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  1. #21
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    If anyone actually reads Moses posts when he speaks about blackjack, they would realize what he was saying between the lines.....

    ….Of course all of that is my guess, personally I think he gets more action in the sports book.
    Ok BoSox, this post was bizarre to me. I decided not to quote the whole thing as you can see. BUt you went into a lot about how Moses plays and what levels and why and stuff. I was about to respond "how the F would you know all that" when I got to the line "of course all that is my guess". So you get away with that I guess. Snuck out the back door. But, I am going to say that is one hell of a lot of speculating on your part.

    Now back to the variance thing. For a card counter variance, and I am talking about big swings and extended swings that are going to occur when you hit a period where you win or lose an abnormally high number of your max or larger wagers. That is when you are going to have your bigger swings in both directions. So a guy playing single deck and spreading maybe 1-4 is not going to have anywhere near the same swings or variance as a guy playing multideck shoe games spreading 1-16, or 1-24 spread.

    So even if we were playing the same betting level, which I am certain we are not, Moses comparing his variance to mine is lunacy.

    So like I said, I am rather certain, we are not talking anywhere near the same betting levels either, so let's look at that. Say a guy is playing red chip level, with that 1-4 spread we just mentioned for single deck. So you are talking max bet of $20. This would be right in line with Reno tolerance levels. So this guy comparing his losing days of $300, $400. Ahhhh that's 20 max bets, right?

    Now lets look at 20 max bets of my play, max bet anywhere from $400 to $800, but let's go with $500 as an average. I lose 20 max bets, I have a 10k loss day. I experience 2 of those days like I did the week in question that Moses is making a big deal about (very rare BTW) and you can see where a 29k losing week comes from (and hopefully doesn't come again for a long time).

    It is just a case of a guy playing low limit comparing his results to a player playing much limits. His $400 daily loss is very equivalent to my $10,000 daily loss. Just so happens the week in question, I experienced 2 of those 10k losses. (and that is the only time that has ever happened)

    But really, it wasn't about my results or his results anyway. That was just the thing used to attack me. What it really did as far as I am concerned is prove he doesn't understand the basic mathematics of this game. Something I suspected for a long time, but had no interest is calling out until he challenged the variance which while unusual, is quite easily within the math.

    Ok, I am completely done with Moses Now. Next time I mention Moses I will be talking about the bible and That is not really my thing....I don't talk about that much.

  2. #22
    KewlJ wrote:

    "Now back to the variance thing. For a card counter variance, and I am talking about big swings and extended swings that are going to occur when you hit a period where you win or lose an abnormally high number of your max or larger wagers. That is when you are going to have your bigger swings in both directions. So a guy playing single deck and spreading maybe 1-4 is not going to have anywhere near the same swings or variance as a guy playing multideck shoe games spreading 1-16, or 1-24 spread."

    KJ, you are helping me make my case, that Moses does not experience large variance swings! All along I have been saying that trying to compare single deck, and shoe games is like trying to compare night and day.

    "So even if we were playing the same betting level, which I am certain we are not, Moses comparing his variance to mine is lunacy. "

    Moses is making that arguement, NOT ME.


    "So like I said, I am rather certain, we are not talking anywhere near the same betting levels either, so let's look at that. Say a guy is playing red chip level, with that 1-4 spread we just mentioned for single deck. So you are talking max bet of $20. This would be right in line with Reno tolerance levels. So this guy comparing his losing days of $300, $400. Ahhhh that's 20 max bets, right?

    Now lets look at 20 max bets of my play, max bet anywhere from $400 to $800, but let's go with $500 as an average. I lose 20 max bets, I have a 10k loss day. I experience 2 of those days like I did the week in question that Moses is making a big deal about (very rare BTW) and you can see where a 29k losing week comes from (and hopefully doesn't come again for a long time).

    It is just a case of a guy playing low limit comparing his results to a player playing much limits. His $400 daily loss is very equivalent to my $10,000 daily loss. Just so happens the week in question, I experienced 2 of those 10k losses. (and that is the only time that has ever happened)

    But really, it wasn't about my results or his results anyway."

