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  1. #161
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    instead of coach belly, I will refer to him as Singer sock # ?? Dan Druff just can't be this stupid.
    Just to be clear...are you asserting that I and Rob Singer are the same person?

  2. #162
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Just to be clear...are you asserting that I and Rob Singer are the same person?
    Whether the same person using methods to change IP address and location (and there are new methods everyday) or some sort of accomplice that is fed information and what to say, makes no difference to me. It is a scheme trolls with an agenda use to gain credibility and there is far too much of it on this forum.

    Todd Witteles (Dan Druff) who is supposed to be knowledgeable in this area, looks the other way because he enjoys this nonsense and this isn't a serious gambling related forum, it is simply a plaything for Dan.

  3. #163
    Originally Posted by kewlJ
    "At my level of play, I experience about 12-14 "five figure" days a year. That is combined, winning and losing. Without going back and looking, maybe 5-7 losing Five figure days and 7-9 winning five figure days. So they are routine. So on a Monday, I experience a five figure losing day and by the way a five-figure losing day doesn't mean that I sit down at a table and lose 10 grand. It's over 4 or 5 sessions.

    So anyway, I lose five figures on a Monday. What would you have me do? Stop playing for the week? For the month? what? That's not going to help me get to the 80,000 rounds I need to get to for the year if I stop playing because of some artificial "stop loss limit". :"

    Moses response:

    "No. You select better games. Put yourself in a better position to win."

    Moses, that sounds nice if you can find them, but and this is important what is the reality of better games? Even greater volatility especially if you are talking about short term "in hands played" time frames.


    "Originally Posted by kewlJ
    Long-term Moses. It's all about Long-term. :

    Moses response:

    "Lots of losers talking about long term. Get game. Let the game come to you.

    The deer doesn't just jump in the truck and say "shoot me, right here."


    Moses, the game edges for the player are very small, and there is plenty of volatility associated with the game. What is it that you cannot accept that players should be immune to short term swings? In the case of of higher limit players it is only natural that swings will be more profound. We are talking about shoe games with much bigger spreads.
    Last edited by BoSox; 02-13-2019 at 12:09 PM.

  4. #164
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    are you asserting that I and Rob Singer are the same person?
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    the same person using methods to change IP address and location (and there are new methods everyday) or some sort of accomplice that is fed information and what to say
    You can't be serious...good lord, get a grip.

    Are you going to provide a screen shot, copied & pasted text, or link to verify your claim below?

    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Argentino/Singer has been banned from the food stamp program.

  5. #165
    Let's look at the singer situation, Dan Druff, an AP, who knows the math, absolutely knows the claims made by this troll are not true and not possible. Yet Dan allows Singer to make the claims. Year every once in a while Dan, chimes in with something like "you know what you are saying is impossible". But for every time Dan does that, he allows hundreds of times that Singer makes these claims. And Dan allows sock puppets, that he knows are sock puppets and/or friends connected to Singer to post, attempting to give credibility to such claims, which is the oldest trick in the troll handbook.

    Now we have Moses, come along, another problem troll, known to have used sockpuppets….right Tater? And Todd/Dan does nothing. And we are just supposed to sit here and watch these nut jobs talk to themselves like mental patients.

  6. #166
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Dan allows sock puppets, that he knows are sock puppets and/or friends connected to Singer to post, attempting to give credibility to such claims
    All you need to do to ruin Singer's credibility is to provide proof of this...

    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Argentino/Singer has been banned from the food stamp program.
    Until you do, you are one of these...

    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    nut jobs talk to themselves like mental patients.

  7. #167
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post

    Are you going to provide a screen shot, copied & pasted text, or link to verify your claim below?

    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Argentino/Singer has been banned from the food stamp program.
    No I am not, asshole. We have been over this. There are legal issues with me doing so.

    I have told you where to find it and it is not just one source. Spend the $3 or $5 or what ever any of the different sites charge and you will see who Robert Argentino really is, if you want to know. BUT, you already know don't you, because you are a figment of his imagination.

    "Coach Belly's" views mirror Singer's views on every single topic, since the day coach belly joined, right down to the dick challenge bullshit. You are pathetic Argentino. You are really very, very ill.

  8. #168
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    I have told you where to find it and it is not just one source. Spend the $3 or $5 or what ever any of the different sites charge and you will see who Robert Argentino really is
    I want to make sure that I use the same site that you did, so I can get access to the same info that you have.

    Please provide a link to the site that you used.

  9. #169
    No fan of Coach Belly here, nor is he of me, but I have no doubt he is NOT Singer. He has been around the AC Forums for years and is very knowledgeable in that area. I personally have never observed Singer even bring up AC, probably because he never had the cash for enough fuel to get there.

    I have no clue why Coach is so bitter here, but he’s actually, dare I say a quality contributor to the AC scene.
    Last edited by The Boz; 02-13-2019 at 12:53 PM.

