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  1. #1
    Interesting article about online Ocean Magic in New Jersey.

    https://www.njonlinegambling.com/adv...quhgDYjoMJ2LI4

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    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Interesting article about online Ocean Magic in New Jersey.

    https://www.njonlinegambling.com/adv...quhgDYjoMJ2LI4
    Great story and no way they should get away with screwing them out of their legal winnings.

    And of course the CoD on here as Mick loves to call them will deny this was possible.

  3. #3
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Interesting article about online Ocean Magic in New Jersey.

    https://www.njonlinegambling.com/adv...quhgDYjoMJ2LI4
    Great story and no way they should get away with screwing them out of their legal winnings.

    And of course the CoD on here as Mick loves to call them will deny this was possible.
    I trade tweets with playwithanedge on twitter. It would have been nice to have gotten in on it. 4 spins on the 3rd column bubble is super strong. Highest bet level I've played is $100.
    "Walter Cronkite could not get a job in the main stream media today." Alan Dershowitz

  4. #4
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Interesting article about online Ocean Magic in New Jersey.

    https://www.njonlinegambling.com/adv...quhgDYjoMJ2LI4
    Impressive article.
    Someone who can actually write and has a grasp of advantage/scavenger play.
    I noticed the article did not mention to bet more when you are losing a certain amount.

  5. #5
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Interesting article about online Ocean Magic in New Jersey.

    https://www.njonlinegambling.com/adv...quhgDYjoMJ2LI4
    Impressive article.
    Someone who can actually write and has a grasp of advantage/scavenger play.
    I noticed the article did not mention to bet more when you are losing a certain amount.
    Post of the Day, lol.

  6. #6
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Interesting article about online Ocean Magic in New Jersey.

    https://www.njonlinegambling.com/adv...quhgDYjoMJ2LI4
    Great story and no way they should get away with screwing them out of their legal winnings.

    And of course the CoD on here as Mick loves to call them will deny this was possible.
    I trade tweets with playwithanedge on twitter. It would have been nice to have gotten in on it. 4 spins on the 3rd column bubble is super strong. Highest bet level I've played is $100.
    You have to be physically in NJ to play on these sites but can live anywhere. Philly TV stations are full of ads for these online casinos. Many PA residents signing up for the bonuses and driving over the bridge and sitting in mall parking lots to play.

  7. #7
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post

    Great story and no way they should get away with screwing them out of their legal winnings.

    And of course the CoD on here as Mick loves to call them will deny this was possible.
    I trade tweets with playwithanedge on twitter. It would have been nice to have gotten in on it. 4 spins on the 3rd column bubble is super strong. Highest bet level I've played is $100.
    You have to be physically in NJ to play on these sites but can live anywhere. Philly TV stations are full of ads for these online casinos. Many PA residents signing up for the bonuses and driving over the bridge and sitting in mall parking lots to play.
    Far better than taking your chances with the offshore sites.
    "Walter Cronkite could not get a job in the main stream media today." Alan Dershowitz

  8. #8
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Interesting article about online Ocean Magic in New Jersey.

    https://www.njonlinegambling.com/adv...quhgDYjoMJ2LI4
    Impressive article.
    Someone who can actually write and has a grasp of advantage/scavenger play.
    I noticed the article did not mention to bet more when you are losing a certain amount.
    Post of the Day, lol.
    I second Boz.

  9. #9
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Interesting article about online Ocean Magic in New Jersey.

    https://www.njonlinegambling.com/adv...quhgDYjoMJ2LI4
    Great story and no way they should get away with screwing them out of their legal winnings.

    And of course the CoD on here as Mick loves to call them will deny this was possible.
    Another part of it the CoD won't like is you had to have the capital to exploit it. Max bet was 3K a spin. Even with a 26% edge the number of spins you could make on each site was limited to like 80 I think (I'll have to reread the article). So the risk of losing on an individual site was significant.
    "Walter Cronkite could not get a job in the main stream media today." Alan Dershowitz

  10. #10
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Interesting article about online Ocean Magic in New Jersey.

    https://www.njonlinegambling.com/adv...quhgDYjoMJ2LI4
    Great story and no way they should get away with screwing them out of their legal winnings.

    And of course the CoD on here as Mick loves to call them will deny this was possible.
    Another part of it the CoD won't like is you had to have the capital to exploit it. Max bet was 3K a spin. Even with a 26% edge the number of spins you could make on each site was limited to like 80 I think (I'll have to reread the article). So the risk of losing on an individual site was significant.
    Since the variance on Ocean Magic is unknown (without the par sheet) the Risk of Ruin calculation would have to be estimated I would guess.

