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Thread: Advantage play at NJ online casinos involving Ocean Magic machine results in some casinos holding up withdrawals

  1. #21
    This is exactly what he said the state was along with a picture of this state in the article.

    "Specifically, he saw that a “Wild” bubble appeared in the first column, second row"

  2. #22
    Having been in well over 100 casinos in about 20 states in the last couple of years I would say Ocean Magic is in about 80% of them. It's one of the games I expoit. The first thing we need to do is give the confederates a clinic in the game. Here's the slotlady playing the game. Yeah, I know. She's boring. But boring is good. You get to see the spins made, not just shots of big wins.



    First, take note of the yellow Ocean Magic symbols landing in the screen. Then, bubbles can come flying out and land somwhere or....Stop the video at 0:51. At the bottom of the 3rd column you will see the top of a yellow bubble. That means on the next spin it will rotate up to the 4th row and turn wild. Make another spin it will rotate up to the 3rd row and turn wild. Make another spin it will rotate up to the 2nd row and turn wild. Make another spin it will rotate up to the 1st row and turn wild. Make another spin it will rotate off the screen.

    So she makes the spin and the bubble rotates up to the 4th row. She makes another spin and it rotates up to the 3rd row. Stop the video at 1:01. Then you'll see the Ocean Magic symbol has landed on the bubble. Restart then stop the video at 1:04. When the Ocean Magic symbol lands on the bubble it turns all the symbols around it wild. So in this case you have 9 wilds. When that happens you get payed for a bunch of 4 in a rows plus you may connect for 5 in a rows.

    As you watch the video take note that the Ocean Magic symbols can appear in a column either one at a time, two at a time, three at a time or four at a time. The OM symbols appear in the 3rd column more than any other column. The 1st column is next for most OM symbols. Then the 4th and 5th columns. The OM symbols appear the least in the 2nd column. And you will never see more than one at a time in that column. They won't land two or more at a time in that column.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  3. #23
    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...4nHOATw3wuvm9e

    When the OM lands on a bubble/wild it turns all the symbols around it wild. Next, stop the video at 2:53. You'll see that a bubble/wild has landed in the 4th row of the 1st column. What if an OM had landed on it. All it can do is turn the 3 symbols around it wild. That's not that strong. Stop the video at 3:00. The OM lands on the bubble but it's not much of a pay because all it can do is turn two bubbles in the 1st column wild and 3 in the 2nd column.

    If you connect in the 2nd column you get more wilds but it's hard to connect in that column because the OM symbols are rare on that reel and land only one at a time. Forget the 4th and 5th columns. They are so low payback they are not even worth discussing.

    What I'm pointing out is the wild/bubbles have huge value in the 3rd column as opposed to the others. There are many more OM symbols on that reel than the other reels and when you connect you make a lot of 4 in a rows and 5 in a rows.

    Finding the bubbles/wilds in the 3rd column is the main play in this game. Finding it in the 1st row has no value because it will rotate off the screen on the next spin. Finding it in the 2nd row has value for just one spin. Finding it in the 3rd row has value for two spins. Finding it in the 4th row has value for three spins. And finding the bubble at the bottom before it rotates up to the 4th column has the most value of all because you get four spins at connecting with the OM symbols.

    The 3rd column is the powerhouse on this play.

    More tonight. I've got things to do today.
    Last edited by mickeycrimm; 03-01-2019 at 07:39 AM.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  4. #24
    Originally Posted by Advantageplay View Post
    Hi all, this was my ocean magic play if anyone has any question rather than. Having wrong info I thought I would answer

    What an idiot.

    Can you clarify the starting positions of the bubbles? How many denominations were available? What do you think the value per player was? Why did you feel the need to make your play public? Could you not have gone to gaming and got paid without press attention?

  5. #25
    I have played the game online at lower limits when it was there. Without the bubble boost the starting positions were reel 1 position 2 and reel 5 bubble below line.. With the bubble boost activated reel 1 was the same but the other bubble now started below reel 4. You got the one shot at each denomination which equated to 4 spins. Did the online game have a higher return. If you look at that photo with the bubble on reel three that is not a starting position. It shows a pay in reel one position 2. That not possible in the starting position. As soon as you spin the wild is on the way up.

  6. #26
    Originally Posted by News777 View Post
    I have played the game online at lower limits when it was there. Without the bubble boost the starting positions were reel 1 position 2 and reel 5 bubble below line.. With the bubble boost activated reel 1 was the same but the other bubble now started below reel 4. You got the one shot at each denomination which equated to 4 spins. Did the online game have a higher return. If you look at that photo with the bubble on reel three that is not a starting position. It shows a pay in reel one position 2. That not possible in the starting position. As soon as you spin the wild is on the way up.
    Did more bubbles appear in your four spins?
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  7. #27
    Originally Posted by Advantageplay View Post
    Hi all, this was my ocean magic play if anyone has any question rather than. Having wrong info I thought I would answer
    Advantageplay, we have a confederacy of dunces on this site, Singer, Belly, Blackhole, Mendelson, that are to stupid to learn advantage play. They brag about beating negative expectation games and call us AP's dumb. That's how stupid they are.

