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  1. #161
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post

    I do not “judge” APs, just as I don’t judge those on welfare. I have not moralized about being an AP. This is what you and tableplay are missing. I’ve said all along what APs are doing is legal. What I’ve asked is what value does it bring to other side of the equation? Usually when people make money someone on the other end benefits. Take your fisherman example, when he/she makes money by selling his/her fish, the other party gets something, a good fish meal.

    So far nobody has been able to answer me on what someone gets when an AP extracts money from a casino. The only answer I got was from Bosox, who said an AP might make ploppies lose more money, thus helping casinos make more money.
    Bob21, I see that part of your trolling style is to always work another forum member(s) (in this case Bosox and myself) into the mix when answering a post from someone other than that member. As usual, you always make statements that are completely false: Axelwolf answered your question about "what someone gets when an AP extracts money from a casino", and there were earlier answers to this question from other forum members which I believe revolved around the benefits received from people employed in the hospitality industry and at the casino itself.
    Back to the standard AP rebuttal. When you can’t answer the question, call the person a troll. At least you’re consistent. You still haven’t answered my question. So what is Axelwolf’s answer? If he answered it, I missed it. What is your answer?

    I get what the benefits are from the people employed by the hospitality industry. That has never been my question. What benefits do we get as a society when APs extract money from a casino? This has nothing to do about moralizing if it’s right or wrong. I get it’s legal to do and they is nothing wrong about it.

    I hope you don’t go back to the standard AP response and call me a troll. That response gets old after a while.
    Last edited by Bob21; 04-16-2019 at 07:06 AM.

  2. #162
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post

    I do not “judge” APs, just as I don’t judge those on welfare. I have not moralized about being an AP. This is what you and tableplay are missing. I’ve said all along what APs are doing is legal. What I’ve asked is what value does it bring to other side of the equation? Usually when people make money someone on the other end benefits. Take your fisherman example, when he/she makes money by selling his/her fish, the other party gets something, a good fish meal.

    So far nobody has been able to answer me on what someone gets when an AP extracts money from a casino. The only answer I got was from Bosox, who said an AP might make ploppies lose more money, thus helping casinos make more money.
    Bob21, I see that part of your trolling style is to always work another forum member(s) (in this case Bosox and myself) into the mix when answering a post from someone other than that member. As usual, you always make statements that are completely false: Axelwolf answered your question about "what someone gets when an AP extracts money from a casino", and there were earlier answers to this question from other forum members which I believe revolved around the benefits received from people employed in the hospitality industry and at the casino itself.
    Back to the standard AP rebuttal. When you can’t answer the question, call the person a troll. At least you’re consistent. You still haven’t answered my question. So what is Axelwolf’s answer? If he answered it, I missed it. What is your answer?

    I get what the benefits are from the people employed by the hospitality industry. That has never been my question. What benefits do we get as a society when APs extract money from a casino? This has nothing to do about moralizing if it’s right or wrong. I get it’s legal to do and they is nothing wrong about it.

    I hope you don’t go back to the standard AP response and call me a troll. That response gets old after a while.
    It's pointless to answer the question. You will just say no one has yet answered your question in a future post even if I answer the question here.

  3. #163
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    I hope you don’t go back to the standard AP response and call me a troll. That response gets old after a while.
    After your first two posts everything you did around here got old real fast. Somehow you remain clueless…...

  4. #164
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Bob21, I see that part of your trolling style is to always work another forum member(s) (in this case Bosox and myself) into the mix when answering a post from someone other than that member. As usual, you always make statements that are completely false: Axelwolf answered your question about "what someone gets when an AP extracts money from a casino", and there were earlier answers to this question from other forum members which I believe revolved around the benefits received from people employed in the hospitality industry and at the casino itself.
    Back to the standard AP rebuttal. When you can’t answer the question, call the person a troll. At least you’re consistent. You still haven’t answered my question. So what is Axelwolf’s answer? If he answered it, I missed it. What is your answer?

