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Thread: Does Moses Really Know Much About Blackjack

  1. #21
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post

    No problem with me Midwest Player. This is one pot that is fun to stir. My problem is lately I’m NOT getting much done at work. I’m spending all my time going back and forth between this site and Moses’s island. And Moses has been very busy lately too. I don’t know how he keeps up, having to respond to two active forums.

    I think Moses now has three posts here dedicated to himself, and sometimes he gets mentioned on the weather channel (I mean thread). Moses has become bigger after his banning than before. Kind of like Elivis became bigger after his death. Moses is becoming a legend in our lifetime, and we’re around to witness it. Wow! This is something one day we’ll be telling our grandkids about. History in the making!
    Who are you talking about? Who is this Moses?
    And why are people still obsessing over him?

    People got their wish and now he is gone. For those who wanted him gone, why still talk about him? How many more threads should we dedicate to him? If we are going to keep talking about him we should just bring him back. It seems as if that's what people want if they are still bringing his name up.
    It’s because Moses is truelly one of a kind. If there is ever a “Forum Hall of Fame”, Moses will be the first person inducted into it.

    No forum moderator has been able to silince him. They have tried, but failed. He’s been banned from multiple forums and still gets his message out through zenzone, his own private island. Many people go to zenzone multiple times a day to hear the “words of wisdom” from Moses. And Moses usually doesn’t disappoint.

    It’s also because of the ongoing debate on the identity of all the people that use Moses’s phone to post. Are they several personalities within Moses? Or does Moses pass his phone around to all his homeless buddies? This is a question that we’ll probably never be able to answer. It’s part of the mystery of Moses.

    There is also a debate on how much Moses knows about blackjack. Is he a genius like Bobby Fisher who learned without books or is he a degenerate gambler? Since no one will play Moses black chips (his perferred way to play), this question also goes unanswered.

    So now you can see why Moses has gained such a vast and loyal following. You don’t find people like this everyday.

  2. #22
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post

    It’s because Moses is truelly one of a kind. If there is ever a “Forum Hall of Fame”, Moses will be the first person inducted into it.

    No forum moderator has been able to silince him. They have tried, but failed. He’s been banned from multiple forums and still gets his message out through zenzone, his own private island. Many people go to zenzone multiple times a day to hear the “words of wisdom” from Moses. And Moses usually doesn’t disappoint.
    This post is exactly why several people, myself included think that you are either a sock puppet of Moses or otherwise associated with Moses. It is just hard to believe their is someone out there so fucked up as to think Moses is clever and amusing. Moses is a sick dude. And he HAS been silenced at every forum he has participated at except WoV, where I suspect he knows better than to try his shit. The fact is that Moses is a sick dude, with his threats and multiple personalities. That comes across pretty quickly and he ends up banned at most legitimate forums, even a forum such as this, where it is very difficult to get banned. What does that tell you?

    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    It’s also because of the ongoing debate on the identity of all the people that use Moses’s phone to post. Are they several personalities within Moses? Or does Moses pass his phone around to all his homeless buddies? This is a question that we’ll probably never be able to answer. It’s part of the mystery of Moses.
    I don't know exactly what Moses mental problems are. It is fairly clear that at times he acts more acceptable than others. That is usually a case of someone with some sort of mental condition, who goes off their medications. It's not really funny. That is when they become a danger to themselves and others. Again you shouldn't be encouraging this. It does appear that some sort of multiple personality is at play. And sockpuppets play right into this.

    And let's talk about sockpuppets: I have used sock puppets a few times. When I was banned at WoV, I used KewlJ2 and kewlj3 (or maybe it was KJ2 and KJ3) to continue to make a few points, knowing these accounts would be banned. Certainly was not trying to hide anything or deceive anyone. I later used a third sockpuppet at WoV, LVKid. That one was a little less transparent. I had been told by a third party that Mike wanted to find a way to allow me to post again, but he couldn't do so under my handle of KewlJ because of a promise to Norm. So I created LVkid, which was banned pretty quickly. Either the third party had some bad information or Mike's wishes were never relayed to other moderators. Either way I wasn't all that enthused about a second account.

