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Thread: Questions/thoughts - Moses & Bob21

  1. #21
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    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    You say you’ve found some casinos that are more tolerant than others. What do you look for? How much camouflage betting do you use? Meaning do you do something like dual ramp betting or starting off the shoe with a bigger bet?

    I know some of this info is sensitive so you might not want to give advice on this. But since this site isn’t considered a bj site, I expect there aren’t many casino employees lurking here. But what do I know? Not much. Any adivce here is appreciated. And I also understand if you don’t want to give any.
    I talked about my betting camo very recently, including duel ramp wagering. It was actually the first time I ever mentioned that I use duel ramp wagering (which increases volitility) but also greatly increases longevity, if done right. As a matter of fact, occasionally I post things like that and later in the day, or the next day, I question why I was so stupid to post something like that in detail. Unfortuanately on this forum, there is a time limit for edits and deletes, so when that happens as it did that day, nothing you can do. So obviously I am not going to repeat it. But it is out there.

    Spreading both ways is another technique that I do sometimes talk about that isn't quite so sensitive. Let's say I am spreading $50-$400 on a $50 min table. 1-8 spread. Not huge spread, but not very difficult to notice either. Big tell will be what does the player do after finishing the shoe betting $400? After the shuffle does he revert back to $50? Huge tell!

    So what if <- , at the new shuffle the player bets $125 or $150. If he win or the count begins to climb, he could re-bet that amount, if he loses the wager or the count begins to drop into the negatives, he can reduce, maybe $100 or $75 the next bet, followed by minimum wager of $50 if the trend continues.

    What this means is anyone, pit or surveillance, who is watching is either going to see a spread of $125 (or $150) to $400. That is nothing....less than 1-3. OR they are going to see wagers of $50-125 if the count goes negative, again less than 1-3. They are going to have to see the counts go both directions and to the extremes in both direction (which rarely occurs in the same shoe) in order to see the FULL spread of $50-$400. And when that happens and you show your full spread, it is probably time to move on anyway.

    Ok, I am getting into the danger zone of talking too much. Danger! Danger! Will Robinson! (oddly I have seen that show like once, but I like that reference). Anyway, time to make the donuts.

  2. #22
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    I'd like to thank the forum AP's participating in this thread for donating such lucrative advice. This is one of the most educational threads in a long time here. .
    Let's go with You're Welcome for $1,000 Alex.
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    I've been practicing the Hi/Low count now for awhile and think I'm ready to give it a go. I too would like to know some sensitive info. If you're willing to donate some but not in public, please don't hesitate to PM me.
    You really shouldn't gamble. It's bad for your health.

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    Thanks KJ, I think the "duel ramp wagering" tip could be very helpful. Is that a well known reference or is that your own name?

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    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    Thanks KJ, I think the "duel ramp wagering" tip could be very helpful. Is that a well known reference or is that your own name?
    Angry, bitter old man. What a shame to spend your final years like this.

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    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    I talked about my betting camo very recently, including duel ramp wagering. It was actually the first time I ever mentioned that I use duel ramp wagering (which increases volitility) but also greatly increases longevity, if done right. As a matter of fact, occasionally I post things like that and later in the day, or the next day, I question why I was so stupid to post something like that in detail. Unfortuanately on this forum, there is a time limit for edits and deletes, so when that happens as it did that day, nothing you can do. So obviously I am not going to repeat it. But it is out there.

    Spreading both ways is another technique that I do sometimes talk about that isn't quite so sensitive. Let's say I am spreading $50-$400 on a $50 min table. 1-8 spread. Not huge spread, but not very difficult to notice either. Big tell will be what does the player do after finishing the shoe betting $400? After the shuffle does he revert back to $50? Huge tell!

    So what if <- , at the new shuffle the player bets $125 or $150. If he win or the count begins to climb, he could re-bet that amount, if he loses the wager or the count begins to drop into the negatives, he can reduce, maybe $100 or $75 the next bet, followed by minimum wager of $50 if the trend continues.

    What this means is anyone, pit or surveillance, who is watching is either going to see a spread of $125 (or $150) to $400. That is nothing....less than 1-3. OR they are going to see wagers of $50-125 if the count goes negative, again less than 1-3. They are going to have to see the counts go both directions and to the extremes in both direction (which rarely occurs in the same shoe) in order to see the FULL spread of $50-$400. And when that happens and you show your full spread, it is probably time to move on anyway.
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    KJ, KJ, Kewlj: I hate to be contrary Larry, but I see this all the time in a pitch game. The problem is a player gets so caught up in camo that he forgets to play the game. They opened the deck beyond a price to value ratio. Now, they drop back if the count is negative. But they throw too much money at the first half of the deck growing positive. Now by the time they reach a true value, which occurs about 90% of the time, at the end of the deck, the dealer is shuffling it away. I love these guys who fill the tray so I can take out my winnings without notice.

    Of course, if you're talking shoes then I have no clues.
    Last edited by Moses; 01-28-2019 at 11:31 AM.

  6. #26
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Angry, bitter old man. What a shame to spend your final years like this.
    I throw out the olive branch for a truce. I decided to take as much advice as possible to supplement my measly retirement income, and this is how you respond? Spending a fair amount of time in Nevada, close to the casinos, I might have a good opportunity to pick up some side money.

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    A,bom: Then you better stop in and let me buy you lunch. You're a hoot.

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