    I get what the benefits are from the people employed by the hospitality industry. That has never been my question. What benefits do we get as a society when APs extract money from a casino? This has nothing to do about moralizing if it’s right or wrong. I get it’s legal to do and they is nothing wrong about it.

    I hope you don’t go back to the standard AP response and call me a troll. That response gets old after a while.
    It's pointless to answer the question. You will just say no one has yet answered your question in a future post even if I answer the question here.
    Just like I thought, you can’t answer it. Here’s the reason, because there is no good answer. The casino is a “zero sum game”. That means if you, the AP, extracts money from a casino someone else loses...the losers are the casino and state and local governments.

    There is nothing wrong with that. It’s legal to try to beat casinos at their game. I do it on most weekends. But I don’t try to claim I’m doing anything positive for anybody but myself when I do this. It only benefits me, and hurts someone else.

  5. #165
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post

    Back to the standard AP rebuttal. When you can’t answer the question, call the person a troll. At least you’re consistent. You still haven’t answered my question. So what is Axelwolf’s answer? If he answered it, I missed it. What is your answer?

    I get what the benefits are from the people employed by the hospitality industry. That has never been my question. What benefits do we get as a society when APs extract money from a casino? This has nothing to do about moralizing if it’s right or wrong. I get it’s legal to do and they is nothing wrong about it.

    I hope you don’t go back to the standard AP response and call me a troll. That response gets old after a while.
    It's pointless to answer the question. You will just say no one has yet answered your question in a future post even if I answer the question here.
    Just like I thought, you can’t answer it. Here’s the reason, because there is no good answer. The casino is a “zero sum game”. That means if you, the AP, extracts money from a casino someone else loses...the losers are the casino and state and local governments.

    There is nothing wrong with that. It’s legal to try to beat casinos at their game. I do it on most weekends. But I don’t try to claim I’m doing anything positive for anybody but myself when I do this. It only benefits me, and hurts someone else.
    It benefits society in the following way: members of the hospitality industry and casino employees employed in a hospitality capacity have extra money to provide for their families. In future posts, you will ignore the fact that the question has been answered by Axel,myself and others. You will also change the question if you feel like it.

  6. #166
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post

    It's pointless to answer the question. You will just say no one has yet answered your question in a future post even if I answer the question here.
    Just like I thought, you can’t answer it. Here’s the reason, because there is no good answer. The casino is a “zero sum game”. That means if you, the AP, extracts money from a casino someone else loses...the losers are the casino and state and local governments.

    There is nothing wrong with that. It’s legal to try to beat casinos at their game. I do it on most weekends. But I don’t try to claim I’m doing anything positive for anybody but myself when I do this. It only benefits me, and hurts someone else.
    It benefits society in the following way: members of the hospitality industry and casino employees employed in a hospitality capacity have extra money to provide for their families. In future posts, you will ignore the fact that the question has been answered by Axel,myself and others. You will also change the question if you feel like it.
    I’m not going to change the question. And thanks for trying to answer my question and not calling me a troll.

    With this said, I’m struggling to understand your answer. How does APs extracting money from casinos benefit “members of the hospitality industry and casino employee in a hospitality industry”? You said they “have extra money to provide for their families.” Why do you say this?

    This only occurs if you lose money in a casino. If you win (AP example) then the reverse happens. Casinos and casino employees have less money to provide for their families. In addition, govenrments have less money.

    The perfect scenario for the casino industry (and for state and local govenrments) is for everybody to be a net loser, and just go to casinos for entertainment.

    I see the situation as the same as the lottery. Everybody understands the lottery is a voluntary tax; most see it as a regressive tax on the poor. The ideal situation for the government is for everybody to play and nobody to ever win. Obviously, if that happened, people wouldn’t play the lottery, but this is the way the government would make the most money.

    Again, this is not moralizing about being AP. You keep on wanting to bring it back to that. I get it’s legal and there is nothing wrong with being an AP.

    I’m still struggling with your answer on how an AP winning money is benefiting anybody but himself. If you’re right, then a lot of economist are wrong. Most have correctly pointed out that casinos are a “zero sum” game...meaning both sides can’t win at the same time. There will always be a winner and loser. If I win (playing with my brain), then they (meaning casinos and governments) lose. It’s that simple.