    Why are you trying to explain about the large swings involved in higher stakes play, in shoe games, that I have also been doing for many years part time?
    Last edited by BoSox; 02-22-2019 at 05:15 PM.

  3. #23
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Dan, I’m a little confused as to why you’d even consider banning me.
    I didn't want to waste all that room with your crybaby post. What are you a 10 year old? Pick up your skirt and take a fucking walk.

  4. #24
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    Why are you trying to explain about the large swings involved in higher stakes play, in shoe games, that I have also been doing for many years part time?
    I know that YOU understand the swings BoSox. But yet you didn't speak up.

    This 29k losing week occurred back in October. And at the time, I had all these non-Blackjack, non-AP guys jumping all over me. "Why would you lose 29k in a week?" "why not stop after $5". I tried to explain that while it was my worst week in 15 years (740 weeks at the time), that it wasn't that abnormal. Within bounds of normal, according to the math. That went on for 3 months until Alan left the site last month.

    And Moses who was here at the time said nothing. Late last month I finally reached a new ATH, completely "recovering" from that and now have gone on 15 grand above it. And then Moses decides to start screaming about how abnormal that downturn was. Making post after post about how no real professional player would lose $29k in a week. Saying things like "he lost $400 on such and such a day, all he needs to do is lose 28,600 more to be a blackjack pro".

    And you who understands the math, the variance and as you say have been going through it for many years....says nothing. Instead you post some sort of quazi-defense of Moses statements that makes no sense to me.

    The fact is this site had no real blackjack players. For the longest time it was just me. Most of the AP's are machine guys that, don't really play blackjack. There are a few like jbjb, MaxPen, RS_ that used to do card counting but they have moved on to bigger and better things. So while I appreciate them chiming in now and again, trying to tell Moses he was wrong and didn't know what he was talking about (as if he would listen), Now that we have a couple blackjack players that know card counting like yourself, Bob21, MWP, I would expect a little more help when someone is saying something so dumb as that, completely contrary to the math involved.

  5. #25
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Dan, I’m a little confused as to why you’d even consider banning me.
    I didn't want to waste all that room with your crybaby post. What are you a 10 year old? Pick up your skirt and take a fucking walk.
    Sorry Kj, I am with blackhole on this one all the way.

  6. #26
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    Why are you trying to explain about the large swings involved in higher stakes play, in shoe games, that I have also been doing for many years part time?
    I know that YOU understand the swings BoSox. But yet you didn't speak up.

    This 29k losing week occurred back in October. And at the time, I had all these non-Blackjack, non-AP guys jumping all over me. "Why would you lose 29k in a week?" "why not stop after $5". I tried to explain that while it was my worst week in 15 years (740 weeks at the time), that it wasn't that abnormal. Within bounds of normal, according to the math. That went on for 3 months until Alan left the site last month.

    And Moses who was here at the time said nothing. Late last month I finally reached a new ATH, completely "recovering" from that and now have gone on 15 grand above it. And then Moses decides to start screaming about how abnormal that downturn was. Making post after post about how no real professional player would lose $29k in a week. Saying things like "he lost $400 on such and such a day, all he needs to do is lose 28,600 more to be a blackjack pro".

    And you who understands the math, the variance and as you say have been going through it for many years....says nothing. Instead you post some sort of quazi-defense of Moses statements that makes no sense to me.

    The fact is this site had no real blackjack players. For the longest time it was just me. Most of the AP's are machine guys that, don't really play blackjack. There are a few like jbjb, MaxPen, RS_ that used to do card counting but they have moved on to bigger and better things. So while I appreciate them chiming in now and again, trying to tell Moses he was wrong and didn't know what he was talking about (as if he would listen), Now that we have a couple blackjack players that know card counting like yourself, Bob21, MWP, I would expect a little more help when someone is saying something so dumb as that, completely contrary to the math involved.

    What you were talking about pertaining to what happened to yourself is easily explainable for someone that knows. I was arguing the point that Moses was far much closer to telling the truth pertaining to his own situation versus what Three was doing, and saying regarding taming varaince. When Moses was talking about your 29K week loss, it had little to do with the validity of the statement, but more about you "which he thought" were crying about it, and just wanted you to shut up.

