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  1. #21
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    I'll sum up BH:

    "AP is possible but nobody is getting away with it and the ones that say they are, are liars."

    Let him keep telling people this!
    And he has a right to say it.

    I think there are APs who do make money. But I want some proof of the extraordinary claims. And yes, Rob Singer never proved his claims with tax returns. We've been there, done that. But it's the $800 an hour claims I question.
    Who made the $800 an hour claim? Before you said $500, now it's $800. Most AP's don't claim to be constantly making large amounts per hour. Plays do and have come up that are worth hundreds or even thousands per hour, but its not that often.

  2. #22
    Bob21 is not kewlJ. Nowhere near one another.
    Check out my poker forum, and weekly internet radio show at http://pokerfraudalert.com

  3. #23
    Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Bob21 is not kewlJ. Nowhere near one another.
    Is he from the east coast? Regardless, many more ways to create a sock not from your own IP. I'd bet the ranch on BOB21 is a KJ sock.

  4. #24
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Bob21 is not kewlJ. Nowhere near one another.
    Is he from the east coast? Regardless, many more ways to create a sock not from your own IP. I'd bet the ranch on BOB21 is a KJ sock.
    I have a lot of ways to tell if it's a true IP or an attempt to hide.
    Check out my poker forum, and weekly internet radio show at http://pokerfraudalert.com

  5. #25
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    I'll sum up BH:

    "AP is possible but nobody is getting away with it and the ones that say they are, are liars."

    Let him keep telling people this!
    And he has a right to say it.
    Sure. I don't have a problem with him being anti AP. He just needs to leave all the smearing, insulting, and name calling out of it. If he can do that he won't have a problem.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  6. #26
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post

    And he has a right to say it.

    I think there are APs who do make money. But I want some proof of the extraordinary claims. And yes, Rob Singer never proved his claims with tax returns. We've been there, done that. But it's the $800 an hour claims I question.
    Couple of things.

    You don't travel the country to find and play these $800 an hour games like we do.

    You only go to a few areas of a casino. We'll check every square foot out.

    You don't look for casino "mistakes" like we do.

    I'm sure there are others. If you did what we do, you'd find those huge plays and more as well.
    More of your unsubstantiated AP secrets.
    Yes, and pretty much going to stay unsubstantiated. The last think you do is broadcast it when you find it unless you want other AP's to move in and take the money. Also, it is not a requirement that it be substantiated to you. If you don't believe it no one cares.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  7. #27
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post

    Couple of things.

    You don't travel the country to find and play these $800 an hour games like we do.

    You only go to a few areas of a casino. We'll check every square foot out.

    You don't look for casino "mistakes" like we do.

    I'm sure there are others. If you did what we do, you'd find those huge plays and more as well.
    More of your unsubstantiated AP secrets.
    Yes, and pretty much going to stay unsubstantiated. The last think you do is broadcast it when you find it unless you want other AP's to move in and take the money. Also, it is not a requirement that it be substantiated to you. If you don't believe it no one cares.
    Exactly Mickey. It's better if they don't believe us.

  8. #28
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post

    And he has a right to say it.

    I think there are APs who do make money. But I want some proof of the extraordinary claims. And yes, Rob Singer never proved his claims with tax returns. We've been there, done that. But it's the $800 an hour claims I question.
    Couple of things.

    You don't travel the country to find and play these $800 an hour games like we do.

    You only go to a few areas of a casino. We'll check every square foot out.

    You don't look for casino "mistakes" like we do.

    I'm sure there are others. If you did what we do, you'd find those huge plays and more as well.
    More of your unsubstantiated AP secrets.
    That dealer I showed you should substantiate them. At 2 x $400 a hand and at a conservative 8% edge (13% if played perfectly like hitting 19 vs 20) and another conservative 45 rounds per hour, that's $2880 an hour for that player.

  9. #29
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    I'll sum up BH:

    "AP is possible but nobody is getting away with it and the ones that say they are, are liars."

    Let him keep telling people this!
    And he has a right to say it.
    Sure. I don't have a problem with him being anti AP. He just needs to leave all the smearing, insulting, and name calling out of it. If he can do that he won't have a problem.
    My point is that there are other posters here who just do smearing, insulting and name calling and Dan dies not ban them. In fact, one of them was banned and then Dan lifted his ban and he was back at it.

  10. #30
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    $2880 an hour for that player.
    How many hours are you permitted to play at that earn rate?

    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    It's better if they don't believe us.
    Why is it better not to be believed?

  11. #31
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    $2880 an hour for that player.
    How many hours are you permitted to play at that earn rate?

    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    It's better if they don't believe us.
    Why is it better not to be believed?
    Get a crew and figure it out yourself.

  12. #32
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    It's better if they don't believe us.
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Why is it better not to be believed?
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Get a crew and figure it out yourself.
    A crew can help explain why someone would make over 2000 posts on a forum, with the preference not to be believed?

  13. #33
    Call me naïve. But it is just barely possible Bob in a new member and a previous lurker?
    Last edited by Moses; 01-27-2019 at 11:15 AM.

  14. #34
    Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Bob21 is not kewlJ. Nowhere near one another.
    I’ll try once again to explain who I am and why I registered on this site. I’ve already done it once but apparently blackhole missed it. I’m a part time counter who has been lurking on these sites for one or two years.