  10. #170
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    I have no clue why Coach is so bitter here.
    I'm not sure why you qualify my attitude here as "bitter"

    My activity here is primarily asking questions.

    When the replies include insults, the dialogue quickly deteriorates.

    But I'm not bitter about anyone's results or lifestyle.

  11. #171
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Coach, I find it hilarious that you quote a 17-18-1 record as a horrific outcome...that's the worst record you could come up with?

    if you had asked me, I could have provided all 50 Wise Guys and the contest standings week-to-week gratis.
    You've been asked many times to provide any manor of proof of your claims...results, standings, links, etc...and each time you have declined to provide anything.

    In this instance, after having been called out by Singer for essentially past-posting your football picks, you replied with the following:

    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Will someone remind Mr. Argentino that The Wise Guys Contest plays (www.vegaswiseguys.com) have been publicly available to the public for the last 35 years? And that my having the best college football ATS record in the contest for the cumulative last 30 years is likely not a fluke?
    The link you provided to substantiate your plays and record requires a paid subscription to view what you referenced. You didn't recommend the vegaswiseguys site, you provided the link for readers to research your claims.

    You could have provided whatever you proof you have gratis...but you didn't do that, you provided a link that requires a paid subscription. That's soliciting.

    The 2014 results are the only results available without a subscription at the link you provided. I didn't "come up" with them, you sent them to me.

    Go right ahead and PM me your address if you want...you've already PMd me multiple times, so what's stopping you this time?

    I like the idea of a summer meeting, and an appearance on your podcast.

    I'll be in LV for 10 days wrapped around Memorial Day weekend.

    You owe me $10 grand...don't forget your checkbook

    Coach belly is, of course, incorrect. The "Retro Road Trip" thread has standings from McCusker Reports featuring my winning the college football profit title three times, which nobody else had done. The "Tipsters or Gypsters?" thread under Sports and Sports Betting explains what the McCusker Reports were about. My finishes in the Heritage Sports Race to the Super Bowl can be verified by calling Heritage Sports and asking for the list of winners. I also PMed the link to Alan Mendelson. I happen to have the McCusker Reports, as did other posters here, which list multi-year records for handicappers. The Wise Guys standings are a matter of public record dating back 30 years.

    So you couldn't find a single instance of me soliciting via PM or text or phone or email through 35 years of doing business and decades on LVA, LVAdvice, and here? Why do you think that is?

    I thought you had some intellectual heft to you, but I was wrong. You're just lame. If you gamble like you do research, no wonder you have issues.

  12. #172
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    The "Retro Road Trip" thread has standings from McCusker Reports
    I couldn't find those standings, can you provide a link to that post?

    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    The "Tipsters or Gypsters?" thread under Sports and Sports Betting explains what the McCusker Reports were about. My finishes in the Heritage Sports Race to the Super Bowl can be verified by calling Heritage Sports and asking for the list of winners. I also PMed the link to Alan Mendelson. I happen to have the McCusker Reports, as did other posters here, which list multi-year records for handicappers. The Wise Guys standings are a matter of public record dating back 30 years.
    Explaining what the McCusker Report is about is not providing standings or results.

    Advising readers to call Heritage Sports is not providing results.

    PMing Alan is not providing information to the forum.

    Whatever information or records that is in your copies of the McCusker Reports hasn't been produced here.

    The Wise Guys standings are available by subscription only, it's a private site.
    The only results available to the public are from 2014.

    CONTESTANT FINAL W-L
    BOB DIETZ 17-18-1


    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    You've been asked many times to provide any manor of proof of your claims...results, standings, links, etc...and each time you have declined to provide anything.
    You never post any results or standings that I can find, for whatever reason you have made an effort to avoid providing the info.

  13. #173
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    No fan of Coach Belly here, nor is he of me, but I have no doubt he is NOT Singer. He has been around the AC Forums for years and is very knowledgeable in that area. I personally have never observed Singer even bring up AC, probably because he never had the cash for enough fuel to get there.

    I have no clue why Coach is so bitter here, but he’s actually, dare I say a quality contributor to the AC scene.
    I appreciate your comments Box, but there is something fishy going on here. Too many people including Dan describe coach belly as "bitter" or "angry", same as Rob Singer. And coach belly backing up everything Singer says.

    This is no coincidence.

    I'll tell you what I will do. If coach claims there is no co-ordination, how about allow Dan Druff to release pms between the two of them? If I am proven wrong, I will gladly leave the forum. Dan can ban me. How about that coach belly you bitter old man?
    Last edited by kewlJ; 02-13-2019 at 03:19 PM.

  14. #174
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post

    I couldn't find those standings, can you provide a link to that post?



    Explaining what the McCusker Report is about is not providing standings or results.

    Advising readers to call Heritage Sports is not providing results.

    PMing Alan is not providing information to the forum.

    Whatever information or records that is in your copies of the McCusker Reports hasn't been produced here.

    The Wise Guys standings are available by subscription only, it's a private site.
    The only results available to the public are from 2014.