    Please clarify your position. And I do thank you for trying.
    Last edited by Bob21; 04-16-2019 at 08:29 AM.

  7. #167
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post

    Just like I thought, you can’t answer it. Here’s the reason, because there is no good answer. The casino is a “zero sum game”. That means if you, the AP, extracts money from a casino someone else loses...the losers are the casino and state and local governments.

    There is nothing wrong with that. It’s legal to try to beat casinos at their game. I do it on most weekends. But I don’t try to claim I’m doing anything positive for anybody but myself when I do this. It only benefits me, and hurts someone else.
    It benefits society in the following way: members of the hospitality industry and casino employees employed in a hospitality capacity have extra money to provide for their families. In future posts, you will ignore the fact that the question has been answered by Axel,myself and others. You will also change the question if you feel like it.
    I’m not going to change the question. And thanks for trying to answer my question and not calling me a troll.

    With this said, I’m struggling to understand your answer. How does APs extracting money from casinos benefit “members of the hospitality industry and casino employee in a hospitality industry”? You said they “have extra money to provide for their families.” Why do you say this?

    This only occurs if you lose money in a casino. If you win (AP example) then the reverse happens. Casinos and casino employees have less money to provide for their families. In addition, govenrments have less money.

    The perfect scenario for the casino industry (and for state and local govenrments) is for everybody to be a net loser, and just go to casinos for entertainment.

    I see the situation as the same as the lottery. Everybody understands the lottery is a voluntary tax; most see it as a regressive tax on the poor. The ideal situation for the government is for everybody to play and nobody to ever win. Obviously, if that happened, people wouldn’t play the lottery, but this is the way the government would make the most money.

    Again, this is not moralizing about being AP. You keep on wanting to bring it back to that. I get it’s legal and there is nothing wrong with being an AP.

    I’m still struggling with your answer on how an AP winning money is benefiting anybody but himself. If you’re right, then a lot of economist are wrong. Most have correctly pointed out that casinos are a “zero sum” game...meaning both sides can’t win at the same time. There will always be a winner and loser. If I win (playing with my brain), then they (meaning casinos and governments) lose. It’s that simple.

    Please clarify your position. And I do thank you for trying.
    If the losses of all players were distributed evenly (every player at the casino loses - I shall call this scenario A) then the aggregate tips under scenario A for the hospitality staff would be lower than the case where there are a few winners (APs) and the rest are losers (designated as scenario B). So the hospitality staff at the casino and along the periphery (hotels etc.) will be tipped a greater amount in aggregate because of the presence of APs (scenario B occurs). So the presence of APs creates a situation where hospitality staff are better able to provide for their families.

  8. #168
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    You lead a sad existence kj! I will say a pray for you.
    I lead a sad existence? I am self employed. Answer to no one. Earn a comfortable living playing a game and using my brain to gain an advantage. I work when I want and take as much time off as I want.

    You on the other hand spend 24/7 on this forum demonstrating just how bitter and jealous you are of me and other successful AP's that are doing what you only wish you had the balls to do. You are reduced to just hating. Say that prayer for yourself, you miserable, bitter, small person
    Self employed? If you want to get technical your employer is the casinos. That’s who pays you, and keeps you in your “comfortable living”. How many businesses can claim to do all that? Provide entertainment, jobs and revenue for state and local governments, while supporting people like you. That’s quite a tall order for any business to take on.

    As far as being on this forum 24/7, I really wish you’d say I was on the “Moses channels” 24/7. I don’t use most of the other channels on this site, but the good news is this forum has something for everybody...and believes in free speech. As with most people, I find the “Moses channels” most interesting. It seems like you are on these channels too. I also go to the satellite forum, zenzone, to here from Moses himself. I’m sure you spend a lot of time there too.

    Yeah, lately things have been slow at work so it gives me time to catch up on forum stuff. It makes a slow day go faster.

