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  1. #41
    Thanks for the reply. Love the casino management comment.

  2. #42
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    Thanks for the reply. Love the casino management comment.
    BH is many things, but I never suspected him of being casino management. That said, you have more experience than me and anything is possible.

  3. #43
    I'm also suspicious of Blackhole's intentions but I'll let that slide for now.

    BH,

    1. How much do you know about video poker?
    2.Do you know the difference between Not So Ugly Ducks and Ugly Ducks?
    3.Can you go into a casino, find and identify these games?
    4.Do you know the payback percentages of NSUD and UD?
    5.How about the strategy for NSUD. Do you know it? You won't have an edge if you don't know the strategy.
    6.Do you have any video poker software?
    7. Are you willing to learn, practice, and commit the strategy to memory?
    8. Are you willing to put in the hours required to run the action?
    9. Are you willing to run a route to run off the freeplay?

    The same questions can be asked about Jacks or Better games.
    Are you willing to learn the various strategies involved and put them into action?

    Like I said, I think BH is up to something and it doesn't have anything to do with getting involved in advantage video poker.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  4. #44
    Question for Monet. I understand how it is simple to access free play when using someone else's card. But you mentioned gifts. I don't know any casino that gives out gifts without ID.

    Granted, you might look like your brother, but can you get away with using your sister's ID?

  5. #45
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Question for Monet. I understand how it is simple to access free play when using someone else's card. But you mentioned gifts. I don't know any casino that gives out gifts without ID.

    Granted, you might look like your brother, but can you get away with using your sister's ID?
    Are you serious?
    You are just having fun with me right?
    The people who give me their cards go to the Casino themselves and pick up their gifts and food.
    Most of them do not even understand how to go to a machine and take off the free play.
    If someone burned me I just wouldn't deal with them again but I haven't ever had that problem.
    Sometimes some of these people screw up and change their pin because they don't know what they are doing at the club.
    We get it fixed when something like that happens.
    I don't pick up the gifts for other people silly goose.

  6. #46
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Question for Monet. I understand how it is simple to access free play when using someone else's card. But you mentioned gifts. I don't know any casino that gives out gifts without ID.

    Granted, you might look like your brother, but can you get away with using your sister's ID?
    Alan, the gifts go to the person whose name is on the card. Monet isn't interested in gifts. I'm not a multi-carder and most gifts I don't want. But I did score a nice combination flash light/socket set for the car a few weeks ago. With most gifts I just set them down somewhere near the entrance for someone else to grab.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  7. #47
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    I'm sorry, but if an adult doesn't have a stable residence, be it paid for, buying or renting: they're losers..
    I didn't say he was a winner. I said he was interesting. I'm amazed at the amount of money and gifts that go though his hands everyday. He doesn't even ask. I couldn't imagine going through life the way he does. Quite frankly, it scares me.

    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    Further, those who don't want to hold down a job are losers..
    I agree.

    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    A successful AP is not necessarily a loser, as to be successful the AP must satisfy the first criteria listed above.
    AP, if that is one I am requires more discipline, perfection, and patience than any job I've ever held or business I've had. I've also found it ironic that the same people who judge me are the people asking me for money.

    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    Those who are houseless are a drain, a scourge, and an abomination.
    IF someone chooses to sleep under a bush in the wilderness? Not my circus. Not my monkey. But when they start taking up residency in the casinos? Houston, we have a problem.

  8. #48
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    But hey, if you want to be homeless, go for it; if you want to give money to a homeless piece of shit, be my guest.
    Someday's I contribute. Most days I don't. But the one thing I've learned is once you contribute you become a target. It's a little bit like quick sand. You sink deeper and deeper as they want/need more and more.

    Some guys I've talk to don't ask for anything. One guy lost his wife and daughter in a train/car accident. They'd had a big fight and stormed off to Walmart and he didn't go with them that time. HE is a fairly normal guy, it just seems like something broke inside him.

  9. #49
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Question for Monet. I understand how it is simple to access free play when using someone else's card. But you mentioned gifts. I don't know any casino that gives out gifts without ID.

    Granted, you might look like your brother, but can you get away with using your sister's ID?
    Are you serious?
    You are just having fun with me right?
    The people who give me their cards go to the Casino themselves and pick up their gifts and food.
    Most of them do not even understand how to go to a machine and take off the free play.
    If someone burned me I just wouldn't deal with them again but I haven't ever had that problem.
    Sometimes some of these people screw up and change their pin because they don't know what they are doing at the club.
    We get it fixed when something like that happens.
    I don't pick up the gifts for other people silly goose.
    I just wanted to be sure of that, because that rules out taking visitors from out of state to a casino to sign up for a card and telling them they can pick up gifts and meals when they live in Florida or New Hampshire.

