Improving HiLow for Blackkjack

[Bob21]

This post is mostly for Moses, but I'm okay with anybody's input if you know anything about blackjack. Even if you don't know something about blackjack, and just want to post an insult, go for it. I like a good insult too! Lol. Btw, I don't mind this thread getting derailed as long as the insults are somewhat entertaining.

Moses, this was the advice you gave me on ZenZone to improve my HiLo game for DD:

"Try this. Exchange the tags of the 2 with the 7. Add .5 to the 5 and -.5 to the 9. Also add 14vs10 to your Sweet Sixteen. I've already done the work and it is a simple short move that WILL improve your game considerably and will totally fuck with the EITS counting along using HiLo. It's only a suggestion from a result of my tons hours in study. But check it out. I'm fairly certain your SCORE will soar with very little additional effort extended."

I get where you're coming from, and it makes sense. Question: What index number do you use for 14 vs 10? Do you do any side counting of 7s for this play. I have no problem side counting 7s for DD if this helps me. It seems like the 14 vs 10 comes up a lot and I'd like to know how to play this hand better.

Thanks!

[Moses]

Bob. The idea of exchanging the tags of the 2 and the 7 is so that you don't have to side count the 7. As for index on 14vs10, I would recommend it be the same as your insurance index. But you can run the index generation on CV Data to be sure.

The primary reason I side count is for the purpose of insurance on large bets. So, I always side count the Ace because it's easy and I wouldn't want to bet large into a deck exhausted of Aces. You could side count the combined 2-8s, and I probably should more often. But I don't because facing the Ace doesn't come up all that often for me on large bets. Game of people played with cards.

[Bob21]

Bob. The idea of exchanging the tags of the 2 and the 7 is so that you don't have to side count the 7. As for index on 14vs10, I would recommend it be the same as your insurance index. But you can run the index generation on CV Data to be sure.

The primary reason I side count is for the purpose of insurance on large bets. So, I always side count the Ace because it's easy and I wouldn't want to bet large into a deck exhausted of Aces. You could side count the combined 2-8s, and I probably should more often. But I don't because facing the Ace doesn't come up all that often for me on large bets. Game of people played with cards.

Moses, what I do is not that different than what you’re describing. I use Hilo and keep a mental note of the low cards I’ve seen. Since it’s DD (or sometimes I play single) it’s not too hard to do that. For example, if I have a plus 2 TC and I’ve seen mostly 2 and 3s, I know it’s a weak +2 TC. On the other hand, if I’ve seen mostly 5s I know it’s a strong +2 TC, and probably closer to a +3, and bet accordingly. I also keep track of aces and 7s so I know if I have an excess or deficiency of these cards. This also helps me with my betting.

I don’t use a two or three level counting system, but I’m using some of the principles from these counts in my Hilo.

As far as the 14 vs 10, I get what you’re saying. I think I can use my knowledge of the 7s for this play more going forward. Thanks!

[Moses]

Moses, what I do is not that different than what you’re describing. I use Hilo and keep a mental note of the low cards I’ve seen. Since it’s DD (or sometimes I play single) it’s not too hard to do that. For example, if I have a plus 2 TC and I’ve seen mostly 2 and 3s, I know it’s a weak +2 TC. On the other hand, if I’ve seen mostly 5s I know it’s a strong +2 TC, and probably closer to a +3, and bet accordingly. I also keep track of aces and 7s so I know if I have an excess or deficiency of these cards. This also helps me with my betting.

I don’t use a two or three level counting system, but I’m using some of the principles from these counts in my Hilo.

As far as the 14 vs 10, I get what you’re saying. I think I can use my knowledge of the 7s for this play more going forward. Thanks!

Dang. Sounds like a column count without the columns. lol But consider keeping on eye on the 6 as well in your strategy. Probably every blackjack book you've ever read is predicated on the dealer busting. However, we have to finish play before the dealer has to move. There are 32 10s and 8 6's in that double deck. Last thing I want with a big bet out is 10,6 vs 10.

[Bob21]

Moses, what I do is not that different than what you’re describing. I use Hilo and keep a mental note of the low cards I’ve seen. Since it’s DD (or sometimes I play single) it’s not too hard to do that. For example, if I have a plus 2 TC and I’ve seen mostly 2 and 3s, I know it’s a weak +2 TC. On the other hand, if I’ve seen mostly 5s I know it’s a strong +2 TC, and probably closer to a +3, and bet accordingly. I also keep track of aces and 7s so I know if I have an excess or deficiency of these cards. This also helps me with my betting.