    KJ, I do not know what took place here three months ago.
    Last edited by BoSox; 02-22-2019 at 07:21 PM.

  7. #27
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Dan, I’m a little confused as to why you’d even consider banning me.
    I didn't want to waste all that room with your crybaby post. What are you a 10 year old? Pick up your skirt and take a fucking walk.
    Sorry Kj, I am with blackhole on this one all the way.
    Hey blackhole, I’m glad to see you're back to your ‘ol trolling ways. I see you picked up a fan along the way. Bosox is a follower. He had some people who he idolized over at BJTF too. You might want to start a trolling fan club, and make Bosox your first member. Lol.

    Btw, I missed you when you stopped trolling me for a while. Hope you don’t go so long in between troll posts in the future. I checked my first post, and you were my first troll. It’s good to see we haven’t lost touch.

  8. #28
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    I have no idea what happens next, but as I was leaving she did recommend that I stop participating on these forums. I found this to be rather stupid.
    Maybe the Cop has a point.
    First you post on a forum and get robbed because you posted on a forum.
    Next, you are running to the Cops multiple times crying that Moses is going to beat you up.
    What do you do? You tell the Cops they are stupid with this suggestion because your work requires posting on a Forum.
    A forum that helps you get robbed and threatened physically and so scared you run to the police!?
    If you want to continue to post on Forums after all this trouble maybe you shouldn't cry about it.
    I imagine if you never posted on a Forum you would not of been robbed nor would you have to file police reports.
    Obviously you enjoy it because you post up threads that say other members are problems.
    The Problem with Singer, The Problem with Blackhole, The Dan Druff Problem, The problem that everyone calls me gay... etc etc.
    When they get upset and run to the cops you tell them to STFU and that you aren't the least bit scared.
    At least LarryS gave it up after he got scared.
    Pussies.

    You and Singer and the rest of you aren't going to court over this bullshit.
    I am currently involved in a court case and it is a nightmare.
    Not only the logistic side of it but the constant continuances and billable hours.
    350 dollars an hour just to talk on the phone and they charge for every fucking minute on the phone, in person, reading emails and re-reading emails not to mention many other fees.
    1300 dollars just to type up a few papers and ask 4 questions from another lawyer that the court appoints to handle a sub section that you have no choice over.
    The case hasn't even gone into litigation yet and if it does the cost skyrockets.
    Not one day in actual court yet and 7000 dollars has been billed out of a 10000 dollar retainer.
    I can at least plan on spending 20k if negotiations go well and litigation is not necessary which I highly doubt.
    I am almost certain this case is going to go to litigation.
    No reasonable person is going to pay all these fees because they got their feelings hurt over some forum posting.
    Last edited by monet; 02-22-2019 at 09:24 PM.

  9. #29
    Good riddance. Dude was going off the deep end over silly forum stuff. Some people can't handle alcohol and some can't handle forums, I guess. I'm glad to see that VegasCasinoTalk will not become the MosesTalk&Threat Forum.
    I can only imagine the ranting and talking to oneself that is going on in his other hangout. Anyone got a link to that nuthouse? Could be interesting to make a drive by. On second thoughtWho cares?

  10. #30
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Good riddance. Dude was going off the deep end over silly forum stuff. Some people can't handle alcohol and some can't handle forums, I guess. I'm glad to see that VegasCasinoTalk will not become the MosesTalk&Threat Forum.
    I can only imagine the ranting and talking to oneself that is going on in his other hangout. Anyone got a link to that nuthouse? Could be interesting to make a drive by. On second thoughtWho cares?
    Who gives a shit?
    It is the kewlJ harassing the Singer forum posting up all sorts of personal information and liable.
    Or Vice Versa... your choice.
    Not to mention other Bullshit topics.
    You really think it matters if Moses is gone or not?
    Who the Fuck was actually reading his posts?
    I stopped after about post 4 or 5 since he joined.
    His posts were always disjointed making no sense due to his own personal inside jokes.
    Not to mention he never really talked about gambling which is what this forum is mostly for.
    The posts he made about black jack were too long and cryptic and did not show the average person what to do to make a few dollars here and there.