    My motive for registering on this site was to ask Moses a question about his system, since he does something different than Hilo, which is my system...and btw what most people use.

    When I asked my questions I probably was somewhat complementary of Moses and KJ. That usually helps in getting a decent response, which is what I got. Since I’ve been busy this weekend with other things, I haven’t had a chance to thank KJ for his answer to my question. But it was much appreciated and helped me understand his views (the pros and cons) of team play. Thank you!

    As far as being a sock of somebody I would think blackhole would see me as Moses’s sock rather than KJ, since most of my complementary posts have been toward Moses. Moses is by far my favorite poster due to his creative way he expresses himself. He has a unique and creative sense of humor. I do go on Zenzone at least once a day to see if he’s posted something there.

    I like this forum and the fact that Dan is slow to ban people and lets people express their views in the way they want, even thought it might hurt someone’s sensibilities. I don’t mind ridicule, sarcasm or being poked fun at because I like to do some of that myself. It makes these forums interesting adds some spark to them. A little creative name calling never hurt anybody, if it isn’t taken too far that is.

    With this said, it does seem like blackhole has an agenda that I’m having a hard time understanding. He seems to be a bitter person that just likes to cause trouble because he doesn’t have anything better to do. I actually feel sorry for him.

  15. #35
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Who made the $800 an hour claim? Before you said $500, now it's $800. Most AP's don't claim to be constantly making large amounts per hour. Plays do and have come up that are worth hundreds or even thousands per hour, but its not that often.
    I dunno Axel. If I'm making $800 or $500 an hour, it's for damn sure I'm not going to broadcast it. Someone may want to occupy my seat. Shrewd. My money investments make far more than my money and time investments. If other words, if I'm travelling, it makes it damn hard to bet on games (out of state). If my ass is in a leather seat at a blackjack table, chasing the almighty EV, then it's difficult to know what the market is doing. Plus there is the health considerations. I can workout while watching a game. But jump down off your chair in the middle of a casino and start doing pushups? Probably going to get some strange looks.

  16. #36
    I'll be honest, something still just doesn't feel right to me about this. But anyway, even if you have a sock that is asking someone legitimate questions, one of the good things is that if you answer, you are not only answering that sock but providing that answer for others, maybe even others that will read at some point in the future. That is precisely why I still answered Bob21, even when I suspected he might be a sock.

    And given what has become public today, I have more thoughts/opinion for Bob21, not that he has asked me. My only problem now, is to figure out where to post those thoughts since my suggestion that the Moses/ Bob21 blackjack discussion be broken off into it's own thread wasn't done. So this is all over the place now, in multiple threads.

  17. #37
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    I actually feel sorry for him.
    I wouldn't feel too sorry for Blackhole. HE probably has his ducks in a row far better than most. My friend 82 year young friend Lou gets pissed at more stuff around him that I don't even notice. I swear, he will jump, and it's like he heard a fly fart in a casino 3 miles away. But he's got a ton of savvy and knowledge. But Lou loves to get under peoples skin...and he is damn good at it. Hmmm. Maybe Blackhole is Lou?

  18. #38
    Maybe it's like Dylan Thomas wrote:

    "Do not go gentle into that good night,
    Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
    Rage, rage against the dying of the light."
    What, Me Worry?

  19. #39
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    With this said, it does seem like blackhole has an agenda that I’m having a hard time understanding. He seems to be a bitter person that just likes to cause trouble because he doesn’t have anything better to do. I actually feel sorry for him.
    You told me this more than once KJ. Just like all your other stories, but I'm really having a hard time excepting how far you're willing to take this one.

    You even started a thread for the 3 of you. LOL

  20. #40
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    With this said, it does seem like blackhole has an agenda that I’m having a hard time understanding. He seems to be a bitter person that just likes to cause trouble because he doesn’t have anything better to do. I actually feel sorry for him.
    You told me this more than once KJ. Just like all your other stories, but I'm really having a hard time excepting how far you're willing to take this one.

    You even started a thread for the 3 of you. LOL
    Look numb-nuts you made your accusation. The forum owner looked into it and gave you a definite 'no. Not an "I don't thinks so" or "not likely" I definite 'NO'.

    Now I am not a tech guy, so I don't know much about these changing IP address techniques. And that is why each time I have attempted to use sock puppets I have been "caught" immediately. And for the record, those times were not for the purpose of adding credibility to my claims or anything I says as most sock puppets are. I simply wanted to continue to participate on forums that I was banned from. I used handles like Kewlj-2, kewlj-3 at WoV, (maybe it was KJ 2 & 3) and the third time LVkid. None of which were trying to hide who I was for the purpose of tricking anyone. Just wanted to voice my opinion.

    The final time on a different site, I did use spiderman. But again, I wasn't trying to trick anyone. I went out of my way for the members of that forum to know who I was. I just had something very important I wanted to share with the community (ASM cheating experience).

    So you see, you are acting like a dope. You made your false accusation based on your obsession with me. Dan Druff unequivocally told you that you were wrong. And Dan Druff is an expert in this field. And just like everything else, you refuse to accept reality. Always the same thing with you guys. You live in the twi-light zone.

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