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    I'm surprised that the "extra value" showed up online and was available to every player. Last year I was at Royal River Casino in Flandreau, South Dakota when they installed 4 Golden Egypt's. There were 25 bet levels and they all had "extra value" upfront. The 1st, 3rd and 5th columns all had gold coins banked. So I got 25 plays off each machine and made about $700.

    I've been told that when the game first came out the new installs had gold coins banked in all 5 columns.
    "Walter Cronkite could not get a job in the main stream media today." Alan Dershowitz

  12. #12
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    I've been told that when the game first came out the new installs had gold coins banked in all 5 columns.
    Confirmed. On the inaugural day of a non-smoking room addition to a casino, my friend was there right when they opened - the GEs had 5 coins across he told me.

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    It looks like a couple AP’s might have made some serious cash on this play. Apparently, 900K total was withdrawn from all 13 casinos from all the AP’s involved.

    Yet, how much of that 900K total withdrawal (of which only 400K has been paid so far) is actual profit?

    Max says across all casinos and mathematically speaking the play could be worth 80K to 100K after playing all the denominations That’s 80 spins per site. If their playing max spins at 3K per spin, that’s risking $240,000.00 thousand dollars per site. That’s a quarter of a million dollars per site. If the AP bricks out like he admits many did on his first attempt he moves on to the next site. If he bricks out 3 more times, he’s down a million. If he bricks out on all 13 sites, he’s down 3.2 million dollars. LOL

    Max admitted he got lucky on the first site and withdrew 220K. But he never spoke about what happened over the remaining 12 sites. He posts only 2 pictures in the article. One of the starting state and one when he’s up over 200K.

    So, all the alleged forum AP’s want to say “see, we told you so” but all the facts are not available. Max said all his friends flew in to play the different sites. So, give me the total of bet in before you declare that 900K withdrawal was all profit. Like Max, were 3 or 4 AP’s the total of winners who withdrew? Were there like 15/20/30 big time AP losers? You’re talking huge risks. Even though the math says it’s good, there’s still one factor: you still have to win. This isn’t about results over 15 years or long term. You need instant results over 80 spins and then it’s over. Unless of course you have a couple more million you want to risk, you could take another 12 shots at it.

    Let’s also remember that the site reporting this is named “New Jersey Online Gambling” a site that promotes gambling at New Jersey online casinos. I’m sure there is a reason the article only gives half the actual facts. They certainly wouldn’t want to brag how the casino was the big winner here and how only a couple of people got lucky like Max said. They want to convince everyone how easy it is to beat the casinos. LOL

    Post how many AP’s actually played and amount they risked. Then post how many actually won. My guess at these huge numbers much more was lost than won. The only reason the casinos are holding back the rest is maybe they could get away with keeping it and add even more to their coffers.

    You would think with all the experts here they would ask about the unknown facts before jumping on the stick it in your face wagon. Just more proof that alleged self-proclaimed forum AP's are just that.

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    The fact the casinos pulled the games is more likely because if Max for example could get lucky on his first attempt so could anyone else. Maybe Max gave it all back at other casinos but that doesn’t help the first one that took the loss. More than likely the amount of AP’s involved in this play made it profitable for the casinos. Yet, they certainly wouldn’t want someone like Max getting lucky on their first attempt and running with their money in the future.

    Max never mentioned any friends getting lucky on the first attempt. Also, the casinos refuse to respond. Maybe it's better for them to keep quite about what they won, and just don't want anyone getting lucky on first shot in the future.
    Last edited by blackhole; 02-28-2019 at 06:42 AM. Reason: add text

  15. #15
    Sounds like there was about 20 different denominations for the game ranging from $1-$3000. If the Ocean bubble was located in the 3rd line at the very bottom of the screen you would get 4 shots per denomination of that bubble contacting an Ocean Magic bubble making every spot surrounding it wild.
    That kind of start makes the game begin in one of the most advantageous states possible. Without knowing the payback settings and seeing the par sheets for the reel strip info you can only take an educated guess at the value. I would definitely say a 25% edge is safe to assume.
    Apparently this glitch was spread across multiple sites. So each person's action they could get down very well could have been 80k with an expected value of 20k per person. If they got 40-50 people thru before the shutdown occurred then a million total profit sounds about right.
    Apparently all casinos excluding Borgata paid so far.

