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  1. #21
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    Bob21 wrote:

    "Btw, if you didn’t care for this 700 post thread, why did you keep opening and reading it? Was it so you could find some nitpicky thing you could call someone out on? Why does this type of thing “float your boat”? "

    As a matter of fact I did not follow the thread continually but I do follow Don S posts. When I saw his blood pressure rising on your suggestion asking for repeated posts I busted out laughing.
    Yeah, I don’t know why Don got so riled up with this thread. I thought Norm handled it well, and he even made some comments contributing to it.

    If nothing else this thread was one of the more entertaining ones. Bjanalyst is quite a character. He never backed down from anyone. Someone called him the engerizer bunny, which I thought was a good description.

    I was as interested in the relationship between bjanalyst and Karla as anything else. It truelly sounded like a unique relationship. I thought it was interesting when bjanalyst started talking about her personal life and how some of his freinds thought he could do better, or something to that effect.

    As far as Don, I can tell I struck a nerve in him, probably when I called out his good friend, Ed Thorp. Now he attacks me when I post, calling me names. People calling me names has never bothered me so he can call me all the names he wants. I know he’s respected within the bj community but he has a short fuse, and struggles with opinions that are different than his.

    Btw, I bought Ed Thorp’s book but I’m having a hard time getting through it, since it’s basically liberalism 101 sprinkled throughout it. The more I’ve learned about Ed Thorp, the lower my opinion. I feel bad saying this since he’s made out to be a God-like figure in the bj community. But from what I can tell he’s somewhat of a nut case. Here’s a guy who thinks he can defy death by having his body put on ice so he can be brought back to life at a later time when science has advanced. I’m not making this up. He’s in for a rude awakening when he dies. He won’t be woke up by some mad scientist in the distant future. He’ll be meeting God.

  2. #22
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Btw, I bought Ed Thorp’s book but I’m having a hard time getting through it, since it’s basically liberalism 101 sprinkled throughout it. The more I’ve learned about Ed Thorp, the lower my opinion. I feel bad saying this since he’s made out to be a God-like figure in the bj community. But from what I can tell he’s somewhat of a nut case. Here’s a guy who thinks he can defy death by having his body put on ice so he can be brought back to life at a later time when science has advanced. I’m not making this up. He’s in for a rude awakening when he dies. He won’t be woke up by some mad scientist in the distant future. He’ll be meeting God.
    Thorp's book was the only book I ever read. I was so conservative back then I read the majority at Barnes and Noble before I finally parted with the 7 bucks to buy it. Okay, you convinced me. I'm not going to get iced. lol But those little perforated cards is what gave me my start to column counting. Hell, I honestly thought everyone did it.

    I would like to meet the guy someday. Probably won't happen. Just sayin Mr. Thorp. If you're out there. Lunch is on me.

  3. #23
    Originally Posted by Moses View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Btw, I bought Ed Thorp’s book but I’m having a hard time getting through it, since it’s basically liberalism 101 sprinkled throughout it. The more I’ve learned about Ed Thorp, the lower my opinion. I feel bad saying this since he’s made out to be a God-like figure in the bj community. But from what I can tell he’s somewhat of a nut case. Here’s a guy who thinks he can defy death by having his body put on ice so he can be brought back to life at a later time when science has advanced. I’m not making this up. He’s in for a rude awakening when he dies. He won’t be woke up by some mad scientist in the distant future. He’ll be meeting God.
    Thorp's book was the only book I ever read. I was so conservative back then I read the majority at Barnes and Noble before I finally parted with the 7 bucks to buy it. Okay, you convinced me. I'm not going to get iced. lol But those little perforated cards is what gave me my start to column counting. Hell, I honestly thought everyone did it.

