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  1. #361
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post

    Typical ap family conversation:

    “Honey, had a good day at the casino today go pick up that washer machine.” Three weeks later, “sorry honey no dryer yet, just hang in there. I have 8K stored in plus-ev, and that should be kicking in any day now.”
    While you make fun of it, this is exactly how it works. Given enough trials (long-term) advantage and expectation (or what I like to call accumulated EV) will come together. It's a mathematical certainty!

    Remember that line from the movie Titanic after the ship hit the iceberg. "No matter what we do from this point on, in a couple hours this will all be at the bottom of the Atlantic. It is a mathematical certainty".

    That is exactly what we have here and I am really sorry that some of you don't have the ability to understand that, so you mock what you don't understand.
    Let him keep thinking his way. You'll continue to make money while he loses. He went from a $5-$25 VP player to a quarter one. That tells me enough.

  2. #362
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Given enough time everyone using his system will end up in the red. Some sooner rather than later, some in the middle, and some it will take longer if they get lucky.
    Yes. This is what happened with the Bonus and Fire craps bets Alan espoused until expectation caught up with him and caused him to stop posting about it as a way to beat craps.

  3. #363
    I see Mr. Hammer da Butt is still over there talking and obsessing over me, and bursting blood vessels lol....I`ve never owned anyone before, it`s kinda fun

  4. #364
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post

    Let him keep thinking his way. You'll continue to make money while he loses. He went from a $5-$25 VP player to a quarter one. That tells me enough.
    You'd think he would want to puke just at the thought of walking into a casino. We witnessed his son and families regret for his gambling activities.
    FraudJ's word is worth less than the prop cash in Singer's safe...RIP

  5. #365
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post

    What I'm doing is going home with a profit. Since when is it wrong to go home with a profit?
    There is absolutely nothing wrong with a -EV player (losing player) going home with a profit. As a matter of fact you should do so EVERY chance you get. if you put a dollar in a machine and win your first spin, resulting in $1.25....you SHOULD get up and go home. Because every spin you take further it becomes more likely you will lose. Not trying to be nasty....those are just the hard cold facts.

    Now for a +EV player the exact opposite is true. Every spin he takes it becomes more likely he will win, so he should keep playing as long as he is playing at an advantage.
    And these statements are exactly why the AP-argument never holds water.

    Guess what kew--no $2 and up vp-AP plays any positive pay table because there aren't any....even at the dollar level they're nearly non-existent. All they do to smooth over their assertions is toss on slot club and other fluff (just as EVERY vp player always does, but most don't play games with that stuff) in order to be able to proclaim they're "playing with an edge".

    It all boils down to this "mathematical certainty" issue you crow about without even knowing what you're talking about. Anyone can easily determine that most of your statements are some sort of convoluted twist on book math. If you had any education on the subject at all, you'd KNOW what you said is blatantly untrue. There is absolutely a way for -EV to come out positive in the "long run" just as there is +EV to come out negative. That's what the math says, not the crazy mixed up screwball interpretation you've come up with. You know that Bell Curve you've heard and read about but apparently cannot comprehend? Start by studying that.

    For sure, I'm on the exception side of that. And how'd I get there and how do I stay there? Because I'm intelligent enuf and have studied enuf to know that good luck and bad luck play major rolls in gambling. People who go around proclaiming "there's no such thing as luck" in gambling are doing nothing but exposing their dropout status. And people who don't want to understand how my play strategy opts for more of that "good luck" for a very tiny give-up in EV on certain hands in certain games, have no clue beyond what amateurs have.

    The combination of good luck and quitting at pre-determined win goals (not stop-loss limits, which only reduces profit) is the ONLY way to win at any EV vp game consistently. Conversely, on and on play with bad luck is the only way to lose in the same games.

    You people are like blinded puppets, in a confusing world with off-beat music in your ears. Especially you kew. When you use the words "mathematical certainty" you need to understand WTF you are saying before bloviating. You would get destroyed in a debate with an educated person. Which is also why you don't have and couldn't hold a real job.
    Last edited by Rob.Singer; 03-16-2019 at 01:17 PM.