  16. #16
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Sounds like there was about 20 different denominations for the game ranging from $1-$3000. If the Ocean bubble was located in the 3rd line at the very bottom of the screen you would get 4 shots per denomination of that bubble contacting an Ocean Magic bubble making every spot surrounding it wild.
    That kind of start makes the game begin in one of the most advantageous states possible. Without knowing the payback settings and seeing the par sheets for the reel strip info you can only take an educated guess at the value. I would definitely say a 25% edge is safe to assume.
    Apparently this glitch was spread across multiple sites. So each person's action they could get down very well could have been 80k with an expected value of 20k per person. If they got 40-50 people thru before the shutdown occurred then a million total profit sounds about right.
    Apparently all casinos excluding Borgata paid so far.
    That wasn’t the state of the game. The state of the game was one in row 1 and one in row 4
    Borgata is still not paying

  17. #17
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    If the Ocean bubble was located in the 3rd line at the very bottom of the screen you would get 4 shots per denomination of that bubble contacting an Ocean Magic bubble making every spot surrounding it wild.
    That kind of start makes the game begin in one of the most advantageous states possible.
    Originally Posted by Robsingerwho View Post
    That wasn’t the state of the game. The state of the game was one in row 1 and one in row 4
    Borgata is still not paying
    “I took a look at it,” Jay says, “and realized that it started, on the first spin, in an advantageous position.”
    (Specifically, he saw that a “Wild” bubble appeared in the first column, second row)

    There's a picture of this state in that article.

  18. #18
    Originally Posted by Robsingerwho View Post
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Sounds like there was about 20 different denominations for the game ranging from $1-$3000. If the Ocean bubble was located in the 3rd line at the very bottom of the screen you would get 4 shots per denomination of that bubble contacting an Ocean Magic bubble making every spot surrounding it wild.
    That kind of start makes the game begin in one of the most advantageous states possible. Without knowing the payback settings and seeing the par sheets for the reel strip info you can only take an educated guess at the value. I would definitely say a 25% edge is safe to assume.
    Apparently this glitch was spread across multiple sites. So each person's action they could get down very well could have been 80k with an expected value of 20k per person. If they got 40-50 people thru before the shutdown occurred then a million total profit sounds about right.
    Apparently all casinos excluding Borgata paid so far.
    That wasn’t the state of the game. The state of the game was one in row 1 and one in row 4
    Borgata is still not paying
    Row or column? I quit playing the lone bubble in column 1 and the lone bubble in column 2 because I failed to show a profit with them. But I did play 1 and 4 coordinated. The value of the lone bubble in column 3 is probably in the hundreds of percent.
    "Walter Cronkite could not get a job in the main stream media today." Alan Dershowitz

  19. #19
    Originally Posted by Robsingerwho View Post
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Sounds like there was about 20 different denominations for the game ranging from $1-$3000. If the Ocean bubble was located in the 3rd line at the very bottom of the screen you would get 4 shots per denomination of that bubble contacting an Ocean Magic bubble making every spot surrounding it wild.
    That kind of start makes the game begin in one of the most advantageous states possible. Without knowing the payback settings and seeing the par sheets for the reel strip info you can only take an educated guess at the value. I would definitely say a 25% edge is safe to assume.
    Apparently this glitch was spread across multiple sites. So each person's action they could get down very well could have been 80k with an expected value of 20k per person. If they got 40-50 people thru before the shutdown occurred then a million total profit sounds about right.
    Apparently all casinos excluding Borgata paid so far.
    That wasn’t the state of the game. The state of the game was one in row 1 and one in row 4
    Borgata is still not paying
    Sir, do you happen to know what columns these wilds were in ? If so, I was wondering if you would disclose this information.
    Thanks.

  20. #20
    Originally Posted by Robsingerwho View Post
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Sounds like there was about 20 different denominations for the game ranging from $1-$3000. If the Ocean bubble was located in the 3rd line at the very bottom of the screen you would get 4 shots per denomination of that bubble contacting an Ocean Magic bubble making every spot surrounding it wild.
    That kind of start makes the game begin in one of the most advantageous states possible. Without knowing the payback settings and seeing the par sheets for the reel strip info you can only take an educated guess at the value. I would definitely say a 25% edge is safe to assume.
    Apparently this glitch was spread across multiple sites. So each person's action they could get down very well could have been 80k with an expected value of 20k per person. If they got 40-50 people thru before the shutdown occurred then a million total profit sounds about right.
    Apparently all casinos excluding Borgata paid so far.
    That wasn’t the state of the game. The state of the game was one in row 1 and one in row 4
    Borgata is still not paying
    I don't think it had to be reels 1 and 4. I'm assuming it started in the same state the bonus feature starts which is 1 random bubble on any of 2 of the 5 reels.

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