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  1. #41
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post

    Where is the moderator ever when it comes to this site?

    No matter Alan, I didn't start this thread thinking it would be a thread of ongoing discussion. I simply wanted to bring what was said by a poster claiming to be a casino dealer or former dealer involving cheating and him being instructed to cheat. All I wanted to do was bring it to light, alert players, both AP and non-AP, and have them decide for themselves whether they find the poster credible or not and whether this raises concerns for them or not.

    Please stop Blackhole....it's creepy.
    You foolishly directed us to that site for what? To throw another unproven bullshit claim story at us just like the ASM claim looking for a thumbs up or thumbs down.

    If this guy was some sort of two deck shuffling guru, I wouldn’t worry since he WAS at one time an alleged BJ dealer. If he was a specialist knowingly being hired by a casino, it sounds like it was in the 50’s when the mob had control and bullshit like this could have even been possible.

    You are the dumbest idiot I ever came across. Of course, me and Rattler or anyone else who doubts you are creepy, obsessed or whatever claims you and Boz make up. (you know Boz the guy that never meet you in person or actually knows a single actual confirmed fact about you to include your finances, but backs you 101%)

    Let’s see, I’m creepy, bitter, angry, now I have an oxygen tank strapped to me, and I’m half dead. This all coming from Boz and KJ, who I have never meet, Not Even Once. It must be true.

    What I do find interesting is with several BJ rule changes in the casinos favor over the best years, combined with all the newest technology coming into play and always changing, and now with all this different type of casino cheating taking place at BJ, specialist dealers, ASM cheats, you still managed to withdraw over a million dollars never detected for over 15 years, and are still doing it.

    You tell me to stop questioning you that it’s creepy. Just think for a minute what you said.

  2. #42
    I also agree I should have started another thread. If you Dan decide to remove these posts from here, could you please start a new thread started by me named “KJ and you just can’t make this shit up” We need a place to store all this nonsense in one place. Thank you.

  3. #43
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Kewlj started a pretty good thread here and then it got ruined. Where is the moderator to clean up this thread?
    Where is the moderator ever when it comes to this site?

    No matter Alan, I didn't start this thread thinking it would be a thread of ongoing discussion. I simply wanted to bring what was said by a poster claiming to be a casino dealer or former dealer involving cheating and him being instructed to cheat. All I wanted to do was bring it to light, alert players, both AP and non-AP, and have them decide for themselves whether they find the poster credible or not and whether this raises concerns for them or not.
    I'm more concerned with dealers making bad calls against players because they are anti players and not pro casino. This happens in craps.

    You can have tough dealers who will make the wrong call on tilted dice, and you will have dealers who will pressure shooters to throw the dice harder or lower than necessary, and you will have dealers that will disallow bets.

    I have found there are anti player dealers and they do it because they don't like their jobs, they don't want the players at their tables, and they don't want to work. And making bad calls is one way to keep the players away. It's also a form of cheating.

  4. #44
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    I'm more concerned with dealers making bad calls against players because they are anti players and not pro casino. This happens in craps.

    You can have tough dealers who will make the wrong call on tilted dice, and you will have dealers who will pressure shooters to throw the dice harder or lower than necessary, and you will have dealers that will disallow bets.

    I have found there are anti player dealers and they do it because they don't like their jobs, they don't want the players at their tables, and they don't want to work. And making bad calls is one way to keep the players away. It's also a form of cheating.
    Maybe you should start a new thread also.

  5. #45
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    I think half smoke is mostly correct about this:

    there has never been any proof other than collusion between a player and dealer for the benefit of those 2

    But I recall some posts about drawings being rigged?

    If anyone can show a case of the NGC or any regulator naming a casino for cheating now is the time to post it.
    Venetian was fined for fixed drawings where they made sure a producer (high rolling loser) won the drawings.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  6. #46
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    Quoting ZenK[B][I]"I dont believe many of the so called 'successful' players on these forums as well as on GWAE. The whole backcounting by using mirrors in the ceiling just adds to the skepticism. So sad that people even consider that a possibility.
    This whole thing about being able to see what's going on behind you while driving by looking at rear view mirrors is a crock. So sad that people even consider that a possibility.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  7. #47
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    Because I don’t fall into the sucker’s category....
    Says the guy that claims he's dumped multi-thousands to the casinos over the years. A sucker is now claiming to not be a sucker. You look like a sucker, walk like a sucker and quack like a sucker. You're a sucker.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  8. #48
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Kewlj started a pretty good thread here and then it got ruined. Where is the moderator to clean up this thread?
    Alan, you have to PM Dan to get action. Tell him that blackhole has ruined the thread. He'll clean it up and possibly (likely), ban BH from the thread.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  9. #49
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Kewlj started a pretty good thread here and then it got ruined. Where is the moderator to clean up this thread?
    Alan, you have to PM Dan to get action. Tell him that blackhole has ruined the thread. He'll clean it up and possibly (likely), ban BH from the thread.
    Just Blackhole? I think not.

