APs Wrongly Prosecuted - Keno - They're Suing Harrah's

[Rob.Singer]

Really funny stuff. An AP "code of ethics"? Hahaha!! If they could keep their lies straight while pontificating on forums, they'd STILL be so full of shit that they wouldn't know whether to put their butts or their faces on toilet seats.

Even funnier is how people who trigger machines to make higher payouts than they're suppose to because of bugs, are idolized at the "altar of the AP". but when these idols are just too stupid to carry the scam to its fullest--just as in the Kane Video Poker blunder--the AP community is suddenly questioning the true value of its secret handshake.

And kew....get a real life, will you? You act like this forum nonsense is the end-all. No wonder you're weird.

[Alan Mendelson]

Well Bob21 that combination of knowing the code to get bigger pays is certainly suspicious but what's the crime? Was the machine tampered with and did they have inside information? Or did they experiment by testing known flaws and discovered one that worked?

Define the criminal activity.

Let me tell you about how TV stations in LA have manipulated the Nielsen TV ratings. In the past it was known that Nielsen had more "diaries" and meters in the Long Beach area. So the TV stations increased their news coverage of Long Beach during the ratings period.

I think what the TV stations did is no different than what these players did. And no one accused the TV stations of committing a crime when they covered more Long Beach news to boost their ratings.

[kewlJ]

Shut the fuck up Argentino, you pathetic, ancient piece of shit. You are a troll and you look the part. You may be the ugliest and stupidest old fool I have ever encountered. You are the "missing" link.

Climb back under your rock Argentino, you maggot.

[Bob21]

I am not going to speak for or answer for BoSox. Ask him. But I suppose he was frustrated and annoyed at the multiple handle thing just like I am. Regardless of whether you did so unintentionally or not, it is just annoying. All I can say is almost all legitimate AP's use the same handle or a very slight variation. And generally the trolls use multiple handles.

In my own case, I knew something was up with you when you got here. The way you were kissing Moses ass, my first though was that you were a moses sock puppet. I was wrong about that I guess, but I knew something wasn't right with all your ass kissing and playing both sides. After some interaction, I decided just to ignore you, and pay little attention to you.

So then I go to BJinfo, and spend time and effort responding to a member that seemed sincere, only to later (yesterday) find out it is you. WTF?

I mean as an AP that wants to share my experiences, I am suppose to spend mega time, going through posts with different handles, trying to figure out who is who and who is legit and who is trolling? I mean come on!

You’re missing the point Kj. Do you ever look at the content? That’s all the matters to me. Why do you care who is asking the question? If it’s a good question, then I answer it. Why does it matter to you who made the post?

Every question I asked on blackjackinfo was legitimate. I wanted to know your opinion. If you didn’t want to give it that’s your choice. There was no troll intent on any of those questions or posts. Why does it matter to you who asked the questions?

I think that’s the problem here and on other sites. People pick sides and then defend that side regardless of what is being said. And the side they don’t agree they will go into name calling mode.

I actually think it’d make for a better format and discussions if people didn’t know who made the posts. People wouldn’t be so keyed in on who made the post and more on the content. I wonder why that’s not done. I guess then people wouldn’t know who to attack. Lol

[kewlJ]

I have never said that AP's are angels. Some have more morals than others, just like everything else. As a matter of fact, there is some connection between unethical opportunities that puts some players that do things I don't find acceptable among us. That's the way it is. I don't vouch for or support all AP's or all AP plays. I do and support what I am comfortable with.

And yeah, Monet will jump all over me, because he thinks all AP's and all people in general have more bad than good in them.

But I will tell you this, I will put AP's as a group up against the casino industry as far as morals, and the AP's as a group (even including the worst of us) will win, hands down.

[Bob21]

Well Bob21 that combination of knowing the code to get bigger pays is certainly suspicious but what's the crime? Was the machine tampered with and did they have inside information? Or did they experiment by testing known flaws and discovered one that worked?

Define the criminal activity.

Let me tell you about how TV stations in LA have manipulated the Nielsen TV ratings. In the past it was known that Nielsen had more "diaries" and meters in the Long Beach area. So the TV stations increased their news coverage of Long Beach during the ratings period.

I think what the TV stations did is no different than what these players did. And no one accused the TV stations of committing a crime when they covered more Long Beach news to boost their ratings.

Alan, have you read any of my recent posts? I’m agreeing with you. What they did was not a crime if they didn’t get this “code” from an “inside source”. I found one article that went through how the casino caught them. It was during a monthly audit when they saw they were a couple hundred thousand short. They then went back and looked at video and saw these people punching in a bunch of buttons on these keno machines that triggered the bug, and these machines spitting out cash. I know they spit out tickets that had to redeemed for cash at the cage.