I don’t use a two or three level counting system, but I’m using some of the principles from these counts in my Hilo.

As far as the 14 vs 10, I get what you’re saying. I think I can use my knowledge of the 7s for this play more going forward. Thanks!

Dang. Sounds like a column count without the columns. lol But consider keeping on eye on the 6 as well in your strategy. Probably every blackjack book you've ever read is predicated on the dealer busting. However, we have to finish play before the dealer has to move. There are 32 10s and 8 6's in that double deck. Last thing I want with a big bet out is 10,6 vs 10.

Yeah, makes sense. I used to play bridge quite a bit when I was younger so I’ve always had a general awareness of the cards I’ve seen. This has helped me with blackjack. I use a simple count, Hilo, but still have a general awareness of the cards left in the deck, which lets me know how strong my advantage is. I need to use this information a little more in my playing decisions.

[Moses]

Yeah, makes sense. I used to play bridge quite a bit when I was younger so I’ve always had a general awareness of the cards I’ve seen. This has helped me with blackjack. I use a simple count, Hilo, but still have a general awareness of the cards left in the deck, which lets me know how strong my advantage is. I need to use this information a little more in my playing decisions.

I've never played bridge. Whizzed off a few of them in my earlier days.

Forgive me, but the words general awareness seem like sorta pregnant. Could you provide more insight of your thought process say at the 50% pen mark of the deck?

[jbjb]

Speaking of overpriced "bootcamps", what ever happened to "Moo", his blog and his bootcamps?

[Bob21]

Moses, to answer some of your questions. I play mostly on weekends since I work full time so the tables are typically fairly full. I try to play with only one or two other players, but most the time I’m playing with 3 to 5 other players. If I go to one of my local casinos on a Friday evening, the DD tables are full. When this is the case, I still play, but it’s moslty for entertainment and to bs with the locals...and they are a hoot.

I haven’t kept track of how much I put in action but I easily play $30,000/annually. I sometimes play a couple times a month, but when I’m traveling and away from home, I can go one to two months without playing. I’m definitely not playing bj for any kind of income, but I have made money the past couple years...just not much.

I try to stay under a $100 with my max bet at my local casinos. When I play at non-local casinos, I’ll go up to $150 and sometimes $200 on my max bet. I don’t think in terms of ROR or bankroll since my bankroll for my stakes is unlimited.

As far as our bootcamps, if we’d have to buy the boot campers helmets this would drive up our price, but I think we can fit it in the budget. We might have to charge more like $5,500, but lunch would be included so I still think they’d be some wannabe APs that would go for it. Learning Hilo, along with EORs and your column count all within one bootcamp. What a bargain. Lol. I’m starting to think we might be charging too little for our bootcamp.

[Moses]

Bob, the key word in boot camp is "boot." Now I might have spent a couple of thousand for an afternoon to sit between Don S and Mr. Thorp at lunch for an afternoon and then scurry over to Gronbogs house for a few days. THAT would've save me about 5 years of misery.

Okay, I have a better understanding of your approach now. I'm not quite wrapping my mind around the idea of counting the 1st 3 rounds because it's always been the last 2 rounds where my gravy train runs. But, your making some money, and more importantly, having some fun in the process. What I meant by action was the number of hands you play annually. But I can see now where that would be difficult to determine.

You like to keep it simple but add a twist here and there to improve your game. I "think" that is likely the same approach as Bosox. I'm guessing you may be overwhelmed at the idea of a level 3 count. Can't blame you for that. Wong Halves used to give me headaches. Literally. In actuality, there is counting three 1/2s on one side of the ledger and one 1/2 point variation on the other. It was like watching a cub bear trying to play with his peter wearing boxing gloves. No offeense, Freighter. But the other idea cuts the total in half with only one on each side. Far far easier. So don't let the term level 3 spook you completely away.

You know your game far better than me. But I would be curious as to Sim results if you simply exchange the weight of the 2 and 7 and then included 14vs10. No pain. Some gain? lol

[Bob21]

Bob, the key word in boot camp is "boot." Now I might have spent a couple of thousand for an afternoon to sit between Don S and Mr. Thorp at lunch for an afternoon and then scurry over to Gronbogs house for a few days. THAT would've save me about 5 years of misery.