  10. #50
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    .

    You foolishly directed us to that site for what? To throw another unproven bullshit claim story at us just like the ASM claim looking for a thumbs up or thumbs down.

    If this guy was some sort of two deck shuffling guru, I wouldn’t worry since he WAS at one time an alleged BJ dealer. If he was a specialist knowingly being hired by a casino, it sounds like it was in the 50’s when the mob had control and bullshit like this could have even been possible.

    You are the dumbest idiot I ever came across. Of course, me and Rattler or anyone else who doubts you are creepy, obsessed or whatever claims you and Boz make up. (you know Boz the guy that never meet you in person or actually knows a single actual confirmed fact about you to include your finances, but backs you 101%)

    Let’s see, I’m creepy, bitter, angry, now I have an oxygen tank strapped to me, and I’m half dead. This all coming from Boz and KJ, who I have never meet, Not Even Once. It must be true.

    What I do find interesting is with several BJ rule changes in the casinos favor over the best years, combined with all the newest technology coming into play and always changing, and now with all this different type of casino cheating taking place at BJ, specialist dealers, ASM cheats, you still managed to withdraw over a million dollars never detected for over 15 years, and are still doing it.You tell me to stop questioning you that it’s creepy. Just think for a minute what you said.
    This frickin' imbecile, crybabyhole, is a total fucking idiot. There is evidence of dealer cheating. KJ provides a link. Did KJ make crybabyhole click on the link. No, crybabyhole, who refuses to accept any responsibility for his own actions, clicked on the link all by his little lonesome crybaby bitch ass self. Then blames others because he clicked on the link. You can't make this shit up. Repeat. You can't make this shit up. Dan, would you change his user name to bizarre-bonehead-hole?
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  11. #51
    Mickeycrimm stop with blackhole for a moment. What's your opinion about the claims of the poster who said he was a dealer and could manipulate the cards the way it was described? Do you believe it?

  12. #52
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Mickeycrimm stop with blackhole for a moment. What's your opinion about the claims of the poster who said he was a dealer and could manipulate the cards the way it was described? Do you believe it?
    As it was described I can see it is an easy thing to do. My opinion is NGC should be informed of the possibility. NGC should start an undercover investigation to see if it is going on and how prevalent it is. And perpetrators should be punished. They need to send a big message that it won't be tolerated.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  13. #53
    Easy thing to do? For a magician, maybe. But you'd also need psychic powers to know where the player would place the cut card.

  14. #54
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    To throw another unproven bullshit claim story at us just like the ASM claim looking for a thumbs up or thumbs down.
    Boy you are an idiot Blackhole. You really are. Talking shit about a subject matter that you have no clue about. A lot of that goes on, on this site. On a site full of dunces, you are the biggest. You make the others look almost normal.

    So, I think everyone knows why I stopped discussing this subject matter. My initial statements causes some harm to some local AP's who were exploiting this play unbeknownst to me. That wasn't my intent. After acquiring the machine and learning what I could, with my limited capability, I passed the item off to another AP, a top, probably "the" top table game AP at cost, with the agreement that I wouldn't publicly discuss the situation and he would "keep me in the loop", sharing some of what he was sure to figure out that I couldn't. He didn't really keep his end of the bargain, sharing almost nothing with me, which knowing how AP's are I kind of figured all along. So I feel it is within my right to now discuss anything I want. I don't think there are any AP's doing much with this situation any longer, as it has mostly dried up locally, but just in case, I am still going to not get too specific.

    So everything I posted last summer and fall was 98% accurate in regards to this model ASM and it's (altered) capabilities. The only area I was slightly off base was the machine did not leave the manufacturer with this capability. It was not programed in by shufflemaster, as I originally thought and alluded to. And while that legally, relieves them of any responsibility, I still believe they were highly complicit in this arrangement. They made it very easy to re-program or alter the programming. Almost a backdoor type thing. Although above my capability, it is my understanding almost anyone with just the slightest programming knowledge can alter the capability.

    So after I initiated discussions on several forums, the machines specifically mentioned at one specific downtown location were pulled from the floor almost immediately, replaced by older models and have yet to make a return. Of course this didn't endear me to a handful of local AP's that were exploiting that play.

    Over the course of the fall, this model machine did show up at two other properties in the Valley and were quickly exploited by local players (not me) who were all over it. And it is my understanding the top table AP and his team did quite a bit of damage out of town at several locations before machines were pulled.

