casino cheating

[MaxPen]

First of all, anyone trusting any online casinos in third world countries from the USA are fucking idiots to begin with. So, why even have that discussion here.

Second of all, KJ is a bag full of bullshit. He has better moves than a magician when he twists and turns with added bullshit trying to maneuver out from under looking like a fucking idiot. He'll change topics bringing up shit that has nothing to do with the active discussion when he's pinned. Anything that idiot says should be ignored. He would of been better off if he stayed away this 29th time he promised he was through here. Instead he comes back and makes a bigger idiot out of himself. Like he say's, "you just know when someone is full of shit".

You really should seek help for your inadequacies. Might bring some light into your existence. Might even motivate you to shed the blackhole moniker.

[Moses]

You are so full of shit your eyes are completely brown. I'm not the one writing thread upon thread about cheating casinos. YOU are. Why? Because you can't play the fucking game and want to blame them for your own inadequacies and being so naïve you think they will lay down and let you win. BULLSHIT! I've played well over a million hands in a casino, probably another million on Verite, and reviewed hundreds of sims line by line. It's called WORK.

What you think these casinos offer blackjack so you can make a living? No. You take what they give and don't take more than they are willing to give or put up a going out of business sign. Otherwise, your are writing and crying your eyes out on some forum somewhere about cheating casinos. Of course they cheat. Maybe go to a carnival where you can win a teddy bear on a fair game? Yeah right!

Instead of pissing and moaning about it all the time. Figure out what they are doing and beat them at their own game.

Why in the blue fuck is the 2 so vital that you think it deserves the same weight as a 5 in a pitch game? Geezous Carist. Have you ever taken a deep look at a sim? I'm not talking about the surface bullshit that T3 yammers on and on about.

Hell, if all you want is 50% pen, HiLo, and a limited spread? I'll be the house.

Wise UP!

Complete nonsense, Moses! You are heading down the same road as T3 and Flash before you, declaring that hi-lo doesn't work and only your super-duper method works. And this despite that thousand of players have experienced success using hi-lo or some other similar, simple, level 1 count. That includes most of the various teams, including all the MIT variations and Tommy Hyland's teams of 40 years.

If you or anyone wants to make the case for a higher level or specialty count and that the little benefit that it may gain in specific cases is worth it to you, FINE. But if you can't make that case without falsely claiming that hi-lo or simpler counts don't work, then you flat out can't make the case. The fact is any count that identifies a disparage in the ratio of Aces and Ten value cards to non 10 value cards, will identify an advantage.

The fact that T3, Flash and now you seem to need to falsely tear down other methods in order to promote your own is both weird and factually false. Nobody knows more about column counts than Tarzan. He has been working on his specialty count for 20 years, but not once have I heard him say, hi-lo or other counts don't work and only his does. Doing so, challenges 50+ years of Math and thousands of players that have succeeded using it.

You can play whatever count you like Moses. But don't tell me and thousands of others who have experienced success to the tune of millions and millions of dollars (combined) what works and what doesn't work. AND if you can't engage in discussion without flying off the handle like you just did, then you won't be engaging in discussion with me.

Come play me then. im talking about pitch. i dont know a damn thing about shoes...and I dont care. I will give you the same game as El Cortez without the "clumping." Im willing to put my money where my mouth is. Are you? HiLo, straight up. 50% pen. 1 to 8 spread. knock yourself out.

[Moses]

We both knpw I could drop you like a bad bkfst from the dollar menu at McD. you start messing with these casinos. What do u think they could do?

[Moses]

Complete nonsense, Moses!.

Common sense. If you don't get pen. You can't win.

You are heading down the same road as T3 and Flash before you, declaring that hi-lo doesn't work and only your super-duper method works.
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That shit doesn't work either. Maybe in the 80s for someone too lazy to actually track the cards.

And this despite that thousand of players have experienced success using hi-lo or some other similar, simple, level 1 count. That includes most of the various teams, including all the MIT variations and Tommy Hyland's teams of 40 years..

Good luck wonging in and out of a pitch games nowadays. Yes, please loan me $3,000 so I can go to a camp and shake Tommy Hyland hand. Maybe I will get better cards. I don't give a fuck about what someone did in the past. I only care about what I'm doing today.

