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Thread: Advantage play at NJ online casinos involving Ocean Magic machine results in some casinos holding up withdrawals

  1. #41
    I was going to reach out to micky but I need people that were very close. This all happened very quickly . In fact the game was pulled down for a few hours and I thought the play was over. Somehow they put it back up with no changes. It was at that point we went even further full steam ahead.
    Eric knew about the play through his boss who I was in contact with during the play as he is somewhat of a friend of mine.

  2. #42
    Originally Posted by Advantageplay View Post
    I was going to reach out to micky but I need people that were very close. This all happened very quickly . In fact the game was pulled down for a few hours and I thought the play was over. Somehow they put it back up with no changes. It was at that point we went even further full steam ahead.
    Eric knew about the play through his boss who I was in contact with during the play as he is somewhat of a friend of mine.
    Advantage play, of the ten people that worked the play how many were net winners and how many were net losers?
    Hate crime hoaxes? The left's demand for biggots greatly exceeds the supply.

  3. #43
    When I have the article interview I didnít have final tally so not all of the numbers or amount of people were accounted for. Of all the people we had, did not have a single net negative person. Some accounts lost at some casinos but each individual as a whole. did not have a negative result.

  4. #44
    Originally Posted by Advantageplay View Post
    When I have the article interview I didn’t have final tally so not all of the numbers or amount of people were accounted for. Of all the people we had, did not have a single net negative person. Some accounts lost at some casinos but each individual as a whole. did not have a negative result.
    Thanks for the reply, Advantageplay.
    Hate crime hoaxes? The left's demand for biggots greatly exceeds the supply.

  5. #45
    Originally Posted by Advantageplay View Post
    When I have the article interview I didnít have final tally so not all of the numbers or amount of people were accounted for. Of all the people we had, did not have a single net negative person. Some accounts lost at some casinos but each individual as a whole. did not have a negative result.
    Congratulations. Now you certainly can't blame the casino companies for removing the games and for investigating and delaying the payments. If any of us ran a casino we'd do the same thing.

    There was a flaw, it was exploited, and the casinos were hammered.

    I guess a litigious casino could start all sorts of actions in an attempt to cancel or delay payments. That wouldn't surprise me either.
    It's all about quitting when ahead.

  6. #46
    Hold up payment.... sure. Itís been three week. It wasnít a glitch by any means

  7. #47
    Originally Posted by Advantageplay View Post
    Hold up payment.... sure. Itís been three week. It wasnít a glitch by any means
    I agree that three weeks is too long. But it wouldn't surprise me that all of the casinos were talking to the game maker and trying to discover what happened.

    I called it a glitch because it was like being dealt three to the royal on every hand -- that's not supposed to happen.

    You found a game with a reset pattern, and it wasn't completely random.

    I wonder if the reset pattern gives the casinos a basis for litigation? I hope not but it doesn't surprise me.
    It's all about quitting when ahead.

  8. #48
    The reset pattern was there since install in 2017. It was hard to know the true edge u til I had the math done. I just kind of sat on the play until I could get everything lined up. Igt is a large company. I offered to speak to them about it in efforts to speed up the payment process but they had no interest.

  9. #49
    Originally Posted by Advantageplay View Post
    The reset pattern was there since install in 2017. It was hard to know the true edge u til I had the math done. I just kind of sat on the play until I could get everything lined up. Igt is a large company. I offered to speak to them about it in efforts to speed up the payment process but they had no interest.
    IGT is not going to talk to you. It wouldn't surprise me if IGT is also worried about litigation from the casinos. To be sure their reputation was damaged.

    IGT might be the giant but there are other companies competing for floor space. This will hurt IGT for a long time.
    It's all about quitting when ahead.

  10. #50
    Alan, not looking to argue, but I have numerous contacts at igt and have been in contact to consult for both a table games company, 2 slot manufacturers and a few cash is previously.