    I would like to meet the guy someday. Probably won't happen. Just sayin Mr. Thorp. If you're out there. Lunch is on me.
    Moses, I’m not talking about “Beat the Dealer”. I’m talking about his latest book called “A Man for All Markets”. I think it came out in 2016. Ed talks a lot about how he applied bj math to the stock market. His chapter on the stock market made no sense. He tried to compare the stock market to bj. I couldn’t even get through this chapter, since his logic was so idiotic. I’m still planning to go back to read this chapter when I cool off.

    When you meet Ed for lunch, you can tell him he can save a couple $1000 by not having his body put on ice. Thorp thinks he has a 2% chance of being brought back to life in the future, if he freezes (I mean cryogenic freezing) his body when he dies. No matter how cold he freezes his body, it’s not coming back to life in the future. Btw, you should ask him where he got this 2% number. So far the only people we know who came back from the dead are Christ, and Lazarus and they didn’t have their bodies put in the deep freezer. I think there were a couple others in the Old Testament that temporarily came back from the dead but Christ and Lazurs are the most famous.

  4. #24
    Bob21 wrote:

    "I was as interested in the relationship between bjanalyst and Karla as anything else. It truelly sounded like a unique relationship. I thought it was interesting when bjanalyst started talking about her personal life and how some of his freinds thought he could do better, or something to that effect."


    Yes I read that part early on, and I went ballistic on what he was saying about his friend Carla and I make him look much worse but another member got upset so I deleted my post, Norm, would have done it anyway. At least bjanalyst went back and deleted his crap.


    "Btw, I bought Ed Thorp’s book but I’m having a hard time getting through it, since it’s basically liberalism 101 sprinkled throughout it. The more I’ve learned about Ed Thorp, the lower my opinion. I feel bad saying this since he’s made out to be a God-like figure in the bj community. But from what I can tell he’s somewhat of a nut case. Here’s a guy who thinks he can defy death by having his body put on ice so he can be brought back to life at a later time when science has advanced. I’m not making this up. He’s in for a rude awakening when he dies. He won’t be woke up by some mad scientist in the distant future. He’ll be meeting God."

    Near the end of the book Thorp set up a great foundation that will last for a real long time, so he is not that bad of a person. Pertaining to his plan of freezing his body waiting for future advancements, I believe Ted Williams family also did that to him. I hope it works as the Red
    Sox farm system is not to deep right now, it sure would be nice to see another spendid sprinter roaming the outfield.

  5. #25
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    Bob21 wrote:

    "I was as interested in the relationship between bjanalyst and Karla as anything else. It truelly sounded like a unique relationship. I thought it was interesting when bjanalyst started talking about her personal life and how some of his freinds thought he could do better, or something to that effect."


    Yes I read that part early on, and I went ballistic on what he was saying about his friend Carla and I make him look much worse but another member got upset so I deleted my post, Norm, would have done it anyway. At least bjanalyst went back and deleted his crap.


    "Btw, I bought Ed Thorp’s book but I’m having a hard time getting through it, since it’s basically liberalism 101 sprinkled throughout it. The more I’ve learned about Ed Thorp, the lower my opinion. I feel bad saying this since he’s made out to be a God-like figure in the bj community. But from what I can tell he’s somewhat of a nut case. Here’s a guy who thinks he can defy death by having his body put on ice so he can be brought back to life at a later time when science has advanced. I’m not making this up. He’s in for a rude awakening when he dies. He won’t be woke up by some mad scientist in the distant future. He’ll be meeting God."

    Near the end of the book Thorp set up a great foundation that will last for a real long time, so he is not that bad of a person. Pertaining to his plan of freezing his body waiting for future advancements, I believe Ted Williams family also did that to him. I hope it works as the Red
    Sox farm system is not to deep right now, it sure would be nice to see another spendid sprinter roaming the outfield.
    Yeah, bjanalyst went over the top with Carla and I’m sure he regretted it. I thought people were a little cruel to him on this. You can tell bjanalyst is a good person but he went a little overboard on telling us about Carla. This was our fault, including me, since we were somewhat egging him on.