If you or anyone wants to make the case for a higher level or specialty count and that the little benefit that it may gain in specific cases is worth it to you, FINE. But if you can't make that case without falsely claiming that hi-lo or simpler counts don't work, then you flat out can't make the case. The fact is any count that identifies a disparage in the ratio of Aces and Ten value cards to non 10 value cards, will identify an advantage..

I couldn't give two shits about what anyone does or thinks. But if you think the casino is going to offer a pitch game where any swinging dick that ever read a blackjack book can waltz in with HiLO and shove it up their asses for $100K a year? You're crazier than Flash. What I do, isn't really complex for anyone with a half of brain. But it IS the difference between winning and losing as well as playing today and tomorrow.

The fact that T3, Flash and now you seem to need to falsely tear down other methods in order to promote your own is both weird and factually false. Nobody knows more about column counts than Tarzan. He has been working on his specialty count for 20 years, but not once have I heard him say, hi-lo or other counts don't work and only his does. Doing so, challenges 50+ years of Math and thousands of players that have succeeded using it..

Tarzan, Smarzan. Last I heard he still giving the 6 the same credit as a 9. Reducing the lowest column to zero is different that knowing exactly what is played vs what still remains. I guess it's suppose to be a better way of guessing. So he claims to be able to just sort of wing and count the 23s,45s,67,89s, separately over 6 decks? C'mon man. I can do it over one. But what's the point? The information from that isn't of much use. Now, go 2-4s, 5-7s, 89s and you have something of value that will allow sound decision making.

You can play whatever count you like Moses.

Thank you. I will with or without your permission. It will be my own. Not some shit I read out of a book.

But don't tell me and thousands of others who have experienced success to the tune of millions and millions of dollars (combined) what works and what doesn't work.

Not only will I say this. But I will be the house against your HiLor's in El Cortez pitch games straight up, 50% pen, 1 to 8 spread double deck. In other words, I'm willing to pit my years of experience and extensive research against your forum rhetoric.

AND if you can't engage in discussion without flying off the handle like you just did, then you won't be engaging in discussion with me.

STOP arguing like a woman.

[kewlJ]

What the fuck is the matter with you Moses? I have no idea what this is all about. I guess some kind of challenge. Like I am supposed to put hi lo against whatever count you play in some kind of contest? What the fuck? I don't care what you play. I hope you have success. Matters not to me.

All I am saying is stop saying hi-lo doesn't work. That is just factually wrong proven by thousands of players and teams of players over 50+ years.

Not that it matters, because I have no intention of meeting you for any kind of challenge or contest. I play to make money. I make a living at this. I don't care about your goofy need for a pissing contest. Like I said, not that it matters, but where did you ever come up with this bullshit that I play 50% penetration? El Cortez double deck penetration runs anywhere from 60% to as high as 75%. On occasion I have played 80%. The minimum penetration I will play on any double deck game is about 62-63% if I have a heads up game. With 1-2 other players the minimum I play is 67%.

Moses, stop with these challenges bullshit. I am well aware of your challenges and threats and shit. On another forum you threatened to come to Las Vegas and shoot me. You called Norm Wattenberger at his home multiple times threatening him. I have no love loss for Norm, but you are deranged.

This is the last time I am going to tell you, if you want to have civilized discussions as you have for some of your time here, I am willing to engage. If you travel down your usual path of threats bullshit, we are done. I will simply block you and treat you like the others trolls you are beginning to act like. Your choice.

[Moses]

All I am saying is stop saying hi-lo doesn't work. That is just factually wrong proven by thousands of players and teams of players over 50+ years..

And I'm saying it doesn't work in today's pitch games. I'm willing to be the house because this is about the 10th thread you've started to complain about cheating. Yet, refuse to do anything to improve your game. So you're going to fuck up my game in order to force the casinos to play fair? Maybe, maybe if you get 75% pen. But that doesn't come without a pit boss on your ass.

Not that it matters, because I have no intention of meeting you for any kind of challenge or contest. I play to make money. I make a living at this. I don't care about your goofy need for a pissing contest. Like I said, not that it matters, but where did you ever come up with this bullshit that I play 50% penetration? El Cortez double deck penetration runs anywhere from 60% to as high as 75%. On occasion I have played 80%. The minimum penetration I will play on any double deck game is about 62-63% if I have a heads up game. With 1-2 other players the minimum I play is 67%..

I make money by spotting value trends. I see being the house against you with HiLo in double deck as an excellent value.

Moses, stop with these challenges bullshit. I am well aware of your challenges and threats and shit. On another forum you threatened to come to Las Vegas and shoot me. .