  6. #366
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post

    What I'm doing is going home with a profit. Since when is it wrong to go home with a profit?
    There is absolutely nothing wrong with a -EV player (losing player) going home with a profit. As a matter of fact you should do so EVERY chance you get. if you put a dollar in a machine and win your first spin, resulting in $1.25....you SHOULD get up and go home. Because every spin you take further it becomes more likely you will lose. Not trying to be nasty....those are just the hard cold facts.

    Now for a +EV player the exact opposite is true. Every spin he takes it becomes more likely he will win, so he should keep playing as long as he is playing at an advantage.
    And these statements are exactly why the AP-argument never holds water.

    Guess what kew--no $2 and up vp-AP plays any positive pay table because there aren't any....even at the dollar level they're nearly non-existant. All they do to smooth over their assertions is toss on slot club and other fluff (just as EVERY vp player always does, but most don't play games with that stuff) in order to be able to proclaim they're "playing with an edge".

    It all boils down to this "mathematical certainty" issue you crow about without even knowing what you're talking about. Anyone can easily determine that most of your statements are some sort of convoluted twist on book math. If you had any education on the subject at all, you'd KNOW what you said is blatantly untrue. There is absolutely a way for -EV to come out positive in the "long run" just as there is +EV to come out negative. That's what the math says, not the crazy mixed up screwball interpretation you've come up with. You know that Bell Curve you've heard and read about but apparently cannot comprehend? Start by studying that.

    For sure, I'm on the exception side of that. And how's I get there and how do I stay there? Because I'm intelligent enuf and have studied enuf to know that good luck and bad luck play major rolls in gambling. People who go around proclaiming "there's no such thing as luck" in gambling are doing nothing but exposing their dropout status.

    The combination of good luck and quitting at pre-determined win goals (not stop-loss limits, which only reduces profit) is the ONLY way to win at any EV vp game consistently. Conversely, on and on play with bad luck is the only way to lose in the same games.

    You people are like blinded puppets, in a confusing world with off-beat music in your ears. Especially you kew. When you use the words "mathematical certainty" you need to understand WTF you are saying before bloviating. You would get destroyed in a debate with an educated person. Which is also why you don't have and couldn't hold a real job.
    Quit lying. You're just another degenerate losing gambler. Wise up. We aren't falling for your tough guy persona.

  7. #367
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    Bob 21 wrote:

    " Btw, I truelly find Moses jokes pretty funny. Moses was always my favorite poster over BJTF, until he got the boot and sent to zenzone."


    That is more than enough information for me, I rest my case!
    Yep, and proud of it. I also liked some of the videos Moses attached, especially the sports ones. I’ve forward some of the better ones onto my family and friends and they liked them too. So Moses has quite a fan club in my neck of the woods.

    Btw, Bosox, you could take some pointers from Moses on how to insult people. As Moses has pointed out, you are very weak in this area and it’s somewhat embarrassing, especially your attacks on Ron Singer. You need to work on this. You remind me of the forum nerd who is trying to fit in, but still hasn’t figured out how to insult people like the big boys. Lol

    As I’ve said many tines, if there is ever a Forum Hall of Fame, Moses will be the first person in it. He’s a legend across the Forum universe. He’s so large he has his own outpost, zenzone, with an audience larger than many forums. It’s must read material for any forum junky.

    Moses, you’ve asked me to come clean on who I am so here it is. Yes, I have about 256 or so different handles, but ustonzen is not one of them. I have no idea who he is. I came after him. I’ve already said why I have so many handles so I won’t go into this again. It’s also my hobby and I do it to keep Bobo active since he likes to play forum detective. In fact, just today I came up with ten new handles. Now I just need to find ten new forums to use them on. So Bobo, you’ve got your work cut out for you. I’m one step ahead of you.

    I have only tried to deliberately deceive one person with my different handles and that’s Moses. I have already said why I did this. It was not to stab him in the back...it was to better understand his counting system. I hope Moses can find it in his heart to forgive me, because I’ve come to find out this is the worse transgression an AP can make. As kJ has pointed out, you can try to fool someone by being a “sock”, but you should NEVER try to fool them by being a different “handle”. This distinction is still something I’m trying to figure out. You got to remember nobody gave me the AP code of ethics manual, so I’m still winging it.