    Yeah, I know Ted Williams did the same thing, and my opinion of good ‘ol Ted went down too when I heard this. Your comments on Ted made me laugh.

    I wonder how Thorp came up with such a ridiculous number as 2%. Since it’s never been done before, nobody knows what the chances are. Thorp is a math guy. Where did he get this number from? Maybe that will be in his next book. When he writes that book, I’ll be buying it. I’d love to hear his logic around this whole freezing your body and coming back to life in the future concept.

    I need to get back to reading Thorp’s latest book. Right now I’ve only skimmed it and what I’ve skimmed I haven’t been impressed.

    I do think people give Thorp way too much credit for somehow cracking the bj puzzle. It wasn’t like the greatest minds in the world were working on this. For example, in the 1940s the greatest minds were working on the Manhattan Project. I’m sure if Oppenheimer and his team were working on cracking the bj puzzle, rather than a nuclear bomb, the bj puzzle would have been cracked 20 years earlier, back in the 40s.

  6. #26
    My opinion of Ed Thorp's 1966 "Beat The Dealer" revision. A mistake was made by Hi-Lo developer Julian Braun in the book with an overlay of 7, 8, 9 rich deck analysis. IMO, Hi-Lo was a fraud created by casinos after Thorp's 1962 "Beat The Dealer" best seller. This inspired me to include an 8/9 side count which corrects the flaw of the High-Low count.

    JSTAT on casinos, poker, and blackjack/baccarat card counting without charge. Saying what needs to said at https://twitter.com/Casino_Examiner

  7. #27
    IMO there is no such thing as a soul or spirit that lives inside of you. It all has to do with your brain. If they can find a way to turn your brain back on without any damage, I think you would be the same exact person. I think at some point they will figure out how to do it. Given that I love life and being conscious. If cost wasn't an issue, I would absolutely want to be cryogenically frozen with the hope they can bring me back.

    People want to believe in God because knowing there is nothing after death is a horrible thought. Thinking there is a chance of an after life gives them some relief and hope so they don't have to dwell in fear of that notion. Knowing you will be cryogenically frozen once you die with a chance of being brought back to life could give somome the same hope and relief. IMO there is a way better chance of being brought back to life than there is a GOD or any other form of an after life.

  8. #28
    Originally Posted by JSTAT View Post
    My opinion of Ed Thorp's 1966 "Beat The Dealer" revision. A mistake was made by Hi-Lo developer Julian Braun in the book with an overlay of 7, 8, 9 rich deck analysis. IMO, Hi-Lo was a fraud created by casinos after Thorp's 1962 "Beat The Dealer" best seller. This inspired me to include an 8/9 side count which corrects the flaw of the High-Low count.

    Sure, including a side count will improve it, but calling it a fraud is about as reckless as Blackholes AP opinions.

    P.S. many of your theories have been debunked by legitimate mathematicians.

  9. #29
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    IMO there is no such thing as a soul or spirit that lives inside of you. It all has to do with your brain. If they can find a way to turn your brain back on without any damage, I think you would be the same exact person. I think at some point they will figure out how to do it. Given that I love life and being conscious. If cost wasn't an issue, I would absolutely want to be cryogenically frozen with the hope they can bring me back.

    People want to believe in God because knowing there is nothing after death is a horrible thought. Thinking there is a chance of an after life gives them some relief and hope so they don't have to dwell in fear of that notion. Knowing you will be cryogenically frozen once you die with a chance of being brought back to life could give somome the same hope and relief. IMO there is a way better chance of being brought back to life than there is a GOD or any other form of an after life.
    AxelWolf, thanks for this feedback. This is the best explaination I’ve heard for why people want to be cryogenically frozen. I don’t agree with, but at least it makes some sense.

    As far as why people believe in God, there are many other reasons. It’s not just because they fear death and are making up a story to believe in an afterlife. That’s pretty much the liberal spin on God.