    But the rest of us have been curious. If the starting positions for the bubbles are Reel 1 Row 2, and Reel 4 Below the 4th Row, then I would guess that not to be a strong play unless you knew that more bubbles were going to come out....and they were going to land in the same positions every time. Is that what was going on?
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  8. #28
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by News777 View Post
    I have played the game online at lower limits when it was there. Without the bubble boost the starting positions were reel 1 position 2 and reel 5 bubble below line.. With the bubble boost activated reel 1 was the same but the other bubble now started below reel 4. You got the one shot at each denomination which equated to 4 spins. Did the online game have a higher return. If you look at that photo with the bubble on reel three that is not a starting position. It shows a pay in reel one position 2. That not possible in the starting position. As soon as you spin the wild is on the way up.
    Did more bubbles appear in your four spins?
    Yes, more bubbles can appear but that's normal on Ocean Magic. That's why the game is risky at high denominations. You have to keep playing until the wild bubbles are gone. When bubble boost is activated other wilds are spit out by the shell. It's not free. Your paying for those bubbles with each spin. Those wilds better hook up to create some wins or your stuck a bunch of money. You can find wilds all day long on the 4th&5th line in brick and mortar casinos and vultures won't touch them.

  9. #29
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post

    LOLOLOL! Robbie, your stupidity is only exceeded by your ignorance. The star in the article, "Jay" and I have been following each other on Twitter for well over a year. We even traded a few Direct Messages today.
    Sure you have mickey....probably in-between all your "correspondence" with these new bazookas who just joined in. And have you noticed how you claimed to be a dollar-and-under player, until this thread? Seems the bs stories all change with the wind.

    Get your stories straight. You're seeming more and more like that solicitation clown redietz, who's certainly not right in the head.
    Slobbie, you just step right in the shit every time you post. You can never produce a quote where I said I'm a dollar or under player. I've played for as high as $100 a spin. And here is the correspondence. Do you ever get tired of lying about other people?

    I was advised by multiple different attorneys to speak to the press. We had already gone to gaming. I’ve been an ap quite a while. Fact is with this play it was on the sites since 2017 no one played it. After we hit it they removed the game off of every single platform in existence.

  10. #30
    I do not do forum much. Much easier to send me a message on twitter My handle is in the article. Not sure if I am allowedd to say it on here

  11. #31
    Originally Posted by Advantageplay View Post
    I do not do forum much. Much easier to send me a message on twitter My handle is in the article. Not sure if I am allowedd to say it on here
    Yes, you can post it.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  12. #32
    This week's Gambling With An Edge has some coverage of this situation with Borgata.

  13. #33
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    This week's Gambling With An Edge has some coverage of this situation with Borgata.
    I heard, I may be doing the show in a couple of weeks, I have no decided yet as I am friendly with Richard The other host I am not all the fond of
    In answer to max pen question the value per person was 90-110k and we were right in line with that. The totals were probably slightly higher then what the article mention but I had misplaced some notes at the time

  14. #34
    As a Pennsylvania native, I think I know Gettysburg when I've seen it, if you get my drift.

    All that's left is Pickett's Charge. I don't expect Appomattox -- that would require perspective and a lack of narcissism.

    Well done, mickeycrimm. Thanks, AdvantagePlay, for the reality verification.


    P.S. Anyone interested in the science of disconfirmed expectations should read the classic on cognitive dissonance, "When Prophecy Fails." Leon Festinger is the primary author.
    Last edited by redietz; 03-02-2019 at 07:54 AM.

  15. #35
    Originally Posted by Advantageplay View Post
    The other host I am not all the fond of
    It wouldn't surprise me at all if you are not alone in this being a significant factor for deciding whether to appear on the podcast.

  16. #36
    Just going with some stats in the article.

    These are just ballpark stats:

    First spin worth 126%,
    3 subsequent spins worth 140%.
    10 players
    13 gambling sites
    Results fell in line with expectation
    Total win was 900K.
    Average edge was 36.5%
    900K is 36.5% of a total wager of about 2.5 million
    Each player ran about a 250K total wager
    That would be 25K per site
    Each site lost an average of 70K
    Each player won an average of 7K per site.

    I'm sure that players lost on certain sites. But with such a strong edge I'm also sure they made up for it in their winning sessions on other sites. It was probably something like booked a win on 10 or 11 sites and lost a little money on 2 or 3 sites.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  17. #37
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by Advantageplay View Post
    The other host I am not all the fond of
    It wouldn't surprise me at all if you are not alone in this being a significant factor for deciding whether to appear on the podcast.
    My guess is the Revel promotion in 2013 has something to do with it.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  18. #38
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post



    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    I was in line to get a call on the Jersey play.
    I'm wondering why the wormm didn't report on this play, and the issue surrounding the players' winnings (and deposits!) being withheld, until after the article was published.

    Why he didn't comment on the situation until after jb posted the link to the article?

    After all, he's been a clitter-buddy with the "star of the article" for over a year, and was in line for a call on the play (how does he know that?).

    This sounds like pretty big news in the AP community. If wormm had reported the news before the article came out, then wow that scoop would have been real validation for his AP insider reputation.

    It's like he didn't know about the play, or the article, until the link was posted here...maybe I missed his post? He can always concoct a phony quote like the APs are known to do.

    Looks like the ditz may have competition for past-posting supremacy on VCT.

    The only people that knew about the play prior were the few I invited and one person who did the math for me. Some knew as it was going on but when it was on its last leg. Mr dancer would not have been on any call list

  19. #39
    Originally Posted by Advantageplay View Post
    The only people that knew about the play prior were the few I invited and one person who did the math for me.
    Why didn't you invite mickeycrimm, or tell him about the play after it was over and before the article was written?

    How did Eric Raskin know about it?

  20. #40
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    AP's don't tell everything they know to each other.
    Especially new or obscure games. We have a table game that's very rare we hit every so often that Jacobson doesn't even know about. Great game with a nice edge and very low variance too.

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