    And like you said, you’re good for a laugh or two and entertainment. But I can’t see your life amounting to much more than that.
    Hi Bob, safe to say you know this Moses fella(?) a lot better than I do....without knowing him, my impressions are of someone that loiters in fleabag casinos every night, gets blasted on either Thunderbird or Night Train, and then wakes up in a fog in a McDonald’s parking lot soaked in his own piss and vomit, with numerous welts on his head from getting the crap knocked out of him .....I’m usually like 93% on character evaluation so just wondering if this is accurate...Thanks in advance for any light you can shed

  9. #169
    Originally Posted by UCFX View Post
    It's how Doyle Hargrove got hisself womped in the head with a Kaiser blade. Some folks call it a Kaiser blade - I call it a lawnmower blade.
    Originally Posted by UCFX View Post
    I sure wish I could talk like that Bob21 feller. He's got far much too smarts than me. Aaight den. That's 4 post for me. I don't want Mr redietz and that old feller on his roof in Wisconsin coming to whip the tar out a me for exceeding my post limit. Isle c ya, tomorrow. Hmmm Mmmm I reckon a might post a video of Doyle if anyone cares or I might get a hankerin to do it anyways. Vaughn and Doyle are KJ rolled into one. Hmmha

    Gotta lug 2 sacks a clothes down to the laundromat and getting low on potted meat. Keystone, did you know there is rat peckers dat meat? Look, there's one right dar. Mmmm Gooood. That's funny HA HA. Not funny queer. hmmha

    Aaight den, y'all have a good day.
    This Moses/UCFX/Tater person with multiple personalities has now slipped into some characters from the 20 year old movie, Slingblade. It must be pretty damn crowded up there in his mind. This demonstrates just how far out of touch from reality this crazy bastard is.

  10. #170
    I reckon KJ is going to go on another rant. Hmmha



  11. #171
    I pay people to help with my AP'ing. Over the years, it varies in amount and frequency. Regardless, paying someone $500 in a week directly puts money into someone's pocket who needs it. I travel a decent amount (not a ton) and obviously spend on airfare, car rentals, food, hotel, etc. I'm able to be self sufficient and that means one extra position is open at some business for someone to work.

    Many APs invest their money and may start a business, buy houses to rent out, or even invest in newer APs so they can get a good jump start. I own a few houses and have tenants. One of my AP friends is planning on starting some business in cinematography. Another (whom I don't know too well) has been buying, fixing, and reselling houses. One AP whom I don't "know" but have met a few times -- he started a team and is bankrolling the whole thing. He pays the players an hourly and he books the EV+variance....something they wouldn't have been able to do on their.

    When friends or family come to town, I get them hotel rooms & food comped. If they want to gamble, I recommend good places to go and ways to lose less money or perhaps even make money if they can play it with an advantage.


    Ultimately, I pay more in taxes than what I get out of the govt. That alone should be enough to for you to see that I give value to society.
    #FreeTyde

  12. #172
    Originally Posted by Keystone View Post
    Hi Bob, safe to say you know this Moses fella(?) a lot better than I do....without knowing him, my impressions are of someone that loiters in fleabag casinos every night, gets blasted on either Thunderbird or Night Train, and then wakes up in a fog in a McDonald’s parking lot soaked in his own piss and vomit, with numerous welts on his head from getting the crap knocked out of him .....I’m usually like 93% on character evaluation so just wondering if this is accurate...Thanks in advance for any light you can shed
    I reckon if I said there was only one way to find out. KJ would just run to Dan again. hmmha So I ain't gonna say dat. Like you said, Mr. Keystone, it don't make no mind to me what strangers think. Perdy good advice, I reckon. Mmmm Hmmm
    Last edited by UCFX; 04-16-2019 at 09:53 AM.