    And please don't be sarcastic in your answers. We'll all accomplish more without the sarcasm.

  10. #50
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    I'm also suspicious of Blackhole's intentions but I'll let that slide for now.
    .
    I dunno Mick. From what I've read, he has 3 successful sons and helps them in their business. This is strictly entertainment for him. I don't have a problem with him or that. Personally, I think if you read between the lines, he is a bright guy with a lot of savvy. He responds to bull shit and likes to fuck with people. Anyway, that's my take.

    There is a guy in the sports book who loves to mess with the bettors heads by rooting for the other team. He is very good at it. Out of towners get pissed off and threaten to kick his ass so he runs to security. But security had enough of him at one casino and banned him.

    Now he sits alone for the most part.

  11. #51
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post

    I just wanted to be sure of that, because that rules out taking visitors from out of state to a casino to sign up for a card and telling them they can pick up gifts and meals when they live in Florida or New Hampshire.

    And please don't be sarcastic in your answers. We'll all accomplish more without the sarcasm.
    I may give up on the Trolling.
    I may give up on the Foul Language.
    I am never going to give up being Sarcastic.
    I will be Sarcastic any time I choose.

    It is obvious you still don't understand what to do or what is going on.
    I map this stuff out constantly but most people just do not understand it.
    This works just as well for people who are out of state.
    Offers are different and usually you use a local address anyways.
    Those individuals do not care about food or gifts.
    Those individuals want a cut of the Free Play and usually at a higher percentage.

  12. #52
    You raised the subject of food and gifts, Monet... no one else mentioned it. Had you stuck with free play there wouldn't be any issue.

    I understand what you're doing perfectly well.

    Stop being holier than thou. I get it.

  13. #53
    Originally Posted by Moses View Post
    IF someone chooses to sleep under a bush in the wilderness? Not my circus. Not my monkey. But when they start taking up residency in the casinos? Houston, we have a problem.
    Talk about a sense of humor, this is a classic...made me laugh out loud, and I was by myself. You’re very creative in the way you express yourself, which is why you're one of my favorite posters. And you don’t put your finger in the air to see which way the wind is blowing before you have an opinion.

    I go on zenzone (what you call your little island...good choose of words, btw) everyday to see if you’ve posted something. I’ve found some very good - and entertaining posts - over there. Learned a lot from you over the years as a lurker. Thanks!

  14. #54
    Winter is the season for extra "socks".

  15. #55
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Winter is the season for extra "socks".
    I thought it was the season for discounted hotel rooms.

  16. #56
    Thanks Bob. I'm glad Norm banned me. I remember trying select my words so, sooo carefully. Norm and his sock puppets makes it appear posters are so feared by him they wouldn't say "shit" if they suddenly realized they bit into it. Nope, he's just another guy who evidently doesn't like being in his own skin.

    I enjoy my newfound freedom of speech. Good to know someone is listening.

    I will say this about KJ. He stands up for what he believes in. This makes him unique...and also banned. lol

  17. #57
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    It's a no brainer why Monet started this thread. He's throwing it in the face of the WoV'ers that tried to shut down and delete Darkoz' thread. No chance of that happening here which I'm sure pisses a lot of them off. LOL! I don't blame him after the way he got treated over there. To many people over there think they run the show. Think they can get people to shut up.

    The one thing I find amusing about exposing certain plays is I get to be called a dumbass by idiots like Singer and Blackhole....and I get to be called a snitch by some AP's for exposing secrets. Hilarious. How does that song go "Stuck in the middle with you."
    https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-...-nightmare/59/

    Quote: DarkOz

    Axel
    Respectfully
    You claim I am messing up master plays
    That this whole thread is super dangerous
    Then ridicule that I know anything
    It is obvious to most that I specialize in one area
    When you find a neurologist who writes books on orthopedics let me know. There is nothing wrong with specialization
    But dont pretend I am not knowledgeable while ragging about how entire plays are in danger from me. You are only displaying how good you really know I am


    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    I don't know that I said you were messing up anything, I only complained that you were talking about one aspect. There is/was absolutely no reason to mention that part in your story. Why do you want to alert casinos and dark-siders about this? Sure casinos know its happening, however, they may not know the scale of it. And now you are talking big numbers. Darksiders might use posts like this to scare the hell out of casinos. There may be places and people who don't know, so why spread the word? The more times people mention certain stuff online, the more likely it is that they will find ways to prevent it. Your discussion here prompted other people to talk about it on other forums. You already helped mess up some machines on a play here in vegas since you didnt think it was a play or whatever.

    Can you tell me how talking about this stuff helps us or you? Its just selfish gloating IMO.