    The first 6 threads in the Vegas Forum have nothing to do with Vegas.
    They are all titled: The Problem with _______.
    You guys are actually reading that garbage and crying about it.
    I look at those titles and just close the web page down.

    The other thread is a Sportsbetting thread that doesn't belong in this forum.
    We have a Forum for Sportsbetting that is titled Sportsbetting for Fucks Sake.

    FYI.
    Singer Banned and Reinstated.
    Keystone Banned and Reinstated.
    How many others... all of them?
    Has anyone not been Reinstated that has been banned on this site?
    Singer had stipulations that he never honored since day one of his reinstatement.
    Now you are all whining over this Moses bullshit.
    Whatever.
    Last edited by monet; 02-22-2019 at 09:28 PM.

  11. #31
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    I have no idea what happens next, but as I was leaving she did recommend that I stop participating on these forums. I found this to be rather stupid.
    What do you do? You tell the Cops they are stupid with this suggestion because your work requires posting on a Forum.
    Did I say I told the cops they are stupid or did I say "I found it to be rather stupid"?

    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    A forum that helps you get robbed and threatened physically and so scared you run to the police!?
    If you want to continue to post on Forums after all this trouble maybe you shouldn't cry about it.
    Filing a complaint, when threatened is about protecting yourself from any liability in the event you should have to protect yourself. Perhaps the authorities can solve the situation before it comes to that, but if they can't and don't and you need to do whatever to protect yourself, you have reduced any liability.

  12. #32
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Filing a complaint, when threatened is about protecting yourself from any liability in the event you should have to protect yourself. Perhaps the authorities can solve the situation before it comes to that, but if they can't and don't and you need to do whatever to protect yourself, you have reduced any liability.
    Not that this is necessarily the outcome you would want, but if something did happen, then that could potentially be a starting point in justice being served. Then again, LV cops are pretty terrible, so who the hell knows.
    #FreeTyde

  13. #33
    I somebody is harassing you on a forum like this and you think employing a lawyer or getting the police involved is a really good idea: then you are really lacking in common sense

    if somebody responds to you in a very negative way why don't you just ignore that person?

    why would anybody feel that any kind of slight or disrespect shown on a forum such as this needs to be immediately addressed?

    why don't you realize that like most similar forums this forum is a nothing nowhere thing that almost nobody gives a shit about




    in summation I would like to say: GET A LIFE
    please don't feed the trolls

  14. #34
    I'm not a Bible thumper but I do like this one:


    New Living Translation:


    Don't Answer the Foolish Argument of Fools or You Will Become as Foolish as They Are
    please don't feed the trolls

  15. #35
    [QUOTE=BoSox;83884]
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    KJ, I do not know what took place here three months ago.
    It goes back further than that. I think it was early last year when KJ reported having "an 8K losing day on one of the best EV days ever." The dunces went completely nuts on that. "How the hell can you call an 8K loss one of your best days ever?" sort of thing. Mendelson went on and on about how can you ever make that kind of money up, don't you use stop win/stop loss, how can you call it a best day ever? All that BS nonsense. KJ was piled on by all the dunces over it. It went for months.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  16. #36
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    It goes back further than that. I think it was early last year when KJ reported having "an 8K losing day on one of the best EV days ever." The dunces went completely nuts on that. "How the hell can you call an 8K loss one of your best days ever?" sort of thing. Mendelson went on and on about how can you ever make that kind of money up, don't you use stop win/stop loss, how can you call it a best day ever? All that BS nonsense. KJ was piled on by all the dunces over it. It went for months.
    So what?
    Everyone has been on Mendelson for years about the 18 yos in a row.
    Mendelson posts up his 8/5 BP Free Play Videos and we all pile on him for making an average of 3 mistakes per 40 hands.
    We all rag on each other all the time.

    kewlJ started the whole Mendlebread thing!
    kewlJ constantly bashes on members about being old, hateful, jealous, Cousin Eddie whatever types all the time.
    Most of it is retaliation but nobody really cares.
    kewlJ constantly starts threads like: Dan Druff Shit or Get Off the Pot.
    You think these are good threads or titles of threads?
    Next he posts up in the Vegas Forum questions like: What are the Rules of this Forum?
    How many years have you been on this forum and you don't get the idea of what the rules are?
    How many times has kewlJ said he is leaving this Forum yet to come back??
    Now he is running to the police over some phony threats from Moses?
    If he would actually do what he said and left the Forum he would not be involved in this nonsense.
    He obviously likes it because he keeps posting up threads to piss on people or piss people off.