  11. #51
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Originally Posted by Advantageplay View Post
    Hold up payment.... sure. It’s been three week. It wasn’t a glitch by any means
    I agree that three weeks is too long. But it wouldn't surprise me that all of the casinos were talking to the game maker and trying to discover what happened.

    I called it a glitch because it was like being dealt three to the royal on every hand -- that's not supposed to happen.

    You found a game with a reset pattern, and it wasn't completely random.

    I wonder if the reset pattern gives the casinos a basis for litigation? I hope not but it doesn't surprise me.
    I wonder if this situation could be the same as Ron Harris and the keno play.

  12. #52
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Originally Posted by Advantageplay View Post
    The reset pattern was there since install in 2017. It was hard to know the true edge u til I had the math done. I just kind of sat on the play until I could get everything lined up. Igt is a large company. I offered to speak to them about it in efforts to speed up the payment process but they had no interest.
    IGT is not going to talk to you. It wouldn't surprise me if IGT is also worried about litigation from the casinos. To be sure their reputation was damaged.

    IGT might be the giant but there are other companies competing for floor space. This will hurt IGT for a long time.

    I actually agree with Mr. Mendelson on this. I think the casinos will attempt to hold IGT liable.

    There's probably some backdoor investigations being done of everyone who is owed money to ascertain whether they have any relationships with IGT employees. They'll work on the premise that there may have been a sleeper set-up. It's not unprecedented. So the casinos will likely try to pin this on IGT one way or another, and if they find nothing substantive, they may still hold onto that as their arguing point. If they find nothing, that doesn't necessarily mean that there was nothing to find.

  13. #53
    I wonder if the hard reset on the Ocean Magic's on the websites were the same as the new installs in the casinos. The great bulk of those in the casinos have these bet levels:

    non-bubble boost.....50/1/1.50/2/2.50
    bubble boost.....1/2/3/4/5

    If you play in bubble boost mode you get a lot more bubbles/wilds but the payscale is only about a third of non-bubble boost.
    Anyways, if the hard reset is the same the casino can't get beat up that bad because of the low bet levels. IGT may have installed the game online with the same hard reset as what they put in casinos....without giving it any thought. And because of the much higher bet levels someone exploited it.
    Hate crime hoaxes? The left's demand for biggots greatly exceeds the supply.

  14. #54
    I deleted a bunch of troll posts and kicked coach, Rob, and blackhole from the thread.

    This is a good thread, don’t ruin it.
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  15. #55
    Thanks Dan. Makes things much easier to reply to

  16. #56
    Advantageplay, I would think that for the play to be profitable there must be a pretty good chance of more bubbles coming out in the four spins? Is that accurate?
    Hate crime hoaxes? The left's demand for biggots greatly exceeds the supply.

  17. #57
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Advantageplay, I would think that for the play to be profitable there must be a pretty good chance of more bubbles coming out in the four spins? Is that accurate?
    I believe it was profitable either way . However you are paying basically double the bet for the chance of bubbles coming out - vs the non bubble burst

  18. #58
    Advantageplay, In the casinos I quit playing lone 4th column bubbles because I wasn't showing a profit. Why were they profitable on this online play?
    Hate crime hoaxes? The left's demand for biggots greatly exceeds the supply.

  19. #59
    Alan Never you mind, as you said before...there is no such thing as $500 or $1000 an hour plays .

  20. #60
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Advantageplay, I would think that for the play to be profitable there must be a pretty good chance of more bubbles coming out in the four spins? Is that accurate?
    I believe that some of the line pays relative to the bet amount are better without the Boost than with it 4OaK and 5OaK, but I'll check tomorrow. I know there are some three-of-a-kinds that pay with the Boost off that do not pay if the Boost is on, at least, on the physical machine game.

    Also, extra bubbles can still come up from the bottom whether or not the Boost is on. Overall, Boost probably has a better return percentage, but not by all that much. I would certainly take a Bubble in the center reel with or without Boost, there is no question the advantage is substantial either way.

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