    I know I probably won't ever get though to some people, however, there will be others that think about sharing TMI on forums. If i can help save one play or make something last longer, I will keep on fighting the good fight. I will continue trying to help wise up chumps, not to wise up chumps.

    P.S. Now we have an anti AP guy claiming hes going to try it. Inspired by you, who inspired somome else to talk about it. Guess what happens when people have no clue what they are doing, and then they do stuff.
    Originally Posted by RS__ View Post
    The only reason to bring this stuff to light is if you don’t see the true value of what’s out there. I mean, there may be other reasons (like if you’re mentally retarded, but DarkOz obv doesn’t fit that type). I’ve met plenty of APs that think they found the golden goose because they have a 2% edge on some low limit game and think that’s the top tier stuff.
    AW, RS and other WoVers have nobody to blame but themselves.
    I didn't start this war but I will finish it as I have stated before.
    Those guys can't even post the name of this forum or who said what on WoV.
    As I recall we are toxic and not to be paid any attention of according to BBBs advice to Nathan.
    I am sorry that not all APs are able to find the 10% constant winners like RS.
    2% winners with hardly any chance of Heat is always going to be fundamental for advantage players.
    Nobody, including myself ever said 2% winners were top tier.
    The real Pros do not even get out of bed for anything less than 400 dollars per hour.
    However that is not the average nor is it the type of play that a peasant can play day in and day out.

    As I have stated many times before I am a small fish.
    I am a nobody with little and limited knowledge.
    Most people on these forums read my posts and say they are low level and untrue and not worth the time.
    I agree... entertainment only. They do not work. Do not attempt to employ any of the information I have provided.

    They want to fight the good fight of suppression.
    I will just post when I feel like it.
    You can trust that they employ many more shady tactics than they profess.
    One of their own ex team members have confirmed information about what one of them does.
    No big deal and no need to post the names and tactics.
    The point is they like to paint themselves as the white knights, which they are not.
    Last edited by monet; 01-24-2019 at 08:17 PM.

  18. #58
    This is an example of one card I have at the Stations.
    You can see the mailer for Jan 2019 and Feb 2019.
    I know this mailer relates to the same players card but I won't prove it to the forum.
    This will cause speculation and ammunition for the skeptics.

    I let the play fall off for a few months till it got down to 25 dollar free plays.
    Next month the mailer jumped up to 150 dollar free plays.
    When you know how the mail works you can play one session and it should bump your mailers up again.
    You must be very careful though.
    Many Casinos have No Mailed and 86'd players for manipulating the Mailer System.
    I ended up putting in around 60k coin and showed a 3000 dollar loss.
    Switched cards and continued to play.
    I went home losing around 1200 total.
    When you play this way you can expect to go home many days with losses.
    You have to hit the top of the pay scale and wait for the backside to get your profits.
    This strategy is a calculated risk. You certainly can get burned on the backside at times.
    Even the players who are the best at this have been 86'd or No Mailed.
    AxelWolf has posted many times how he has been escorted out of Casinos.

    EvenBob from WoV and others like to use the "Loose Lips Sink Ships" theme.
    All of a sudden, EvenBob is some sort of Top Tier AP.
    They should study up on how that was American Propaganda and False Information.
    The truth is America and the Allies were getting flat out beat in the waters.
    They used this propaganda to redirect the blame since they didn't want to admit they were getting beat soundly.
    They also used it as a scare tactic to suppress the truth or dissuade rumors.
    Rumors were the main problem because they would spread so quickly and could slow military production.
    It worked on the general populace and put fear into them as usual.
    Not that the saying doesn't hold water but the history of it is ironic.

    Currently we have "See Something Say Something" to put fear into your heart and spy on your neighbor.
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    Last edited by monet; 01-25-2019 at 07:09 PM.

  19. #59
    I didn't notice this until today... but Suncoast has some multi card holder pigs. They're pigs because they'll stand at the kiosks and swipe half a dozen cards or more to collect their $5 or $10 of free play while there's a line of others waiting to swipe.

  20. #60
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    I didn't notice this until today... but Suncoast has some multi card holder pigs. They're pigs because they'll stand at the kiosks and swipe half a dozen cards or more to collect their $5 or $10 of free play while there's a line of others waiting to swipe.
    I have mentioned this several times, not specific to Suncoast. If casinos are going to really crackdown on this, as boyd properties have apparently decided to attempt to do, they are going to be cracking down on a lot of small time local players cashing in spouse's, brother's, sister's, children's free play and bonus offers.

    I can't tell you how many times I have been behind someone at a kiosk that is swiping 3, 4, 5 cards. And it is not some AP. IT is just some small player cashing in free play and bonus offers of family and friends. It is very blatant and easy to see. Are the really going to crack down on AP's but ignore this same things from small local type players?

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