  13. #173
    Originally Posted by UCFX View Post
    Originally Posted by Keystone View Post
    Hi Bob, safe to say you know this Moses fella(?) a lot better than I do....without knowing him, my impressions are of someone that loiters in fleabag casinos every night, gets blasted on either Thunderbird or Night Train, and then wakes up in a fog in a McDonald’s parking lot soaked in his own piss and vomit, with numerous welts on his head from getting the crap knocked out of him .....I’m usually like 93% on character evaluation so just wondering if this is accurate...Thanks in advance for any light you can shed
    I reckon if I said there was only one way to find out. KJ would just run to Dan again. hmmha So I ain't gonna say dat. Like you said, Mr. Keystone, it don't make no mind to me what strangers think. Good advice, I reckon. Mmmm Hmmm
    I was talking to Bob, Slingblade...but since you’re here I will tell you that you missed out on a tremendous amount of money being on an ad as the poster child of why abortion should be legal

  14. #174
    Originally Posted by Keystone View Post
    I was talking to Bob, Slingblade...but since you’re here I will tell you that you missed out on a tremendous amount of money being on an ad as the poster child of why abortion should be legal
    Mr Keystone. Sorry to interrupt. My name is Karl. I don't reckon I care about money so much as KJ. He thinks it makes him better than others. Especially, others on this here forum. Even his friends. Hmmm Mmmm I reckon you probably do to. Hmmha

  15. #175
    Bob21, it does not matter who is getting a piece of the pie, or what percentages it comes out to, the government always gets its share! Shareholders of casinos pay their taxes and so do advantage players who are successfull. Shareholders, of corporations live all over the world and when they are cashing their dividend checks you think they are worried about the people living in the area where the companies are located? Roughly 70 to 75% of casino profits leave the local economies for good, never to return again. Why do you think that casinos are so righteous?

  16. #176
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    As far as my point, it’s nothing deep. I think it’s a reaction to being on Blackjack Apprenticeship too long. All the newbie young bj pros talk like Kj. They all think they are hotshots working for themselves and taking on the big bad casinos. After a while, this kind of talk drives you crazy. That’s why Zee got kicked off BJA. He confronted this idealistic lifestyle the bj pros claim to live.

    They want you to believe they can work a month a year a couple hours a day and have a comfortoable lifestyle. The reality is the life Joe is leading who talked about it on GWAE. He lives on the road in bug invested hotels with no real relationships. Okay, I get it, some APs can make a living without traveling much in casino dense areas like Vegas and Reno.

    Kj wants us to believe he’s got this great lifestyle and he’s this great AP. I’m just challenging that. And from what I can tell, many others have too.
    My apologies to Mr. Redeitz and Money Plenty for goin past that there limit you think is best. Hmmha Well Bob, I don't reckon that folks who work hard for a living and volunteer their time for the sake of others less fortunate - that Mr. Keystone likes to make sport of - care to hear how much a feller makes playin a game. Mmmm Hmmm At least not everyday the way KJ carries on about it. Probably even the ones on the gambling forums tend to give out over time. Hmmha

    Lotsa folks pumping up their heels to look bigger than they are I reckon.

  17. #177
    Originally Posted by RS__ View Post
    I pay people to help with my AP'ing. Over the years, it varies in amount and frequency. Regardless, paying someone $500 in a week directly puts money into someone's pocket who needs it. I travel a decent amount (not a ton) and obviously spend on airfare, car rentals, food, hotel, etc. I'm able to be self sufficient and that means one extra position is open at some business for someone to work.

    Many APs invest their money and may start a business, buy houses to rent out, or even invest in newer APs so they can get a good jump start. I own a few houses and have tenants. One of my AP friends is planning on starting some business in cinematography. Another (whom I don't know too well) has been buying, fixing, and reselling houses. One AP whom I don't "know" but have met a few times -- he started a team and is bankrolling the whole thing. He pays the players an hourly and he books the EV+variance....something they wouldn't have been able to do on their.

    When friends or family come to town, I get them hotel rooms & food comped. If they want to gamble, I recommend good places to go and ways to lose less money or perhaps even make money if they can play it with an advantage.


    Ultimately, I pay more in taxes than what I get out of the govt. That alone should be enough to for you to see that I give value to society.
    Well said RS_. Unfortunately it will never be accepted by Bob21 and the "contribute nothing to society crowd".