Okay, I have a better understanding of your approach now. I'm not quite wrapping my mind around the idea of counting the 1st 3 rounds because it's always been the last 2 rounds where my gravy train runs. But, your making some money, and more importantly, having some fun in the process. What I meant by action was the number of hands you play annually. But I can see now where that would be difficult to determine.

You like to keep it simple but add a twist here and there to improve your game. I "think" that is likely the same approach as Bosox. I'm guessing you may be overwhelmed at the idea of a level 3 count. Can't blame you for that. Wong Halves used to give me headaches. Literally. In actuality, there is counting three 1/2s on one side of the ledger and one 1/2 point variation on the other. It was like watching a cub bear trying to play with his peter wearing boxing gloves. No offeense, Freighter. But the other idea cuts the total in half with only one on each side. Far far easier. So don't let the term level 3 spook you completely away.

You know your game far better than me. But I would be curious as to Sim results if you simply exchange the weight of the 2 and 7 and then included 14vs10. No pain. Some gain? lol

Just to make sure we’re clear, I use Hilo for the entire DD shoe. This is my baseline. In general, in the first three rounds, I use a little more information since I’m aware of what cards I’m seeing. I use this additional information in my betting.

Therefore, there are times I use this additional information throughout the shoe. For an extreme example, if I see 7 or 8 aces come out in the first three rounds, I know I don’t have much of an advantage no matter what the count. Obviously, I use this information throughout the shoe, and bet accordingly. In contrast, if I see seven 5s come out in the first three rounds, I know I have more of an advantage than what my true count says for the remainder of the shoe.

As far as swapping 2 for 7s why do you think this will help Hilo for DD? The EOR is higher for 2 than 7. Just curious. Thanks.

[Moses]

Just to make sure we’re clear, I use Hilo for the entire DD shoe. This is my baseline. In general, in the first three rounds, I use a little more information since I’m aware of what cards I’m seeing. I use this additional information in my betting.

Therefore, there are times I use this additional information throughout the shoe. For an extreme example, if I see 7 or 8 aces come out in the first three rounds, I know I don’t have much of an advantage no matter what the count. Obviously, I use this information throughout the shoe, and bet accordingly. In contrast, if I see seven 5s come out in the first three rounds, I know I have more of an advantage than what my true count says for the remainder of the shoe..

Novel idea. Can't argue your logic.

As far as swapping 2 for 7s why do you think this will help Hilo for DD? The EOR is higher for 2 than 7. Just curious. Thanks.

I've run hundreds of sims and played out thousands of hands on Verite while still playing at the casino. But I'm retired and enjoy the work...I guess. In terms of SCORE, the 2 offers very little value in either direction. The 8 is like shooting SCORE in the foot if any value is considered. The 7 is comparable to the 346. Remember, I said "and add 14vs10." The reason is it will provide additional profits by standing when at this index with a large bet out. It's really just a different, yet simple way of viewing the cards.

It's not like jumping off a bridge with Hi Opt II ASC and memorizing 500 indices, 470 of which you'd best not use in the first place.

[Moses]

Bosox. Again, first I will apologize to the readers and then yet again I speak to all the issues from the drama bullshit queen.

First and foremost. I would love, love, love to compete against KJ, Flash, Norm, or MaxiPAd at black chip level with a 1 to 8 spread.

Now, I generally play green chip because that is most easily accepted by my opponent.

I play 20 sessions a week. Because that is all I want to play. There is more to life than sitting at a blackjack table chasing EV.

I play straight up. How those 20 sessions shake out varies from week to week. But it works out to around 1500 hands per week give or take 200.

I've probably played a million casino hands in my lifetime. Ran hundreds of Sims and played out thousands of hands of Verite. IT wasn't a matter of what I wanted to keep but rather what I choose to throw out. I play the game of people with cards. KJ runs up and down the court in his uniform and tells everyone what a great player he is because he desperately needs acceptance from his peers and needs to be a role model for newbies, that are primarily a fabrication in his own mind. I could care less about that stuff.

Blackjack is a competition. Now, through that competitive spirit, I've had the opportunity to correspond with some interesting and highly competitive individuals. Bosox, Freighter, Frank, Gronbog to name a few off the top of my head. From them, I've learned certain ways to advance my game.