    The argument for God (a Creator) is the compexity of life and our universe. All life, even the simplist organism, is incredibly complex. Design indicates a Designer (a Creator) was behind it. If a Creator (God) is behind all this, then doesn’t it makes sense that we’d want to know more about him. Regardless of who you think The Creator is that makes sense to me.

    To believe all this happened by random chance (which is what you have to believe if you don’t believe in God) you have to have an incredible amount of faith, far more faith than I have.

  10. #30
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Originally Posted by JSTAT View Post
    My opinion of Ed Thorp's 1966 "Beat The Dealer" revision. A mistake was made by Hi-Lo developer Julian Braun in the book with an overlay of 7, 8, 9 rich deck analysis. IMO, Hi-Lo was a fraud created by casinos after Thorp's 1962 "Beat The Dealer" best seller. This inspired me to include an 8/9 side count which corrects the flaw of the High-Low count.

    Sure, including a side count will improve it, but calling it a fraud is about as reckless as Bkackholes AP opinions.

    P.S. many of your theories have been debunked by legitimate mathematicians.

    LOL, legitimate mathematicians. I can back everything on card counting with math. Would love to debate them on a live podcast such as Druff's PFA Radio or GWAE. Been challenging them for years, but crickets from them.
    JSTAT on casinos, poker, and blackjack/baccarat card counting without charge. Saying what needs to said at https://twitter.com/Casino_Examiner

  11. #31
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    Near the end of the book Thorp set up a great foundation that will last for a real long time, so he is not that bad of a person. Pertaining to his plan of freezing his body waiting for future advancements, I believe Ted Williams family also did that to him. I hope it works as the Red
    Sox farm system is not to deep right now, it sure would be nice to see another spendid sprinter roaming the outfield.
    OMG. That is hilarious Bosox. Seriously, you should have that quote printed in the Red Sox press book or something. LOL

  12. #32
    Originally Posted by JSTAT View Post
    LOL, legitimate mathematicians. I can back everything on card counting with math. Would love to debate them on a live podcast such as Druff's PFA Radio or GWAE. Been challenging them for years, but crickets from them.
    That would be interesting. I'd tune in. Let me know if it ever happens.

    JSTAT: Not to jump to far off topic. But not worth a new thread either. What is your view on the 2? You can't include 2 and SCORE in the same sentence for single deck. IMO, someone screwed up somewhere and Don S got it right.
    Last edited by Moses; 02-15-2019 at 12:28 PM.

  13. #33
    Originally Posted by JSTAT View Post
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Originally Posted by JSTAT View Post
    My opinion of Ed Thorp's 1966 "Beat The Dealer" revision. A mistake was made by Hi-Lo developer Julian Braun in the book with an overlay of 7, 8, 9 rich deck analysis. IMO, Hi-Lo was a fraud created by casinos after Thorp's 1962 "Beat The Dealer" best seller. This inspired me to include an 8/9 side count which corrects the flaw of the High-Low count.

    Sure, including a side count will improve it, but calling it a fraud is about as reckless as Bkackholes AP opinions.

    P.S. many of your theories have been debunked by legitimate mathematicians.

    LOL, legitimate mathematicians. I can back everything on card counting with math. Would love to debate them on a live podcast such as Druff's PFA Radio or GWAE. Been challenging them for years, but crickets from them.
    Anyone that says hi-lo is a fraud concocted by casinos is a fraud themselves. Are there much better count systems? Yes, but hi-lo works just fine.

    And yes, your baccarat garbage has been debunked hundreds of times.

  14. #34
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Anyone that says hi-lo is a fraud concocted by casinos is a fraud themselves. Are there much better count systems? Yes, but hi-lo works just fine.
    .
    Question jbjb: Obviously, you're a bright guy. My understanding, from what I've read, you run teams. So, don't get mad at me. But I'm curious is all. I know nothing about the shoe game and care even less. But, would the wheels come off the tracks if you switched the tag values of the 2 and the 7? And then included the 14vs10 with the sweet sixteen? Really, I value your opinion.