Reading some of the articles here is what I think happened. Someone knew about the bug and word spread. Binnings is the one who found out about it and he told his friends, who drove there to exploit it. The question is how did Binnings find out about it? From what I can tell, he’s not reveling his source and he isn’t required to by law. At any rate, it doesn’t appear these five discovered the magic code on their own.

[kewlJ]

Every question I asked on blackjackinfo was legitimate. I wanted to know your opinion. If you didn’t want to give it that’s your choice. There was no troll intent on any of those questions or posts. Why does it matter to you who asked the questions?

What does it matter? Maybe I don't want to help someone that spends 90% of their time trashing me, attempting to discredit me and then turns around and under a different handle acts all sincere and wants my advice. I find it dishonest. And I don't appreciate someone deceiving me into helping them.

Now I gotta go to work.

[Bob21]

Every question I asked on blackjackinfo was legitimate. I wanted to know your opinion. If you didn’t want to give it that’s your choice. There was no troll intent on any of those questions or posts. Why does it matter to you who asked the questions?

What does it matter? Maybe I don't want to help someone that spends 90% of their time trashing me, attempting to discredit me and then turns around and under a different handle acts all sincere and wants my advice. I find it dishonest.

What? I think you got the wrong person. When did I try to discredit you? I’ve always defended you and say I believe your story. Go back and read some of my posts?

I do think Moses is funny, but I don’t like his threats against you. Moses and I have the same sense of humor. Probably because we grew up in the Midwest.

Are you sure you got the right person? I think you might have mistaken me for someone else? If I said something against you it was probably in an honest debate or something I said in sacrasim. I know APs have a long memory and not a very good sense of humor.

We did disagree on some topics but I never tried to discredit you.

[Keystone]

Every question I asked on blackjackinfo was legitimate. I wanted to know your opinion. If you didn’t want to give it that’s your choice. There was no troll intent on any of those questions or posts. Why does it matter to you who asked the questions?

What does it matter? Maybe I don't want to help someone that spends 90% of their time trashing me, attempting to discredit me and then turns around and under a different handle acts all sincere and wants my advice. I find it dishonest.

What? I think you got the wrong person. When did I try to discredit you? I’ve always defended you and say I believe your story. Go back and read some of my posts?

I do think Moses is funny, but I don’t like his threats against you. Moses and I have the same sense of humor. Probably because we grew up in the Midwest.

Are you sure you got the right person? I think you might have mistaken me for someone else? If I said something against you it was probably in an honest debate or something I said in sacrasim. I know APs have a long memory and not a very good sense of humor.

We did disagree on some topics but I never tried to discredit you.

Personally, your humor is a lot wittier than the 4th grade duds that broke,gutless,shitbag Moses tries to pull off....I do think it’s quite humorous him trying to goad you into what to say and who to do battle with from his deserted Broke Shitbag Island forum that he posts at by himself...equally amusing is that he responds to every post made here...sort of like a little hobbit with his nose pressed against the bakeshop window, with no money to go inside and buy anything...would expect someone with such a successful BJ career (maybe BJ as in blow job withTater) and Sandra Bullock by his side to be much too busy

[BoSox]

Every question I asked on blackjackinfo was legitimate. I wanted to know your opinion. If you didn’t want to give it that’s your choice. There was no troll intent on any of those questions or posts. Why does it matter to you who asked the questions?

What does it matter? Maybe I don't want to help someone that spends 90% of their time trashing me, attempting to discredit me and then turns around and under a different handle acts all sincere and wants my advice. I find it dishonest.

What? I think you got the wrong person. When did I try to discredit you? I’ve always defended you and say I believe your story. Go back and read some of my posts?

I do think Moses is funny, but I don’t like his threats against you. Moses and I have the same sense of humor. Probably because we grew up in the Midwest.

Are you sure you got the right person? I think you might have mistaken me for someone else? If I said something against you it was probably in an honest debate or something I said in sacrasim. I know APs have a long memory and not a very good sense of humor.

We did disagree on some topics but I never tried to discredit you.

How about when you wrote this post on BJ INFO bjo32, you were not trying to discredit anyone, yah right.

"Excellent post Rattle1! I wasn’t going to weigh in on this topic since it’s such a ridicules claim (for all the reasons you’ve already mentioned) that I can’t believe any intelligent person believes it.

“Beast Mode” is one of the more amusing things APs have come up with. The funny thing is there are some APs that actually think they have exploited it. I don’t know who are dumber, the APs that believe in “beast mode” or the ones who think they have exploited it. Lol.