I'm not speaking to my earnings. However, I play 20 sessions a week. Win 60% which is easily done on CV Data sims. And $500 is a winning session but could also be a losing session. So IF I go 12-8, that's $2,000 a week. If I play 50 weeks a year that's $100K annually.

>>>Let me stop right here. Blackhole is the best bullshit spotter on this forum. So please Sir, feel free to challenge my figures if you deem me to be a liar.

If I play green chip for 5 years, that's 500k. IF I play blackjack chips I might make $50k in 6 months before I get banned altogether.

Variance: Of course I experience variance. Where do you think the 8 losses come from? If not, I'd go 20-0 every week. Thus 12-8 is good. The sessions come in all sorts of different forms. But it works out to around 1500 a week. Give or take 200. A bad week might be 8-12 or a $2,000 loss. For comparison, at black chip level is would be $8,000. Still a far cry from $29k. The variance I hate is 3 consecutive weeks of even play. It feels like working for free. Then, I might get a 18-2 week which is when all that homework pays off. It's a game of people played with cards. Therefore, the session limit is really more for the opponents concern than mine.

Game selection: I played straight up only. I won't play a dealer only going 5 rounds. I play a dealer going 6 rounds with a percentage count. I play a dealer going 7 or more rounds with a column count. I won't get into this because it will blow most people minds. There are maybe two people I know that fully understand it and only one who can do it. I'm focused on deck compositions. However, in a 6 round game, there are not enough quality deck compositions. Therefore, it takes forever to get in that position of power. Hence, quality hands get shuffled away. I'm currently working on a percentage count for deeper pen games. IF I'm correct in my thinking, I get more plays without giving up quality.

Now because of all the research I've done and hands I've played? It's fairly easy to determine KJ is a liar. Now I offered to play him. But he won't which proves he also a chicken. How can a liar and a chicken win in this highly competitive environment? So he cusses guys like me and threatens Coach. Why? Because we simply don't believe his line of bullshit.

Then he is a no show with Coach and seems to think that is not a big deal. I guess it isn't, if you don't mind the blackjack community you seem to think is so vital, sees what a big pussy you are. Yet he refuses to face me. Why? Am I different than Coach? Yet, conveniently, in his eyes, I'm the crazy one? Nope, just another excuse and easy way out for him.

[kewlJ]

"IF" I win $500 per session.
"IF" I play 20 sessions and go 12-8, that is $2000 a week
"IF" I play 50 weeks a year, that is $100,000 a year
"IF" I played 5 years, that is $500,000

Moses, IF I had wings instead of arms, I could fly.

What is with all the "IF's"? Are you telling us what you are doing or what is possible according to sims? Because that is exactly what this now sounds like....that you are one of those guys that plays and lives through sims, rather than in a casino.

Let me tell you this, you might win $500k in 5 years playing on the computer via sims, but you, nor any one else is winning $500,000 in 5 years playing in Reno. And there is not a legitimate blackjack player anywhere that believes you are doing that. A player just can not get that kind of money down in Reno for long. Certainly not on any kind of a regular basis.

I have played a small venue (Atlantic City) and know what I am talking about. You will see the same faces and they just aren't going to let anyone do what you are claiming. And I was even playing smaller staked back in my AC days than I am now.

Professional blackjack players via card counting and frankly there aren't many of us left, because of more opportunities with bigger advantages, but Professional card counters do 1 of 2 things. They either play a large rotation like I do (and there is really only one place to do so without travel) or they travel a lot. Their rotation might cover several states and areas. It simply cannot be done playing Reno.

Moses, what you are saying is not possible. I really don't care. It wasn't my intent to call you out. You brought that on when you started stating false and misleading information about variance in general and specific to my results. But I am not going to continue with this because again....I just don't care. You play your little games and call people names like a third grader. But you should really know that you aren't fooling anyone. Everyone knows what is going on.

Now one more thing: This challenge to play you. Yeah, I have heard that before. On this site actually. Not interested. I don't care about you, or any other player. I play blackjack for a living.....against the casinos! I am not interested in some little competition with some dude (who I consider very unstable) from the internet.

[Moses]

I'm not about to quote what I actually make. No matter what the figures are, it will never be enough for the AP Pro liars and it will be too much for the pit boss readers.