  8. #368
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post

    There is absolutely nothing wrong with a -EV player (losing player) going home with a profit. As a matter of fact you should do so EVERY chance you get. if you put a dollar in a machine and win your first spin, resulting in $1.25....you SHOULD get up and go home. Because every spin you take further it becomes more likely you will lose. Not trying to be nasty....those are just the hard cold facts.

    Now for a +EV player the exact opposite is true. Every spin he takes it becomes more likely he will win, so he should keep playing as long as he is playing at an advantage.
    And these statements are exactly why the AP-argument never holds water.

    Guess what kew--no $2 and up vp-AP plays any positive pay table because there aren't any....even at the dollar level they're nearly non-existant. All they do to smooth over their assertions is toss on slot club and other fluff (just as EVERY vp player always does, but most don't play games with that stuff) in order to be able to proclaim they're "playing with an edge".

    It all boils down to this "mathematical certainty" issue you crow about without even knowing what you're talking about. Anyone can easily determine that most of your statements are some sort of convoluted twist on book math. If you had any education on the subject at all, you'd KNOW what you said is blatantly untrue. There is absolutely a way for -EV to come out positive in the "long run" just as there is +EV to come out negative. That's what the math says, not the crazy mixed up screwball interpretation you've come up with. You know that Bell Curve you've heard and read about but apparently cannot comprehend? Start by studying that.

    For sure, I'm on the exception side of that. And how's I get there and how do I stay there? Because I'm intelligent enuf and have studied enuf to know that good luck and bad luck play major rolls in gambling. People who go around proclaiming "there's no such thing as luck" in gambling are doing nothing but exposing their dropout status.

    The combination of good luck and quitting at pre-determined win goals (not stop-loss limits, which only reduces profit) is the ONLY way to win at any EV vp game consistently. Conversely, on and on play with bad luck is the only way to lose in the same games.

    You people are like blinded puppets, in a confusing world with off-beat music in your ears. Especially you kew. When you use the words "mathematical certainty" you need to understand WTF you are saying before bloviating. You would get destroyed in a debate with an educated person. Which is also why you don't have and couldn't hold a real job.
    Quit lying. You're just another degenerate losing gambler. Wise up. We aren't falling for your tough guy persona.
    To you jbjb, who has proven to be nothing but a working stiff that wishes he could win at gambling by way of that armchair of yours, I guess I can see why the facts intimidate you.

    What was it again?...."how does free play work??!!"

  9. #369
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    I'm on the exception side of that.
    Of course you are.


    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    The combination of good luck and quitting at pre-determined win goals (not stop-loss limits, which only reduces profit) is the ONLY way to win at any EV vp game consistently. Conversely, on and on play with bad luck is the only way to lose in the same games.
    Dan Druff we REALLY need that new rolling on the floor hysterically laughing emoji. I mean I am talking laughing so hard that a person really hurts themselves.

  10. #370
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    Bob 21 wrote:

    " Btw, I truelly find Moses jokes pretty funny. Moses was always my favorite poster over BJTF, until he got the boot and sent to zenzone."


    That is more than enough information for me, I rest my case!
    Yep, and proud of it. I also liked some of the videos Moses attached, especially the sports ones. I’ve forward some of the better ones onto my family and friends and they liked them too. So Moses has quite a fan club in my neck of the woods.

    Btw, Bosox, you could take some pointers from Moses on how to insult people. As Moses has pointed out, you are very weak in this area and it’s somewhat embarrassing, especially your attacks on Ron Singer. You need to work on this. You remind me of the forum nerd who is trying to fit in, but still hasn’t figured out how to insult people like the big boys. Lol

    As I’ve said many tines, if there is ever a Forum Hall of Fame, Moses will be the first person in it. He’s a legend across the Forum universe. He’s so large he has his own outpost, zenzone, with an audience larger than many forums. It’s must read material for any forum junky.

