others who have experienced success to the tune of millions and millions of dollars (combined) what works and what doesn't work. AND if you can't engage in discussion without flying off the handle like you just did, then you won't be engaging in discussion with me.

[kewlJ]

Yo didn't respond to the suggestion about getting to the bottom of the mechanic dealer. What do you think?

I most certainly DID respond. Post #111. What the F is going on here? Is this a whole forum of people with reading comprehension problems?

It seems like this forum slides further and further into the twilight zone on a daily basis. I gotta get ready for work.

[coach belly]

I wrote that there is proof that BJ dealers (and thus casinos) cheat as shown in the YouTube video of live play at an online casino.

We should acknowledge that the clip posted earlier was created by Mike Morgenstern, so its authenticity could be considered dubious.

But let's assume it's authentic...in the Morgenstern clip it sure looks like the dealer deals a second.

Morgenstern is dealt the second...a 6...then the dealer deals himself an 8.

If he had dealt the cards in proper order, Morgenstern would have received the 8, and the dealer the 6...that's what the clip appears to show.

If the dealer receives a 6, then he must take another card. So we don't know the outcome if the cards would have been dealt properly, since the clip doesn't continue to show the next card dealt from the shoe.

Besides...how does the dealer know the value of the cards he is about to deal if they are face down in a shoe, such that dealing a second is to his advantage?

This was a clip from online play, so we don't really know what else is going on other than what we can see.

Maybe the dealer is somehow being shown the value of the cards in the shoe before they are dealt, or maybe the cards are marked...like with braille or something...so that the dealer can tell by touching them.

But Nightshifter was writing about live casinos...not online casinos.

Does the Morgenstern clip really prove that brick-and-mortar casinos cheat?

[regnis]

Coach--exactly. I don't question dealing seconds or whether a casino may cheat. But in the video where he is dealing seconds, how does he know what the cards are and when to do so. He has to have some other tool to tell him what the cards are.

[jbjb]

RFID chips in the cards. They are scanned for the on screen display. Not saying this is what happened, but someone off screen would know the exact card order in the shoe and direct the dealer what to do. I won't be surprised when these "live" poker tournament final tables get hacked.

As for the dealer KJ linked to, it's just dealer shuffle tracking and false or weak shuffling. Whether or not he was successful at it is another story.

[blackhole]

First of all, anyone trusting any online casinos in third world countries from the USA are fucking idiots to begin with. So, why even have that discussion here.

Second of all, KJ is a bag full of bullshit. He has better moves than a magician when he twists and turns with added bullshit trying to maneuver out from under looking like a fucking idiot. He'll change topics bringing up shit that has nothing to do with the active discussion when he's pinned. Anything that idiot says should be ignored. He would of been better off if he stayed away this 29th time he promised he was through here. Instead he comes back and makes a bigger idiot out of himself. Like he say's, "you just know when someone is full of shit".