Speaking of IF...you have the guts. Play me. There is no SIM in Play me. Variance is a result of maybe losing $8,000 over the course of 20 sessions in a black chip game . $29K is NOT variance. THAT's playing like an absolute moron. And then to seek sympathy on a forum. Not the action of a pro but rather the action of a weak person.

Say what you want about all your experiences in the 3rd grade. But I did not nor have I ever heard of someone calling another person out, like you did Coach and then not show up. And then brag about not showing up after all your tough talk on a forum. What a chicken shit you were/are. Anyone with half a brain can quickly see all you are is tough talk on a forum.

I don't give a fuck what you of all people consider unstable. You let guys boink you in the ass for crissake. And you have hard time even finding one to do that. What in the hell do you know about stable? Btw, that comes from Lou. Not me. But he does have a valid point. My quarter say you don't play for a living. But since you won't take my challenge, I'm putting the wheels in motion to find out anyway.

My cousin and his friends will be canvassing casinos to ask the pit dealers seeing which ones know you. Hmmm, the El Cortez would be a good place to start. I'm sure you've made many friends there. You bragged that many dealers who reads these forums know you. We shall see.

Then he has a condo I can stay for as long as I want for the price of dinners and beers. I will be watching you and you won't even know it for awhile. You will not wiggle out of the shit you started with me as easily as you did with Coach. I don't think you're a pro at anything but running your mouth and getting yourself into trouble you clearly can't handle. I suspect I will find you can't count two tables. You can't wong in and out without being totally obvious. And you won't get these major runs in profit of which you speak without heat, guts, or ability.

Plus I'm certain your mouth has put you in ill will with many on forums, like with Alan as well as potential lurkers. So maybe one will PM me and tell how to find you. IT only takes one. I won't give up. You should've figured that out by now.

You seem to think I only play blackjack for a living? Wrong again sissy pants. I don't even need the money.

[BoSox]

This post is mostly for Moses, but I'm okay with anybody's input if you know anything about blackjack. Even if you don't know something about blackjack, and just want to post an insult, go for it. I like a good insult too! Lol. Btw, I don't mind this thread getting derailed as long as the insults are somewhat entertaining.

Moses, this was the advice you gave me on ZenZone to improve my HiLo game for DD:

"Try this. Exchange the tags of the 2 with the 7. Add .5 to the 5 and -.5 to the 9. Also add 14vs10 to your Sweet Sixteen. I've already done the work and it is a simple short move that WILL improve your game considerably and will totally fuck with the EITS counting along using HiLo. It's only a suggestion from a result of my tons hours in study. But check it out. I'm fairly certain your SCORE will soar with very little additional effort extended."

I get where you're coming from, and it makes sense. Question: What index number do you use for 14 vs 10? Do you do any side counting of 7s for this play. I have no problem side counting 7s for DD if this helps me. It seems like the 14 vs 10 comes up a lot and I'd like to know how to play this hand better.

Thanks!

Go ahead dbs and get everything that you need out of Moses while the getting is good. Then when you have all the info that you want, you can lay low for the right moment when he is not looking and rip out a pound of flesh from him like you are accostomed to doing, and follow up with I thought you were completely stupid on that one Moses, after all we cannot agree on everything. Besides you did not know it was me anyway for a whole two months as I was using another alias, hoping not to upset you.

[Bob21]

This post is mostly for Moses, but I'm okay with anybody's input if you know anything about blackjack. Even if you don't know something about blackjack, and just want to post an insult, go for it. I like a good insult too! Lol. Btw, I don't mind this thread getting derailed as long as the insults are somewhat entertaining.

Moses, this was the advice you gave me on ZenZone to improve my HiLo game for DD:

"Try this. Exchange the tags of the 2 with the 7. Add .5 to the 5 and -.5 to the 9. Also add 14vs10 to your Sweet Sixteen. I've already done the work and it is a simple short move that WILL improve your game considerably and will totally fuck with the EITS counting along using HiLo. It's only a suggestion from a result of my tons hours in study. But check it out. I'm fairly certain your SCORE will soar with very little additional effort extended."

I get where you're coming from, and it makes sense. Question: What index number do you use for 14 vs 10? Do you do any side counting of 7s for this play. I have no problem side counting 7s for DD if this helps me. It seems like the 14 vs 10 comes up a lot and I'd like to know how to play this hand better.