    Moses, you’ve asked me to come clean on who I am so here it is. Yes, I have about 256 or so different handles, but ustonzen is not one of them. I have no idea who he is. I came after him. I’ve already said why I have so many handles so I won’t go into this again. It’s also my hobby and I do it to keep Bobo active since he likes to play forum detective. In fact, just today I came up with ten new handles. Now I just need to find ten new forums to use them on. So Bobo, you’ve got your work cut out for you. I’m one step ahead of you.

    I have only tried to deliberately deceive one person with my different handles and that’s Moses. I have already said why I did this. It was not to stab him in the back...it was to better understand his counting system. I hope Moses can find it in his heart to forgive me, because I’ve come to find out this is the worse transgression an AP can make. As kJ has pointed out, you can try to fool someone by being a “sock”, but you should NEVER try to fool them by being a different “handle”. This distinction is still something I’m trying to figure out. You got to remember nobody gave me the AP code of ethics manual, so I’m still winging it.
    Blob21, that is quite the hero you got there, someone to really be proud of, a real inspiration. Don't pretend to be his friend if you are not willing to join his board. Right now if ZZ had a post of the month award Moses would still come in second. Now today Moses gave you explicit orders that I will remind you again Moses friend:


    "Bob, I have ask a few times now. Please get me the phone number, case number, and detective working on my case. I have NOT received correspondence from anyone."

    Blob, apparently you condone all of those punch out threats that he makes "MWPlayer thinks he should get a second chance". Moses thinks that he is completely innocent, and all his mannerisms and insults are normal behavior. He needs about 10 years in Guantanamo Bay Prison.

    Pertaining to you blob you better start using new handles to keep all your funny games going. If you join ZZ you can keep your alias by using something like 12 blob.
    Last edited by BoSox; 03-16-2019 at 03:06 PM.

  11. #371
    Originally Posted by pahrump pete View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    I think what Rob is saying is that he doesn't follow the "rules" of AP play. For rxample he quits when ahead but APs say there is no need to quit because they are playing with an edge... even as they lose $8800 in a day and $29,000 in a week.

    APs find fault with his strategy to move down in denomination after a big win and to move up after a string of losses. APs condemn it but Rob's experience is that the strategy preserves wins and after a string of losses, it puts you in a position to catch a win. (I don't do this, by the way.)

    Yes, I think Rob's system has its own advantages that traditional APs won't see.
    STOP LOSSES/WINS ARE NOTHING SPECIAL. Rob didn't invent this wheel, he just adapted it to VP for his con to sell books or whatever. His system only helps him avoid losing everything in a short period of time and when he wins it helps him not to give it all back that day or whatever. No matter what you will never be able to consistently win using his system. Given enough time everyone using his system will end up in the red. Some sooner rather than later, some in the middle, and some it will take longer if they get lucky.

    AxelWolf, I assume for the AP "The ship will come in" at some point. Would you be willing to acknowledge it might be a mighty long wait? Are you sure everybody arrives safely? Is the journey toward the payoff always a calm sea?
    Nowadays, I tend to avoid things that have a mighty long wait. That's not to say I always do and always have. I played more things in the past that had long cycles, things that you could easily lose on. Fortunately, back then there were lots of different things like that, so you got enough shots and things tended to work out by the end of the year. You may not be up as much as you expected for the year, or you might be up significantly more than you should have been. The key is to have more things going that don't have a mighty long wait than the ones that do.

    IMO its best to get involved in/with multiple different things and don't put all your eggs in one basket.

    For example: If Mega bucks gets up to an amount that's +EV, I'm not going to go play it all day long until it hits, even if its worth hundreds of dollars an hour, however, I might spend some time playing it here and there.

  12. #372
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    Bob 21 wrote:

    " Btw, I truelly find Moses jokes pretty funny. Moses was always my favorite poster over BJTF, until he got the boot and sent to zenzone."


    That is more than enough information for me, I rest my case!
    Yep, and proud of it. I also liked some of the videos Moses attached, especially the sports ones. I’ve forward some of the better ones onto my family and friends and they liked them too. So Moses has quite a fan club in my neck of the woods.