I’ve also had a debate with KewJ on Mindplay, which I won’t get into here. But it’s much more complicated than what KewlJ and other APs believe. This technology went by the wayside because it was flawed and the casino staff and public didn’t like it. It’s not because it was designed to be a cheating device.

As far as casinos and cheating, does it go on? Of course. There are about 500 casinos in USA. It would be ridicules to think someone somewhere in the casino industry hasn’t cheated at sometime now or in the past. What people like to do is point out some isolated case of cheating here or there and then indict a whole industry of doing it all the time. These same people do the same thing with busisness. They point out one or two corrupt businesses (think Enron and Worldcom) and claim this shows all business cheat and are corrupt.

It’s good to see a like-minded AP who has some common sense."


It is people like you Bob that play both sides of a person first by reading others questions or one of your own and then thanking them for giving sound advice then depending how you get out of bed the next day you may slam them. Good job. Why are you now fucking with Moses?

[Bob21]

What does it matter? Maybe I don't want to help someone that spends 90% of their time trashing me, attempting to discredit me and then turns around and under a different handle acts all sincere and wants my advice. I find it dishonest.

What? I think you got the wrong person. When did I try to discredit you? I’ve always defended you and say I believe your story. Go back and read some of my posts?

I do think Moses is funny, but I don’t like his threats against you. Moses and I have the same sense of humor. Probably because we grew up in the Midwest.

Are you sure you got the right person? I think you might have mistaken me for someone else? If I said something against you it was probably in an honest debate or something I said in sacrasim. I know APs have a long memory and not a very good sense of humor.

We did disagree on some topics but I never tried to discredit you.

How about when you wrote this post on BJ INFO bjo32, you were not trying to discredit anyone, yah right.

"Excellent post Rattle1! I wasn’t going to weigh in on this topic since it’s such a ridicules claim (for all the reasons you’ve already mentioned) that I can’t believe any intelligent person believes it.

“Beast Mode” is one of the more amusing things APs have come up with. The funny thing is there are some APs that actually think they have exploited it. I don’t know who are dumber, the APs that believe in “beast mode” or the ones who think they have exploited it. Lol.

I’ve also had a debate with KewJ on Mindplay, which I won’t get into here. But it’s much more complicated than what KewlJ and other APs believe. This technology went by the wayside because it was flawed and the casino staff and public didn’t like it. It’s not because it was designed to be a cheating device.

As far as casinos and cheating, does it go on? Of course. There are about 500 casinos in USA. It would be ridicules to think someone somewhere in the casino industry hasn’t cheated at sometime now or in the past. What people like to do is point out some isolated case of cheating here or there and then indict a whole industry of doing it all the time. These same people do the same thing with busisness. They point out one or two corrupt businesses (think Enron and Worldcom) and claim this shows all business cheat and are corrupt.

It’s good to see a like-minded AP who has some common sense."


It is people like you Bob that play both sides of a person first by reading others questions or one of your own and then thanking them for giving sound advice then depending how you get out of bed the next day you may slam them. Good job. Why are you now fucking with Moses?

Bosox, these are the two things I didn’t agree with kj on, “mindplay” and “beast mode”. Not agreeing with him on these two topics does not mean I’m trying to discredit him or I don’t believe his story.

So you’re saying two intelligent people can’t disagree and debate a topic? I thought the debate between Kj and me on “mindplay” was a good one. We didn’t agree with each other, but we also didn’t get in the mud and start calling each other names. That’s rare in forum debates.

So you’re saying two people should never disagree on a forum? If that’s the case, what good is a forum? Isn’t this where we exchange ideas, and sometimes disagree with each other?

The problem with APs, you included Bosox, is anytime someone disagrees with you, they are immediately called a troll.

When the presidental candidates debated on national tv, did you see that as trolling? Based on your definition that’s all the happened...a bunch of trolling between the candidates. Lol

And I don’t play both sides. Nothing you posted supported your comment that I play both sides. Please reread you own post. I look at the facts and base them on what I see. I agree or disagree with someone based on the facts, not who the poster is. I know this is a rare practice in AP circles.

Btw, you somewhat contradicted yourself here and in your recent post about me on BJTF. You called me “consistent” on BJTF, even with my couple 1000 handles to throw everybody off. Lol. Here you’re saying I’m playing both sides. Which is it? You said all my handles are consistent. This doesn’t sound like someone who plays both sides. I can’t even figure out what you believe since you contradict yourself from one post to the next. Lol

You also called me “cagey”. Thank you! I’ve never been called cagey before. You gave me a lot of compliments. Thank you!