Thanks!

Go ahead dbs and get everything that you need out of Moses while the getting is good. Then when you have all the info that you want, you can lay low for the right moment when he is not looking and rip out a pound of flesh from him like you are accostomed to doing, and follow up with I thought you were completely stupid on that one Moses, after all we cannot agree on everything. Besides you did not know it was me anyway for a whole two months as I was using another alias, hoping not to upset you.

Again, do we have a translator in the house? Lol. I’m sure bobo is trying to make a point, but I can’t figure it out.

I think bobo is still upset I’m Bob21 here and dbs over on BJTF. I have a feeling bobo will probably never be able to get over this. It’s really affecting his life. I hope BOBO is able to get help. He needs it!

Btw, kJ look at this post. I’m glad bobo resurrected it. It’s my first post here where I was asking Moses a question on his count. And you chimed in. Do you see this post as a troll post?

[BoSox]

" I’m sure bobo is trying to make a point, but I can’t figure it out."

Not too hard to figure out Bob, I am saying that you are one slime of the earth fuck face.

[Bob21]

" I’m sure bobo is trying to make a point, but I can’t figure it out."

Not too hard to figure out Bob, I am saying that you are one slime of the earth fuck face.

Hey BOBO, you’re all full of spit and fire lately. You’re a real tiger when you go after somebody. Good job! I’m proud of you. You’re a real man! Lol

[kewlJ]

This post is mostly for Moses, but I'm okay with anybody's input if you know anything about blackjack. Even if you don't know something about blackjack, and just want to post an insult, go for it. I like a good insult too! Lol. Btw, I don't mind this thread getting derailed as long as the insults are somewhat entertaining.

Moses, this was the advice you gave me on ZenZone to improve my HiLo game for DD:

"Try this. Exchange the tags of the 2 with the 7. Add .5 to the 5 and -.5 to the 9. Also add 14vs10 to your Sweet Sixteen. I've already done the work and it is a simple short move that WILL improve your game considerably and will totally fuck with the EITS counting along using HiLo. It's only a suggestion from a result of my tons hours in study. But check it out. I'm fairly certain your SCORE will soar with very little additional effort extended."

I get where you're coming from, and it makes sense. Question: What index number do you use for 14 vs 10? Do you do any side counting of 7s for this play. I have no problem side counting 7s for DD if this helps me. It seems like the 14 vs 10 comes up a lot and I'd like to know how to play this hand better.

Thanks!

Btw, kJ look at this post. I’m glad bobo resurrected it. It’s my first post here where I was asking Moses a question on his count. And you chimed in. Do you see this post as a troll post?

OK, I re-read this post as requested. It is just plain dumb. Why is it the clowns that want to side count or otherwise incorporate the "7" into their count, always throw up the example of a rather obscure hand of 14 vs dealer 10. One particular hand, of very low frequency, knowing that there is a tremendous disparage in the number of 7's depleted, might make the very slightest bit of difference. This would amount to a penny an hour. And the mistakes made, even a single mistake, would cost 100 times that. And when you start assigning half values you are assured to make mistakes.

I mean what is next, are you going to side count "8's" which have even less value and effect of removal of almost zero, because occasionally, you get a hand of 13 vs dealer 10 and knowing there are "extra" 8's might mean, a extra penny every 8 hours?

You guys are freaking retarded (no offense to the mentally challenged}. This stuff has all been settled by the top blackjack mathematicians, and confirmed by computer simulations. There is diminishing returns at play. VERY diminishing returns. I don't know why you pro-count people want to go back and re-argue concepts that were settled in the 80's. These things had little value then with better games, and even less now, with worse games.

[kewlJ]

Bob21 or whatever your handle is here, you know that GWAE interview that I listened to the other night when you tricked me into doing so by using a different handles to hide who you were?

Do you remember the thread I started about an interesting comment made by Colin, when asked about the value of so called stronger counts? Colin said "every player that he knows that made any kind of real money did so playing hi-lo". To which Munchkin replied "me too". Let me add my own "me too".

So I have 2 questions for you? How many players do you know that have made any kind of real money playing the counts you are proponents of?

And #2, how much have YOU made playing a non-Hi-lo, so called more advanced count?

I am trusting you to be honest. Don't make me regret it.