    Btw, Bosox, you could take some pointers from Moses on how to insult people. As Moses has pointed out, you are very weak in this area and it’s somewhat embarrassing, especially your attacks on Ron Singer. You need to work on this. You remind me of the forum nerd who is trying to fit in, but still hasn’t figured out how to insult people like the big boys. Lol

    As I’ve said many tines, if there is ever a Forum Hall of Fame, Moses will be the first person in it. He’s a legend across the Forum universe. He’s so large he has his own outpost, zenzone, with an audience larger than many forums. It’s must read material for any forum junky.

    Moses, you’ve asked me to come clean on who I am so here it is. Yes, I have about 256 or so different handles, but ustonzen is not one of them. I have no idea who he is. I came after him. I’ve already said why I have so many handles so I won’t go into this again. It’s also my hobby and I do it to keep Bobo active since he likes to play forum detective. In fact, just today I came up with ten new handles. Now I just need to find ten new forums to use them on. So Bobo, you’ve got your work cut out for you. I’m one step ahead of you.

    I have only tried to deliberately deceive one person with my different handles and that’s Moses. I have already said why I did this. It was not to stab him in the back...it was to better understand his counting system. I hope Moses can find it in his heart to forgive me, because I’ve come to find out this is the worse transgression an AP can make. As kJ has pointed out, you can try to fool someone by being a “sock”, but you should NEVER try to fool them by being a different “handle”. This distinction is still something I’m trying to figure out. You got to remember nobody gave me the AP code of ethics manual, so I’m still winging it.
    Blob21, that is quite the hero you got there, someone to really be proud of, a real inspiration. Don't pretend to be his friend if you are not willing to join his board. Right now if ZZ had a post of the month award Moses would still come in second. Now today Moses gave you explicit orders that I will remind you again Moses friend:


    "Bob, I have ask a few times now. Please get me the phone number, case number, and detective working on my case. I have NOT received correspondence from anyone."

    Blob, apparently you condone all of those punch out threats that he makes "MWPlayer thinks he should get a second chance". Moses thinks that he is completely innocent, and all his mannerisms and insults are normal behavior. He needs about 10 years in Guantanamo Bay Prison.

    Pertaining to you blob you better start using new handles to keep all your funny games going. If you join ZZ you can keep your alias by using something like 12 blob.
    Lolololololololololololololololololololololol

  13. #373
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post

    What I'm doing is going home with a profit. Since when is it wrong to go home with a profit?

    Or, should I keep playing till I lose $8800 on a game when I think I have an edge?

    But you trapped me mickeycrimm. I didn't want to debate this. This is how I play. You play your way. Others should play their way. If they want to lose $29,000 in a week and call it variance it's fine by me. I can't afford to lose $29,000 in a week, or $8800 in a day.

    I'll take my small profits and go.
    As stated many thousands of times, going home with a profit and returning later is EXACTLY THE SAME as cashing out, spinning around the chair 3 times and restarting. Naturally none of you can fathom this.
    That's not exactly right.

    Cashing out with a ten dollar profit today, and then cashing out another ten dollar profit tomorrow gives you a total of $20.

    The difference between you and me is that I subscribe to the theory that everyone is ahead at some point -- and the trick is to cash out when you have a profit.

    Take this morning for example. I just came back from Red Rock where I had $15 of free play. I did get as high as $42.50 playing 25-cent 8/5 Bonus thanks to several full houses, but I cashed out $21.25 and using points had their players club breakfast.

    I wonder if the AP who lost $8800 in a day was ever ahead?

    Yeah, I've had days when I was never ahead but the stop loss or loss limit prevents you from digging a hole you can't climb out of.

    Try it.
    He was up about a million dollars when he ran into that puny $8800 losing streak.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  14. #374
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    Bob 21 wrote:

    " Btw, I truelly find Moses jokes pretty funny. Moses was always my favorite poster over BJTF, until he got the boot and sent to zenzone."


    That is more than enough information for me, I rest my case!
    Yep, and proud of it. I also liked some of the videos Moses attached, especially the sports ones. I’ve forward some of the better ones onto my family and friends and they liked them too. So Moses has quite a fan club in my neck of the woods.