    CONTESTANT FINAL W-L
    BOB DIETZ 17-18-1


    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    You've been asked many times to provide any manor of proof of your claims...results, standings, links, etc...and each time you have declined to provide anything.
    You never post any results or standings that I can find, for whatever reason you have made an effort to avoid providing the info.

    LOL. The McCusker Report standings are in black and white in the "Retro Road Trip" thread. Bob Dietz's Integrity Sports. As I said, if your gambling prowess matches your research skills, I understand why you have issues.

    Because the football season is finished, I imagine the vegaswiseguys.com defaulted to an old splash panel. The overall site is Playbook.com. We've gone through this before. All you have to do is call them. I apologize in advance if you have to pay ten bucks or something to access the final report. It may be free if you ask nicely. I don't know. Maybe you could wait until July and pick up the Playbook Football Annual at Barnes and Noble. No, better not do that. I think the price went up to twelve bucks. I suggest you call them and negotiate a discount. You know, coach, originally I thought you were a failed lawyer or (not failed) casino exec. But man, you increasingly sound as if you're 16 years old on your good days.

    Meanwhile, if anyone besides coach wants to take a look at the final 2019 Wise Guys standings for last year, let me know. If you provide an email, I can send it to you. Note: I finished 21-15, losing both final week games by half a point each. Gambling-wise, I didn't actually lose them, but the contest is based on Monday night lines that are locked, so in the contest I lost them. I finished 19th out of 50. I think I already told regnis this stuff, so I'm not exactly shy about it. As a group, the 50 Wise Guys had an awesome record this year. Either the best or second best since I've been in the contest.
    Last edited by redietz; 02-13-2019 at 03:53 PM.

  15. #175
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    If coach claims there is no co-ordination, how about allow Dan Druff to release pms between the two of them? If I am proven wrong, I will gladly leave the forum. Dan can ban me. How about that coach belly you bitter old man?
    LOL...this is too good to be true.

    Yes - I give Dan permission to release PMs between Rob Singer and myself,
    as a matter of fact he can release any and all PMs I have ever sent or received on this site.

    Before he does, tewlj, I'll let you exercise a cash buyout option,
    that is to say you can buy your way out of this situation with cash,
    paid to me in person.

    If that's no good, then post the Singer/food stamps info that I have been bugging you about, and I'll release you from your pledge to leave the forum.

    If neither of these options work for you, then what else is there to say but...

    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Don't let the door hit ya where the dog should have bit ya.

  16. #176
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    The McCusker Report standings are in black and white in the "Retro Road Trip" thread. Bob Dietz's Integrity Sports.
    I looked again and couldn't find the standings.

    Here's the beginning of the thread, if you click onto the double arrows in the blue box next to your name, it will bring you right to the post that you made starting the thread.

    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    First of all, I want to thank mickey crimm for posting his "Road Pics." That thread motivated me to post this thread.
    Reply with a quote from the subsequent post that contains the standings, so we can all take a look...or send the post # in the thread that has the standings.

  17. #177
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    You're right. First things first. Argentino made the first claims many years ago. So let's work through it step by step starting with his tax returns that he was supposed to put up. Then we will move on to other things.
    You can start wherever, whenever and with whomever you choose. Good luck.

    The first claim I'm interested in is the latest claim made right here in this thread.

    I'll work my way backwards from that claim, which should be easy enough to corroborate.

    Post the proof, or link to the proof for the claim made below...

    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Argentino/Singer has been banned from the food stamp program.
    You're a fucking idiot.Prove your own shit.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  18. #178
    Well, all good things have to come to an end. Can't keep my mouth shut about it anymore. The Confederacy of Dunces, Alan, Rob, Belly and Blackhole now have a new member to commisserate with, Moses. Something doesn't jive with him. He's showing weakness in blackjack and even more weakness in sports betting. He shows all the signs of a "poser pro."
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  19. #179
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    If coach claims there is no co-ordination, how about allow Dan Druff to release pms between the two of them? If I am proven wrong, I will gladly leave the forum. Dan can ban me. How about that coach belly you bitter old man?
    LOL...this is too good to be true.

    Yes - I give Dan permission to release PMs between Rob Singer and myself,
    as a matter of fact he can release any and all PMs I have ever sent or received on this site.

    Before he does, tewlj, I'll let you exercise a cash buyout option,
    that is to say you can buy your way out of this situation with cash,
    paid to me in person.

    If that's no good, then post the Singer/food stamps info that I have been bugging you about, and I'll release you from your pledge to leave the forum.

    If neither of these options work for you, then what else is there to say but...

    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Don't let the door hit ya where the dog should have bit ya.
    Can't pay for a subscription but you can sure beg for money.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  20. #180
    Coach, an anonymous donor has contacted me. They are willing to pay the $3 for you to investigate Robert Argentino's foodstamp fraud. Just provide an address or GoFundMe page and the money will be sent.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

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