Stop being so dramatic, drama queen. I never threatened to shoot anyone in my life. All I'd have to do is blow on you and you'd run like a little girl.

You called Norm Wattenberger at his home multiple times threatening him. .

I called Norm three times within about a 15 minute period after 5 years of dealing with Flash's bullshit, threats, and non sense. Norm claims he doesn't know, never met, or ever heard of Flash or T3. Yet Flash says they were ass hole buddies. I find that just a little hard to believe considering those two dominate that forum with over 20K posts insisting on their rules their way. "This forum is our town." Flashes said. So I called the Mayor. Anyway, it's clear Norm is a pussy because he'd just hang up. So that was that. Flash got my email through Norm's forum and was sharing it with others without my permission. nuf said?

I have no love loss for Norm, but you are deranged..

Maybe. But I'm not the one writing stuff on a forum I can't, won't or don't have the balls to back up.

This is the last time I am going to tell you, if you want to have civilized discussions as you have for some of your time here, I am willing to engage. If you travel down your usual path of threats bullshit, we are done. I will simply block you and treat you like the others trolls you are beginning to act like. Your choice...

I don't give a fuck what you do. You clearly argue like a woman. IF you continue to write these threads that continue to weaken my game and rules, then yes, I will be responding. Protecting my game is simply part of my job. A very important one.

[coach belly]

I don't believe Nightshifter's BS for even one second

Nightshifter made a claim that seems suspicious to me...

"rather odd why they use an ASM on single and 2 deck games when the dealer can actually shuffle faster"

In my experience with ASMs, there are 2 packs of cards used in the game...the pack that's on the table, and a second pack of cards in the ASM, already shuffled.

After the last hand of the pack is finished, the dealer puts the current pack into the shuffler, and takes out the shuffled pack that was already in the ASM.

How can a dealer shuffle faster than cards that are already shuffled?

Or maybe I'm mistaken about the 2 packs of cards?

[jbjb]

Hi-lo can absolutely beat a pitch game. Is it the best option for them? No. But to say it won't beat them is absurd.

[jbjb]

I don't believe Nightshifter's BS for even one second

Nightshifter made a claim that seems suspicious to me...

"rather odd why they use an ASM on single and 2 deck games when the dealer can actually shuffle faster"

In my experience with ASMs, there are 2 packs of cards used in the game...the pack that's on the table, and a second pack of cards in the ASM, already shuffled.

After the last hand of the pack is finished, the dealer puts the current pack into the shuffler, and takes out the shuffled pack that was already in the ASM.

How can a dealer shuffle faster than cards that are already shuffled?

Or maybe I'm mistaken about the 2 packs of cards?

Machines are most definitely faster because it's doing the work while the other deck(s) are being used.

Now if you put a deck(s) in the ASM at the same time as a dealer starts a shuffle with another deck(s), most dealers will be faster then the ASM.

[coach belly]

Machines are most definitely faster because it's doing the work while the other deck(s) are being used.

How could a dealer not know that?

Don't all ASM games use 2 packs of cards?

[jbjb]

Machines are most definitely faster because it's doing the work while the other deck(s) are being used.

How could a dealer not know that?

Don't all ASM games use 2 packs of cards?

Your guess is as good as mine.

All that I've seen.

[mickeycrimm]

Sorry KJ, you might be right. It could've been Philadelphia. I did start the post off with I think.

My suspicions of you being a queer and having some wires crossed trying to justify your stupidity are no different then you suspicions of me Quote: "Damn your a coward, low life, piece of shit."

On another note how do you feel about my previous suggestion below. Convince your new pal Alan to do it. What do you think?


Since KJ along with several other Vegas AP’s are working Vegas casinos for a living and who would need to remain anonymous, we need to find a person there who is willing to take this to the next level.

I think Alan a resident, known gambler to the casinos, career investigator reporter would fit this setting perfectly. He should contact the NGC, local mayor, senator, congressmen, then firstly direct them all to this person’s posts claiming to be a cheating dealer for Vegas casinos.

Just put Einstein Mickey’s opinion into action. Quote: “My opinion is NGC should be informed of the possibility. NGC should start an undercover investigation to see if it is going on and how prevalent it is. And perpetrators should be punished. They need to send a big message that it won't be tolerated.”