And btw, thank you reposting some of my posts I made on blackjackinfo. Those are some of my better ones. They should probably be nominated for some top ten posting award. Do any forums do that anymore?

[BoSox]

I will say something about you Bob21, it is people like you that are responsible for silencing the more knowledgeable posters and subsequently driving them off the boards. Of course, it is always the new players starting out who pay the price.

[BoSox]

APs see anybody that disagrees with their world view as being a troll. APs are kind of like a cult. They want everybody to think the same way.

This is an outright fucking lie, maggot. No more playing footsy with your ass. You're just a punk ass troll.

Pertaining to you bob21, I could not have said it any better than mickeycrimm, who I absolutely agree with.

[Bob21]

I will say something about you Bob21, it is people like you that are responsible for silencing the more knowledgeable posters and subsequently driving them off the boards. Of course, it is always the new players starting out who pay the price.

If I’m really doing that, that’s a good thing. Thank you for your compliment! You continue to praise me. Please stop! My heads about ready to explode. Lol.

We need some people working and doing productive things otherwise our economy will go to hell in a hand basket. The last thing this world needs is more parasites, I mean APs. That’s a joke.

As your hero, Freightman, said on BJTF, an AP provides no value to society. If that’s the case, then why do you want to create more APs?

If I’m silencing “the more knowledgeable posters”, why is that happening? Can’t they support their point of view? Are you saying they’re cowards? Who appointed you as their spokesperson?

Btw, I saw you got a lot of unhelpfuls when you made that attack against me on BJTF. It appears I have some fans over there or nobody cares for you. Either way, it doesn’t make you look good, but I’m pretty sure you’re used to it by now.

Blackhole’s nickname for you is a good one. BOBO, the clown. Lol

[BoSox]

Every question I asked on blackjackinfo was legitimate. I wanted to know your opinion. If you didn’t want to give it that’s your choice. There was no troll intent on any of those questions or posts. Why does it matter to you who asked the questions?

What does it matter? Maybe I don't want to help someone that spends 90% of their time trashing me, attempting to discredit me and then turns around and under a different handle acts all sincere and wants my advice. I find it dishonest.

What? I think you got the wrong person. When did I try to discredit you? I’ve always defended you and say I believe your story. Go back and read some of my posts?

I do think Moses is funny, but I don’t like his threats against you. Moses and I have the same sense of humor. Probably because we grew up in the Midwest.

Are you sure you got the right person? I think you might have mistaken me for someone else? If I said something against you it was probably in an honest debate or something I said in sacrasim. I know APs have a long memory and not a very good sense of humor.

We did disagree on some topics but I never tried to discredit you.

KJ got it right, and you think you are being clever with that same sense of humor as your buddy on the island. By the way he is enjoying your quick wit and snap replies by Moses saying:


" Again, with the newbies. WTF. IF think can't surf a forum. Lord help them when they arrive in a casino. Huh, well I was doing okay and then I went on a BJ forum and cagey fucked up my mind with Mindplay and I lost $29K in a week."

Then he continues with quoting you and also replying himself:

"Cagey replies; Btw, I saw you got a lot of unhelpfuls when you made that attack against me on BJTF. It appears I have some fans over there (NO) or nobody cares for you(probably). Either way, it doesn’t make you look good, but I’m pretty sure you’re used to it by now (doubt it)."

Whoa! Talk about your lightning rounds. Let's go with No, Probably, doubt it for $200 Alex. I mean Axel.

"Cagey replies. If I’m really doing that, that’s a good thing. Thank you for your compliment! You continue to praise me. Please stop! My heads about ready to explode. Lol."

Well, don't feel like the Lone Ranger. Poor Blackhole and Karl just busted a spring. Even Mr. Tucker is a might put out...and nothing usually bother him."

BoSox:

Since you both come from the Mid West with the same sick sense of humor this could turn out that you are both the exact same person only you are the sock puppet. If not either way you are the link to the island, and since he is having so much fun over there I have decided to go for the lightning round that he just mentioned.


Pertaining to that obsession he has with someone else loosing $29k in a week why does that even bother him so much in the first place, as
it is really irrelevant to him personally? Yes Kj did mention it but was not complaining, but, did open himself up for criticism. Moses has a frequent saying that goes something like this:


Making the first million is not that hard , but, you do not really learn how to handle money correctly until you lose your first two million.


For the true daily double Alex: What is the amount of money he lost in his divorce settlement. Suddenly $29K doesn't sound so bad.

[Bob21]

Does anybody know what Bosox just said? I don’t. Do we have a translator in the house?

[Keystone]

What does it matter? Maybe I don't want to help someone that spends 90% of their time trashing me, attempting to discredit me and then turns around and under a different handle acts all sincere and wants my advice. I find it dishonest.