  15. #35
    Originally Posted by Moses View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    Bob21, are you not the guy who used to often encourage the now burned out guy to post all of his weekly and monthly trips reports because you found them faciniating and educational?
    Probably. I like these type of posts because I find them interesting and I learn from them. I like kj’s posts on his experiences too. What wrong with that? Isn’t that part of the purpose of these forums? To share experiences so we can learn from them?

    Look Bosox, I know you’re going to have a hard time understanding this, but everybody doesn’t think the same. You seem to spend a lot of time nitpicking different people’s posts pointing out small inaccuracies or something else trivial. Don’t you have anything better to do? But if this is “your thing”, then go for it. Everybody has different things that float their boat.
    Bob. You bring up some excellent questions. Firstly, let me say, Bosox is a straight shooter. Trust me, we've had our battles (probably because I thought he was someone else). But he is about as nice and honest guy as you will find IMO. Also, he helped me win a Red Sox bet or two.
    No, I haven't had the pleasure of meeting him. But him a steak dinner if I ever do.

    The problem is our opponents read these forums too. Now, if you go around bragging about your experiences and income? That's like telling your boss your going to play blackjack for the day instead of calling in sick. Hence, sooner or later, you're going to get canned, or in our case 86ed. Now maybe they think they are helping a newbie? In reality they are only making our job even more difficult.

    For instance, suppose I say I make $70k a year playing blackjack. Now to a Bosox, that might be chicken feed and he might tell me so...and then proceed to tell me how to make even more because that is what he and all his buddies do. That may or may not effect me directly. But suppose that casino manager in Derby is making $50k a year, trying to send his two daughters to Friends and has a son playing football that is sophomore in high school who is eating him out of house and home. He read this while he has the only 10 minutes of his day to himself. The next HiLO card counting regular that happens to stumble in with a good run? Get's 86'ed.

    I wish Norm would set a kabosh on income/loss rhetoric like he does casino cheating. History proves the games continue to decline and rules get worse. Loose lips - sink ships. Someday we'll be playing 6.5 10 deck shoes. Someone will still be claiming to make a million dollars and 5 years later someone will say. Whoops I was lying, Sorry about that. Too late. Damage was already done.

    Newbie's can fend for themselves. Either they make it or they don't. Few will. Most don't. It's what is "in them" that will make the determining factor. Not something an AP tries to instill in them.
    Yeah, I get your point. But card counting has been around for over 50 years so I don’t think the casinos will learn much new on these forums, with people discussing their experiences. Yeah, some are probably lurking here, but with 500 casinos around I doubt if many are.

    I thought kJ made a good point about casino staff lurking on these sites to gain information to become a counter on the side. I know at least one pit boss who told me he and some of his casino buddies count on the side. He even told me which casinos they go too. He told me which ones tolerate a low level counter and which ones don’t. He doesn’t know I count, but he knows I like his stories, both of pit boss life and his side AP life. I get along pretty good with most pit bosses. As I’ve said many times, I’m not in it for the money. I enjoy doing it on weekends when I don’t have much else to do.

    I think the AP community (especially Three) is over paranoid about what is posted on these forums. I think APs are fairly low down on the casinos list of things they worry about, at least in my area. Casinos are more worried about what to do to get more business, how to compete with the latest casinos that just opened up down the block, etc.

    Yeah, you’re right the games have deteriorated over time, but I doubt if that’s due to the forums. Movies like 21 and podcasts like Joe and Yushi bragging about taking the casinos for 7 figures probably does more to drive this fear, then something they read on forums. I doubt if Zee’s posts are striking “the fear of God” in them.