    kewlJ has constantly ragged on the Wiz and Qfit relentlessly.
    It is obvious that the rules are different for kewlJ when he doesn't like what is posted.
    How about we all just make some Mendlebread and let bygones be bygones.
    Or not. Whatever and Who Cares?

    Didn't kewlJ fake his own death?
    Where are the internet cops for that?
    Can you legally fake your own death on an internet forum?
    Someone should tell the police about that bullshit.

    What about Spiderman?
    Didn't kewlJ post up on Qfits website under the guise of Spiderman?
    Is that deceitful or lying?
    Once Qfit found out who Spiderman was didn't he banish him?
    Where are the internet police for that?

    Now lets all sit down and have our Two Minutes of Hate.
    "The system is not perfect. Sometimes there are errors."

    Last edited by monet; 02-23-2019 at 08:05 AM.

  17. #37
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    It goes back further than that. I think it was early last year when KJ reported having "an 8K losing day on one of the best EV days ever." The dunces went completely nuts on that. "How the hell can you call an 8K loss one of your best days ever?" sort of thing. Mendelson went on and on about how can you ever make that kind of money up, don't you use stop win/stop loss, how can you call it a best day ever? All that BS nonsense. KJ was piled on by all the dunces over it. It went for months.
    So what?
    Everyone has been on Mendelson for years about the 18 yos in a row.
    Mendelson posts up his 8/5 BP Free Play Videos and we all pile on him for making an average of 3 mistakes per 40 hands.
    We all rag on each other all the time.

    kewlJ started the whole Mendlebread thing!
    kewlJ constantly bashes on members about being old, hateful, jealous, Cousin Eddie whatever types all the time.
    Most of it is retaliation but nobody really cares.
    kewlJ constantly starts threads like: Dan Druff Shit or Get Off the Pot.
    You think these are good threads or titles of threads?
    Next he posts up in the Vegas Forum questions like: What are the Rules of this Forum?
    How many years have you been on this forum and you don't get the idea of what the rules are?
    How many times has kewlJ said he is leaving this Forum yet to come back??
    Now he is running to the police over some phony threats from Moses?
    If he would actually do what he said and left the Forum he would not be involved in this nonsense.
    He obviously likes it because he keeps posting up threads to piss on people or piss people off.

    kewlJ has constantly ragged on the Wiz and Qfit relentlessly.
    It is obvious that the rules are different for kewlJ when he doesn't like what is posted.
    How about we all just make some Mendlebread and let bygones be bygones.
    Or not. Whatever and Who Cares?

    Didn't kewlJ fake his own death?
    Where are the internet cops for that?
    Can you legally fake your own death on an internet forum?
    Someone should tell the police about that bullshit.

    What about Spiderman?
    Didn't kewlJ post up on Qfits website under the guise of Spiderman?
    Is that deceitful or lying?
    Once Qfit found out who Spiderman was didn't he banish him?
    Where are the internet police for that?

    Now lets all sit down and have our Two Minutes of Hate.
    "The system is not perfect. Sometimes there are errors."

    Great post monet! One of the best I’ve seen on this forum, or any forum for that matter. And to just think Dan almost banned me because I laughed at Moses’s jokes. You can say what you want to about Moses, but he does have a good - and creative - sence of humor.

    Bottom line is people take this stuff much much much too seriously.

    I agree with you...if you don’t like what someone is saying, just ignore them. Why is that so hard?

  18. #38
    Monet wrote:

    "We all rag on each other all the time."

    "kewlJ constantly bashes on members about being old, hateful, jealous, Cousin Eddie whatever types all the time.
    Most of it is retaliation but nobody really cares."

    Most of it was retaliating, why am I not surprised? Was he supposed to keep his mouth shut?