    The fact is that in this day and age, our economy is a consumer fueled economy. Spending fuels this economy and as such anyone spending is contributing to the economy. Not everybody "makes" something. There are many, many "middlemen" and I accept that is the role of AP's... a middleman. We take money from the casinos and redistribute it throughout the economy, which helps keep various people employed. I don't know why this is so hard to understand. I guess because certain people refuse to understand (or accept) it.

    Simplist and biggest example from my own personal experience is that I sold a house and bough a condo in the last year. That is a lot of commission to a couple realtors, that allowed them to turn around and buy groceries, gas, pay rent/mortgage. That is the biggest and easiest example, but the fact is that every time I spend a dollar, at the grocery store, CVS, the gas station, I am contributing to the employment need and salaries of many, many people throughout the chain of producing and distributing each and every one of those products. Anyone who argues differently doesn't understand how the economy works and is just one of these people that wants to sit in judgement of others.

  18. #178
    Originally Posted by UCFX View Post
    I reckon if I said there was only one way to find out. KJ would just run to Dan again. hmmha So I ain't gonna say dat. Like you said, Mr. Keystone, it don't make no mind to me what strangers think. Perdy good advice, I reckon. Mmmm Hmmm
    Originally Posted by UCFX View Post
    Mr Keystone. Sorry to interrupt. My name is Karl. I don't reckon I care about money so much as KJ. He thinks it makes him better than others. Especially, others on this here forum. Even his friends. Hmmm Mmmm I reckon you probably do to. Hmmha
    You are a very, very sick person, slipping in and out of characters and personalities. I am really done with you if for no other reason that I am uncomfortable contributing to or encouraging your mental illness issues. Please, and I mean this in all sincerity get some help or it you are already under treatment which I suspect may be the case, resume taking your medications.

  19. #179
    So that takes me to post #155. Even though gay, we have a very sensitive caring person. But no one wants to watch or hear about that everyday though.

    Now in post #170 we have humor with Doyle throwing a rant. Why? Because a bunch of folks don't agree with him. Trolls, I believe is the word KJ uses.

    But when you mix Doyle and Vaughn you get KJ...everyday who is neither funny nor sensitive.

    The irony is, Doyle is trying to throw them out of his house. But notice at the end? It's not his house. So Doyle won't even stand up to the young boy when confronted.

    KJ, this forum is NOT YOUR HOUSE. You are no better than anyone else on this forum. Even though you want everyone gone who doesn't agree with you. But if someone calls you out? You back down and wimper just like Doyle. Stop the tough guy act because you ain't going to do shit. Except rant like a drama queen as your friend Boz puts it.
    Last edited by UCFX; 04-16-2019 at 10:41 AM.

  20. #180
    Originally Posted by UCFX View Post
    So that takes me to post #155. Even though gay, we have a very sensitive caring person. But no one wants to watch or hear about that everyday.

    Now in post #170 we have humor with Doyle throwing a rant. Why? Because a bunch of folks don't agree with him. Trolls, I believe is the word KJ uses.

    The irony is, Doyle is trying to throw them out of his house. But notice at the end? It's not his house. So Doyle won't even stand up to the young boy when confronted.

    KJ, this forum is NOT YOUR HOUSE. You are no better than anyone else on this forum. Even though you want everyone gone who doesn't agree with you. But if someone calls you out? You back down and wimper just like Doyle. Stop the tough guy act because you ain't going to do shit. Except rant like a drama queen as your friend Boz puts it.
    Dude, Everything you say and do is based on some sort of alternative reality or alternative point in time. From your going in and out of different alternative personalities, including a female, to going into characters of all sorts of different movies. Posting lyrics from songs. To the many, many stories that you as Moses tell of your days in high school and college playing sports. You are living in the past and in other (alternative realities).

    I am quite sure the fact that your "glory years" occurred 40, 50 years ago, strongly contributes to why you are so bitter about your current situation that you lash out at others. It is always a variation of the same story with the trolls and anti-AP guys on this site. Bitter old dudes with overwhelming regret!
    Last edited by kewlJ; 04-16-2019 at 10:49 AM.

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