What? I think you got the wrong person. When did I try to discredit you? I’ve always defended you and say I believe your story. Go back and read some of my posts?

I do think Moses is funny, but I don’t like his threats against you. Moses and I have the same sense of humor. Probably because we grew up in the Midwest.

Are you sure you got the right person? I think you might have mistaken me for someone else? If I said something against you it was probably in an honest debate or something I said in sacrasim. I know APs have a long memory and not a very good sense of humor.

We did disagree on some topics but I never tried to discredit you.

KJ got it right, and you think you are being clever with that same sense of humor as your buddy on the island. By the way he is enjoying your quick wit and snap replies by Moses saying:


" Again, with the newbies. WTF. IF think can't surf a forum. Lord help them when they arrive in a casino. Huh, well I was doing okay and then I went on a BJ forum and cagey fucked up my mind with Mindplay and I lost $29K in a week."

Then he continues with quoting you and also replying himself:

"Cagey replies; Btw, I saw you got a lot of unhelpfuls when you made that attack against me on BJTF. It appears I have some fans over there (NO) or nobody cares for you(probably). Either way, it doesn’t make you look good, but I’m pretty sure you’re used to it by now (doubt it)."

Whoa! Talk about your lightning rounds. Let's go with No, Probably, doubt it for $200 Alex. I mean Axel.

"Cagey replies. If I’m really doing that, that’s a good thing. Thank you for your compliment! You continue to praise me. Please stop! My heads about ready to explode. Lol."

Well, don't feel like the Lone Ranger. Poor Blackhole and Karl just busted a spring. Even Mr. Tucker is a might put out...and nothing usually bother him."

BoSox:

Since you both come from the Mid West with the same sick sense of humor this could turn out that you are both the exact same person only you are the sock puppet. If not either way you are the link to the island, and since he is having so much fun over there I have decided to go for the lightning round that he just mentioned.


Pertaining to that obsession he has with someone else loosing $29k in a week why does that even bother him so much in the first place, as
it is really irrelevant to him personally? Yes Kj did mention it but was not complaining, but, did open himself up for criticism. Moses has a frequent saying that goes something like this:


Making the first million is not that hard , but, you do not really learn how to handle money correctly until you lose your first two million.


For the true daily double Alex: What is the amount of money he lost in his divorce settlement. Suddenly $29K doesn't sound so bad.

Who exactly are you quoting in the above posts?....whoever it is appears to be some homeless,brain damaged moron

[tableplay]

Yes I suppose it depends on the meaning of "you"

Bill Clinton: "it depends on what the meaning of ‘is’ is"?

So "you" really meant to write

The majority believe the reverse based on no evidence.

but decided that typing two words ("The majority") instead of one ("you") was just too tedious.

I’m sure you think you made a very good point, but I have no idea what it was. But if it makes you feel any better, good job.

Hi Bob, when I post, one of my goals is to make my points clear to as many forum members as possible. In my opinion the majority (i.e. everyone except you) of the forum members know what point I was trying to make. Unfortunately, I cannot dumb it down any further.
Apologies, TP.

[mickeycrimm]

Really funny stuff. An AP "code of ethics"? Hahaha!! If they could keep their lies straight while pontificating on forums, they'd STILL be so full of shit that they wouldn't know whether to put their butts or their faces on toilet seats.

Even funnier is how people who trigger machines to make higher payouts than they're suppose to because of bugs, are idolized at the "altar of the AP". but when these idols are just too stupid to carry the scam to its fullest--just as in the Kane Video Poker blunder--the AP community is suddenly questioning the true value of its secret handshake.

And kew....get a real life, will you? You act like this forum nonsense is the end-all. No wonder you're weird.

We all know what your "code of ethics" is....and also what your credit score is.

[tableplay]

Well Bob21 that combination of knowing the code to get bigger pays is certainly suspicious but what's the crime? Was the machine tampered with and did they have inside information? Or did they experiment by testing known flaws and discovered one that worked?

Define the criminal activity.

Let me tell you about how TV stations in LA have manipulated the Nielsen TV ratings. In the past it was known that Nielsen had more "diaries" and meters in the Long Beach area. So the TV stations increased their news coverage of Long Beach during the ratings period.

I think what the TV stations did is no different than what these players did. And no one accused the TV stations of committing a crime when they covered more Long Beach news to boost their ratings.

Excellent point Alan. Note that this case is quite similar to the doubling down IGT VP bug case and that the disposition of the IGT VP case (through the appeal process IIRC) was that the defendants ended up being not guilty of any crime.