    "kewlJ constantly starts threads like: Dan Druff Shit or Get Off the Pot.
    You think these are good threads or titles of threads?
    Next he posts up in the Vegas Forum questions like: What are the Rules of this Forum?
    How many years have you been on this forum and you don't get the idea of what the rules are?
    How many times has kewlJ said he is leaving this Forum yet to come back??
    Now he is running to the police over some phony threats from Moses?"

    Who the hell are you to say what is phony and what is real? All across the country, people are filing restraining orders all the time, many are ignored and end up fatal. Moses, is the only one who knows what his plans are. Pertaining To KJ starting threads directed at Dan Druff and further asking him questions, why the fuck do you care? Nothing is being directed at you personally, and no-one else for that matter. Everyone not involved should shut their face as they are not in that situation. How does anyone act when they are in a situation, do you know? I do not think anyone takes it lightly.
    Last edited by BoSox; 02-23-2019 at 11:29 AM.

  19. #39
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    Monet wrote:

    "We all rag on each other all the time."

    "kewlJ constantly bashes on members about being old, hateful, jealous, Cousin Eddie whatever types all the time.
    Most of it is retaliation but nobody really cares."

    Most of it was retaliating, why am I not surprised? Was he supposed to keep his mouth shut?


    "kewlJ constantly starts threads like: Dan Druff Shit or Get Off the Pot.
    You think these are good threads or titles of threads?
    Next he posts up in the Vegas Forum questions like: What are the Rules of this Forum?
    How many years have you been on this forum and you don't get the idea of what the rules are?
    How many times has kewlJ said he is leaving this Forum yet to come back??
    Now he is running to the police over some phony threats from Moses?"

    Who the hell are you to say what is phony and what is real? All across the country, people are filing restraining orders all the time, many are ignored and end up fatal. Moses, is the only one who knows what his plans are. Pertaining To KJ starting threads directed at Dan Druff and further asking him questions, why the fuck do you care? Nothing is being directed at you personally, and no-one else for that matter. Everyone not involved should shut their face as they are not in that situation. How does anyone act when they are in a situation, do you know? I do not think anyone takes it lightly.
    FUCK YOU!

    You and your fag friend poke the bear and after the bear wakes up you run to the thought police.

  20. #40
    Monet is right. I have said and done some things in the heat of the moment, born out of frustration (and god knows there are/were people on this forum trying to frustrate everyone). But, my transgressions are short lived. I cool off, calm down and usually within a few hours apologize, like a mature person.

    Compare that to someone making physical threats against someone on an ongoing basis. For the most part I think the guys (I guess and gals, since we don't know) that threaten to come find you and kick your ass a loudmouth bully/coward types. But on the other hand you do see stories that ended with someone getting killed that started as a confrontation on the internet. And as anyone who lives in the world today will attest, there seems to be more and more 'crazies' out there.

    I mean look, this is supposed to be a forum about Vegas, gambling, casinos according to the name. That is why I came here. Is that what it is or has DanDruff decided he would rather it be some sort of internet fight club? I don't think it is asking too much for him to decide that and let us know.

    If this is to be a forum about Vegas, Casinos, Gambling, then there is really no place for the negative personal attacks that we have seen. And yeah, I get my jabs in too. (although come on Monet...."Cousin Eddie" is pretty freaking funny. ) Is that on the same level as repeated attacks of someone's dead wife or spouse, or these repeated "takes it up the ass" comments? I mean I have been out for 20 years, including through high school. Really think I haven't heard everything there is to hear?

    It so happens I don't take it up the ass, but who cares? Who cares about anyone else's private life, who they share life with. Again it is supposed to be a gambling forum.

    I mean if there is some heated discussion about advantage play, counting 2 tables, stop limits, winning millions playing -EV games using techniques that go against the mathematics, discussions of a persons results/variance and a member has to resort to some sort of attack about someone's sexuality, race, nationality, or an attack against a members dead spouse (who never even participated here), then that person really has no argument do they. They are plum out of reasonable points to make in a reasonable argument.

    So yeah, with all the flip-flopping and inconsistencies in DanDruff's statements and actions, I don't think it is unreasonable to ask for a little clarity as to what this site is and what direction we are heading.

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