    Btw, Bosox, you could take some pointers from Moses on how to insult people. As Moses has pointed out, you are very weak in this area and it’s somewhat embarrassing, especially your attacks on Ron Singer. You need to work on this. You remind me of the forum nerd who is trying to fit in, but still hasn’t figured out how to insult people like the big boys. Lol

    As I’ve said many tines, if there is ever a Forum Hall of Fame, Moses will be the first person in it. He’s a legend across the Forum universe. He’s so large he has his own outpost, zenzone, with an audience larger than many forums. It’s must read material for any forum junky.

    Moses, you’ve asked me to come clean on who I am so here it is. Yes, I have about 256 or so different handles, but ustonzen is not one of them. I have no idea who he is. I came after him. I’ve already said why I have so many handles so I won’t go into this again. It’s also my hobby and I do it to keep Bobo active since he likes to play forum detective. In fact, just today I came up with ten new handles. Now I just need to find ten new forums to use them on. So Bobo, you’ve got your work cut out for you. I’m one step ahead of you.

    I have only tried to deliberately deceive one person with my different handles and that’s Moses. I have already said why I did this. It was not to stab him in the back...it was to better understand his counting system. I hope Moses can find it in his heart to forgive me, because I’ve come to find out this is the worse transgression an AP can make. As kJ has pointed out, you can try to fool someone by being a “sock”, but you should NEVER try to fool them by being a different “handle”. This distinction is still something I’m trying to figure out. You got to remember nobody gave me the AP code of ethics manual, so I’m still winging it.
    Blob21, that is quite the hero you got there, someone to really be proud of, a real inspiration. Don't pretend to be his friend if you are not willing to join his board. Right now if ZZ had a post of the month award Moses would still come in second. Now today Moses gave you explicit orders that I will remind you again Moses friend:


    "Bob, I have ask a few times now. Please get me the phone number, case number, and detective working on my case. I have NOT received correspondence from anyone."

    Blob, apparently you condone all of those punch out threats that he makes "MWPlayer thinks he should get a second chance". Moses thinks that he is completely innocent, and all his mannerisms and insults are normal behavior. He needs about 10 years in Guantanamo Bay Prison.

    Pertaining to you blob you better start using new handles to keep all your funny games going. If you join ZZ you can keep your alias by using something like 12 blob.
    Not a bad comeback BOBO. You’re improving. Good job.! Hey, I never said Moses was my hero, but there is a quality about him I like and respect. I can tell he’s a man who lives his beliefs and he doesn’t care what others think. And he’s from the Midwest, played sports, has a great sense of humor, has homeless friends, and he plays bj. What’s not to like?

    I do think Moses should tone down the threats, but his insults are some of the best material on the internet. If people don’t laugh at some of his posts, they have no sense of humor. In a way, the bannings have been good for Moses since he’s become a legend in his post-banning life. Kj can says what he wants, but I think most of the views on Zenzone are legimate. And if other sites would allow Moses discussions to continue, he would dominate their forums too. Norm had to shut down Moses talk on BJTF, because Moses popularity was overtaking his site. I like that Dan is more lenient here and has allowed Moses discussion to continue. In fact, the more I’m on this site, the more I like the way Dan runs it.

    And Bosox thanks for the recommendation for my next handle, Blob21. I’m going to use it! Based on what Kj has told me, I think that handle passes the AP code of conduct. Am I right kj? You said as long as a new handle only differes by a couple letters or numbers, it’s okay. All my handles are pretty easy to spot so it shouldn’t have taken a rocket scientist to figure it out. Heck, bobo figured it out. They look like passwords, with letters and numbers. Oops, I let out the secrete code to all my different handles. Now I need to find a new handles so I can stay undercover. Lol

  15. #375
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Watch this interview

    Where did Royer get the 86% figure? I personally don't believe it.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  16. #376
    Blob21 wrote:

    "I do think Moses should tone down the threats, but his insults are some of the best material on the internet. If people don’t laugh at some of his posts, they have no sense of humor."



    Blob you do think that Moses should tone down the threats, how civilized of you to say that. Of course, his material is the best and people should OVERLOOK the madness, otherwise they have no sence of humor. Remember he is currently toning down his mean composure
    side now that the cyber police are watching him. That was a joke Blob he remains nuttier than ever, he is beyond hope. Just yesterday's postings at ZZ, here is a few excerps from Moses in separate threads at the Zen Zone forum:


    "Keystone, on the other, is worthless. I'm going to teach you some respect when we meet. You've pissed off a lot of people in your lifetime. IT only takes one to let me know where to find you. Patience and Persistence. Keep talkin dip shit. I've been down this road before. Victory is far away but sweet when it arrives."