    It is also my understanding that several gaming commissions, including Ours, now knows all about this situation. No case has been brought anywhere that I know of, but I don't think you will see too much of this generation ASM. I suspect Shufflemaster will soon present a next generation machine. And maybe they all ready have. I got a brief look at an ASM at a property last week that I had never seen before. VERY different design and look. I don't even know who the manufacturer was. Maybe not even shufflemaster. Getting a little better and longer look is on my list of things to do, but not top priority. I am not running around looking for this angle. I am just doing my usual thing. I'll get to it when I get to it....or maybe I won't.

    So anyway, Blackhole, you just look like the fool or fools of this site and that's saying something. My advise to you, if you have the need to spout off about shit you have no clue about, at least learn the minimal stuff about the subject matter so you don't just continue to look like the village idiot.
    Last edited by kewlJ; 01-21-2019 at 05:52 PM.

  15. #55
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    What I do find interesting is with several BJ rule changes in the casinos favor over the best years, combined with all the newest technology coming into play and always changing, and now with all this different type of casino cheating taking place at BJ, specialist dealers, ASM cheats, you still managed to withdraw over a million dollars never detected for over 15 years, and are still doing it.
    And while I am at it, let's clear up this little falsehood that you have now posted numerous times.

    Technically, I am not over a million dollars in blackjack earnings. I was briefly back in sept/oct, but then had a very bad week, falling back 30k, and have get to get back to that milestone. But I will soon. So I am ok with using that number.

    So you like to throw out there that I have made a million dollars over 15 years without being detected. Yep that's pretty close. I like that. I'll go with that.

    So a little math for you. A million dollars divided by 15 years is what $67,000 a year (average)? I have a rotation of 30-35 casinos at any given time. That's an average of $2000 I will from each casino per year? …..per year! Lets divide that out per week, because most casinos I play weekly (some bi-monthy, some bi-weekly), that is now $40 per week from each casino on average I am taking. All of the sudden it doesn't seem that difficult to remain undetected does it, Asshole, I mean Blackhole?

    Now of course Averages don't work like that. That's why they are averages. I don't actually win $2000 a year from 30-35 casinos. Some I register wins of 6,7,8 thousand some a couple thousand, some maybe only a couple hundred and a few each year I lose a bit. But the point is: Large rotation (that's why I moved to Vegas).

    But never let the math get in the way of your agenda.....Duffus.

  16. #56
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    But never let the math get in the way of your agenda.....Duffus.
    Ya know, I always say these guys are anti-AP. Maybe there are just anti-Math, not understanding that mathematics is everywhere in life. Mathematics IS life.

    Singer makes up his own math....Alternative, twilight zone math. The rest just seem to have no clue about mathematics, especially as it relates to gambling,

  17. #57
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    There is evidence of dealer cheating. KJ provides a link.
    LOL Where is there evidence you fucking idiot?

    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    As it was described I can see it is an easy thing to do. My opinion is NGC should be informed of the possibility. NGC should start an undercover investigation to see if it is going on and how prevalent it is. And perpetrators should be punished. They need to send a big message that it won't be tolerated.
    This comment confirms you are a complete idiot.

    Two-Bit Mickey just like Boz, never meet KJ, has no Idea what KJ looks like, has no idea if he really is gay, has absolutely no idea if he has any money let alone his personal financial status, but will go to any extreme to defend him and his stupid claims trying to keep the alleged forum AP alive. You're a fucking fraud too Mickey.

    Then to top it off KJ, comes back with even a new bullshit twist about the machines trying to cover his past tracks, which I'm sure he now realizes was a stupid angle for attention in the first place. Before you print these stories I really believe you discovered in a dream while you actually were sleeping, you should think things through first, and would be able to avoid a lot of forum heat in the future.

  18. #58
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    There is evidence of dealer cheating. KJ provides a link.
    LOL Where is there evidence you fucking idiot?

    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    As it was described I can see it is an easy thing to do. My opinion is NGC should be informed of the possibility. NGC should start an undercover investigation to see if it is going on and how prevalent it is. And perpetrators should be punished. They need to send a big message that it won't be tolerated.
    This comment confirms you are a complete idiot.

    Two-Bit Mickey just like Boz, never meet KJ, has no Idea what KJ looks like, has no idea if he really is gay, has absolutely no idea if he has any money let alone his personal financial status, but will go to any extreme to defend him and his stupid claims trying to keep the alleged forum AP alive. You're a fucking fraud too Mickey.

    Then to top it off KJ, comes back with even a new bullshit twist about the machines trying to cover his past tracks, which I'm sure he now realizes was a stupid angle for attention in the first place. Before you print these stories I really believe you discovered in a dream while you actually were sleeping, you should think things through first, and would be able to avoid a lot of forum heat in the future.
    More delusional psychobabble form crybabyhole. You can't make this shit up. LOL!
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  19. #59
    Mickeycrimm... I think kewlj provided the link about dealer cheating for us to realize that this was BS.

  20. #60
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    I think kewlj provided the link about dealer cheating for us to realize that this was BS.
    Are anonymous internet posts considered evidence of dealer cheating?

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