    Bottom line is if people stop posting some of their experiences what will we discuss on these forums? Will we just come on them to insult each other? Lol. While that’s fun for a while, it gets old. And you have to constantly come up with new ways to insult people so that can be challenging too. We all aren’t blessed with your Treasury chest of ready made insults. Lol. I’m just kidding, but you are by far the most creative insulter (don’t know if that’s word) on these forums. Probably why you only have a couple forums left to post on. Lol. Btw, I like that you never seem to let anything get to you.
    Last edited by Bob21; 02-15-2019 at 01:08 PM.

  16. #36
    Originally Posted by Moses View Post
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Anyone that says hi-lo is a fraud concocted by casinos is a fraud themselves. Are there much better count systems? Yes, but hi-lo works just fine.
    .
    Question jbjb: Obviously, you're a bright guy. My understanding, from what I've read, you run teams. So, don't get mad at me. But I'm curious is all. I know nothing about the shoe game and care even less. But, would the wheels come off the tracks if you switched the tag values of the 2 and the 7? And then included the 14vs10 with the sweet sixteen? Really, I value your opinion.
    Moses, all due respect to jbjb you really need to ask this question to bjanalyst. He will confirm that you have a winner, to which he will say can match the HI op 2 A side count.

  17. #37
    Bob21: Good points. From my experience, I would say 99% of casino staff I've met are really good people. That doesn't mean they will allow me to come in and bulldoze them over day after day. But they will allow some latitude within reason. It's that 1% that are so damn twitchy they'd jump to hang onto a chandelier at the sound of a loud fart that worries me.

    I'm not picking on KJ. Well, at least in this instance. But saying you lose $29K in a week and then making it all back in 5 months? That 1% could say no mas at the end of that losing week and preserve their profit. I know, I know you spread it around to 30 casinos - it's only 1%. But that 1% can give you a life sentence and tell others.

    I'm just saying. One can still write interesting posts without the numbers. No? I mean we can always rag on Norm. Who wouldn't want to read that?

  18. #38
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    Moses, all due respect to jbjb you really need to ask this question to bjanalyst. He will confirm that you have a winner, to which he will say can match the HI op 2 A side count.
    I believe I will take a pass on that one Bosox. lol But all Moses has been hearing since Jesus was a little boy was Hi LO vs Hi Opt II ASC. Some (T3) say to build a new bridge and here is how. 200 posts later, the newbie can't take it anymore and jumps of the bridge. Others, like the OP, just jumped off the bridge. Bosox, JBJB suggests -just keep walking on the damn bridge. It's fine. I'm asking if maybe, "maybe" there is a simple way to jog, run, or even sprint across that bridge without jumping off with crazy notions like that of BJ Anal. Yes, that's a pun.

  19. #39
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Originally Posted by JSTAT View Post
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post

    Sure, including a side count will improve it, but calling it a fraud is about as reckless as Bkackholes AP opinions.

    P.S. many of your theories have been debunked by legitimate mathematicians.

    LOL, legitimate mathematicians. I can back everything on card counting with math. Would love to debate them on a live podcast such as Druff's PFA Radio or GWAE. Been challenging them for years, but crickets from them.
    Anyone that says hi-lo is a fraud concocted by casinos is a fraud themselves. Are there much better count systems? Yes, but hi-lo works just fine.

    And yes, your baccarat garbage has been debunked hundreds of times.
    Debunked by whom? Users with fake names? My baccarat count is the same as my blackjack count with the usual 8/9 side count. Have won big in real casino play over 30 years card counting. My baccarat count derives from Eliot Jacobson in his 2011 article on WOV. No one with credentials and a real name has disputed the validity of my baccarat method

    JSTAT on casinos, poker, and blackjack/baccarat card counting without charge. Saying what needs to said at https://twitter.com/Casino_Examiner

  20. #40
    Originally Posted by JSTAT View Post
    Have won big in real casino play over 30 years card counting.
    I have no clue about any of that.

    Why wast time making videos, educating people and talking about it? Why not just go quietly make millions off the casinos?

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