If NGC takes no action is the reason you contacted elected officials. One of them should be willing to take the baton and run with it. If still no response then last resort would be to try contacting Harry Reid. I’m sure he still has connections with the Clinton Mafia. Maybe if we all get together and make a donation to one of their charities, we could then convince them into getting to the bottom of this.

You are the one that made this proposal so get off you dead ass and put it into action. Or are you to chickenshit? Or are you just a lazy fuck wanting everyone else to do everything while you sit on your stinking ass?

[kewlJ]

Interesting coach belly. I interpreted Nightshifters comments differently than you did. Here's the quote again: "rather odd why they use an ASM on single and 2 deck games when the dealer can actually shuffle faster..." His actual quote ended in three 3 dots. I am not sure what that is about. I always thought that mean there is more to it, or a partial thought/statement. But I am not going to guess Nightshifters meaning. There is no doubt his writing style is difficult.


So anyway back to the quote. I interpreted that he was saying he found it odd that they used the ASM on single and doubled deck games that the dealer could shuffle faster. Not faster than the machine, but rather faster than the 6/8 deck game shuffle. The 6/8 deck hand shuffle takes about 3 minutes. That is 3 minutes of down time for the casino. The double deck game hand shuffle takes 30 seconds.

THAT is supposed to be the REAL benefit of ASM for casinos, less down time. And because they machine cost money on an ongoing basis (must be leased), many casino only use them on the shoe games where they can save the most time. Other casinos use them on all games.

So I interpreted he found that odd and I kind of read into it that he was sort of hinting there may be another less savory reason why they are willing to pay the cost just to save the 30 seconds.

Just my interpretation, which I am sure you will dismiss. I really have no idea. Like I said, this guy is sort of hard to read and get a read on.

[mickeycrimm]

Coach--exactly. I don't question dealing seconds or whether a casino may cheat. But in the video where he is dealing seconds, how does he know what the cards are and when to do so. He has to have some other tool to tell him what the cards are.

As he deals the cards he is looking up at a screen that tells him what the cards are.

[mickeycrimm]

First of all, anyone trusting any online casinos in third world countries from the USA are fucking idiots to begin with. So, why even have that discussion here.

Second of all, KJ is a bag full of bullshit. He has better moves than a magician when he twists and turns with added bullshit trying to maneuver out from under looking like a fucking idiot. He'll change topics bringing up shit that has nothing to do with the active discussion when he's pinned. Anything that idiot says should be ignored. He would of been better off if he stayed away this 29th time he promised he was through here. Instead he comes back and makes a bigger idiot out of himself. Like he say's, "you just know when someone is full of shit".

You are ruining this thread. For once in your life man up and knock it off.

[kewlJ]

Just my interpretation, which I am sure you will dismiss. I really have no idea. Like I said, this guy is sort of hard to read and get a read on.

Actually, with further thought, we can just ask him. So I did. I just asked for a clarification. Made no reference to my interpretation.

[kewlJ]

First of all, anyone trusting any online casinos in third world countries from the USA are fucking idiots to begin with. So, why even have that discussion here.

Second of all, KJ is a bag full of bullshit. He has better moves than a magician when he twists and turns with added bullshit trying to maneuver out from under looking like a fucking idiot. He'll change topics bringing up shit that has nothing to do with the active discussion when he's pinned. Anything that idiot says should be ignored. He would of been better off if he stayed away this 29th time he promised he was through here. Instead he comes back and makes a bigger idiot out of himself. Like he say's, "you just know when someone is full of shit".

You are ruining this thread. For once in your life man up and knock it off.

For what it is worth mickeycrimm, I requested by PM that Dan ban Blackhole from this thread, as per Dan's guidelines. Dan read my PM several hours ago, and has taken no action. It appears Dan Druff is embracing the trolling that is destroying this site, more than ever.

[coach belly]

As he deals the cards he is looking up at a screen that tells him what the cards are.

And how would that work in a brick-and-mortar casino?

[mickeycrimm]

As he deals the cards he is looking up at a screen that tells him what the cards are.

And how would that work in a brick-and-mortar casino?

You already know the answer.

[coach belly]

You are ruining this thread. For once in your life man up and knock it off.

I disagree that he is ruining this thread.

Block him if you can't handle him, or ignore him if you can't block him.

I happen to agree with much of what blackhole posts, but I'm not going to PM Dan to that effect as if this is some kind of court proceeding.

Grow a pair...that's 2...between the 2 of you you should be able to manage that.