    "I prefer to be the nice guy who likes to have fun and tell jokes. But sometimes it doesn't always work out that way. So that other person takes over. It is shocking because it's a complete 360 to others. But it's very rare. I look far beyond what pisses the average guy off."

    "Sure, I will take 10 years for standing up for my rights, freedom of speech, and busting their little narrow asses. I've lived 60 years and have no complaints. But there is a better place. I'm not afraid to go."


    "Yes, KJ tell us all about the insider people who cater to you after all this shit you wrote about Norm and many others on this forum. You're such a coward. You
    just incriminated several people by not giving out the real handle. You've got nothing. You can't stand it I'm in your head and you are too much of a coward to face me. It's eating you up inside. I could care less about the number of views. But I get plenty of feedback. So stick it in your ass KJ.

    You won't be laughing whe someone is going upside your head. Those who look for trouble. Find it. "


    Moses, be carefull of Blob he is not looking out for you. Blob, and I are not affraid to join ZZ because Norm will get upset, we both could care less what he thinks and you know that. Unlike Bob who is only playing games and only will give you subtle hints and quickly change the subject when he disagrees with you I will tell you streight up how I feel starting now. Until you can completely compose yourself without threats of violence no one will ever take you serious! It does not matter who is in the right or not you cannot continue being a menace to society. The truth hurts , but you deserve being on that ZZ board posting alone.

    Back to you Blob 21 I hope you are satisified with all the games you are playing with everyone includind Moses.
    Last edited by BoSox; 03-17-2019 at 08:19 AM.

  17. #377
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    "I prefer to be the nice guy who likes to have fun and tell jokes. But sometimes it doesn't always work out that way. So that other person takes over. It is shocking because it's a complete 360 to others. But it's very rare. I look far beyond what pisses the average guy off."
    Besides the fact that 360 degrees puts you right back where you are. I guess he meant 180 degrees, which would be opposite.

    Is there any other meaning from the rest of this other than he is talking about his multiple personalities? He is the nice one, but others in his head (maybe Tater) aren't so nice.

    I could do a laughing emoji here, but really more sad than funny.

    Edit: just to be clear this was Moses talking to himself. Quoted by Bosox.
    Last edited by kewlJ; 03-17-2019 at 12:03 PM.

  18. #378
    Not to be obtuse, but I wanted someone else to catch that 360 degrees comment. But remember, if you constantly rotate at 360 degrees and you are not in a constant plane, you are spiraling.

  19. #379
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    "I prefer to be the nice guy who likes to have fun and tell jokes. But sometimes it doesn't always work out that way. So that other person takes over. It is shocking because it's a complete 360 to others. But it's very rare. I look far beyond what pisses the average guy off."
    Besides the fact that 360 degrees puts you right back where you are. I guess he meant 180 degrees, which would be opposite.

    Is there any other meaning from the rest of this other than he is talking about his multiple personalities? He is the nice one, but others in his head (maybe Tater) aren't so nice.

    I could do a laughing emoji here, but really more sad than funny.

    Edit: just to be clear this was Moses talking to himself. Quoted by Bosox.


    KewlJ, your made me think of an interesting topic. You have mentioned previously that sometimes you get opportunities to count two tables at the same time. Something I could not do or try because of vision problems, but how about from this unique perspective. What happens when someone is using their column count and suddenly Mr Tater appears, I don't know about you but technically I count that as counting two tables. You can throw the red flag and challenge the play to be reviewed, but I think you would lose that one. Actually I think it is much harder to do it his way.

  20. #380
    So if Moses was tracking 2 tables, then between Tater and whoever else is in there (his mind), how many tables would they be tracking? 2? 4? More? Lol.

    I am going to stop now because it is becoming very apparent to me that there is a serious issue at play here and I don't want to continue to make light of it as easy as it may be.

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