    Now on BJTF, years after I was banned I created a sockpuppet, "spiderman" because I had some important information and experience relating to the ASM experience that I wanted to bring to light and share with the BJ AP community. Again, I didn't try to hide who I was or deceive anyone. I made it as plain as I could who I was and everyone knew.

    Now this is quite a bit different than people like Moses and Rob Singer, who both have a long history of sockpuppetry. Both use sockpuppets to vouch for them and attempt to build up their credibility. Do you see the difference here? And it becomes really weird when these guys start having conversations with their sockpuppets. That clarifies their mental issues in dealing with reality.

    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    There is also a debate on how much Moses knows about blackjack. Is he a genius like Bobby Fisher who learned without books or is he a degenerate gambler? Since no one will play Moses black chips (his perferred way to play), this question also goes unanswered.
    You repeating this challenge of Moses again, makes people question you. Think about what you are saying. Blackjack advantage players. We make our money and a living beating the blackjack games at a casino. No legitimate BJ AP is going to engage in some sort of 10 minute "pissing contest" with someone. Besides that there is no upside only risk, such a short contest would prove nothing, win or lose. Blackjack card counting advantage play is a long-term endeavor. Results meet expectation after hundreds of hours of play. Short-term results would have zero meaning, win or lose....again, only risk. You repeating this challenge only serves to have people question your motives and frankly your understanding of blackjack advantage play.

    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    So now you can see why Moses has gained such a vast and loyal following. You don’t find people like this everyday.
    Moses doesn't have a vast following. Besides you who seems to worship him in some extremely odd way, he is getting a few "views" at a completely dead forum because he is so demented. He is the fucking sicko sitting in the corner playing with his feces babbling nonsense to himself, so yeah, a few people stop and watch. And probably laugh. They are not laughing with him they are laughing AT him. And by the way some of those view are by legal authorities monitoring him and building a case against him. You are doing him no favors by encouraging this behavior.

  3. #23
    But kewlJ, Moses was vetted by Rob Singer. I read it right here. Isn't that kind of like being vetted by God?

  4. #24
    Pretty accurate assessment, especially the part of him sitting in a corner playing with his own shit, lol...I believe all the years of Hobo Hijinx in the backseat of his 4K clunker with Tater has taken a toll on his already microscopic brain

  5. #25
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    But kewlJ, Moses was vetted by Rob Singer. I read it right here. Isn't that kind of like being vetted by God?
    As I stated yesterday, Singer jumping on the Moses bandwagon, proves Singer has zero understanding of blackjack card counting. If there was anyone left that still has any question about his (lack of credibility) on any other subject matter, they should really be asking themselves, "well if this guy states thing completely wrong about this, how can I give any credibility into anything else he says". The boy who cried wolf scenario.

    But I suspect Singer doesn't care. He really has no credibility except with a small handful of co-anti AP members. So he doesn't care about his lack of credibility. He simply sees "an enemy of my enemy is my friend" situation and jumps on the bandwagon despite that he looks foolish to anyone with even a little bit of knowledge.

    And BTW, this is exactly the problem with this forum. This forum has actually shown some signs of life of late, with productive discussions about different plays, most things that I have no knowledge about, but sure as hell want to read all I can. And even a few new members participating in these discussion. And then.....as always...the Singer/Blackhole/Coach Belly tri hijacks some productive thread with their anti-AP hate. They are consumed with anti-AP hatred, bitterness, jealousy.

    If Dan Druff happens to be around, he will clean up the thread and ban one or all of that tri from the thread, but really, why not do something a bit more permanent. Remember the true definition of insanity.

  6. #26
    Kewl J wrote:

    "As I stated yesterday, Singer jumping on the Moses bandwagon, proves Singer has zero understanding of blackjack card counting."


    You missed the whole point, and it is surely not about understanding blackjack. Singer is all about using people and provoking others which he really enjoys doing. He is a leader and instigates some real dumb minions who follow his examples and that in itself gets him off even more. He really is one smart cookie who is pulling the whoolies over a lot of people.
    Last edited by BoSox; 03-09-2019 at 12:06 PM.

  7. #27
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Is he a genius like Bobby Fisher who learned without books or is he a degenerate gambler?
    I'm certainly not a degenerate gambler. Yet, I have never read one AP book in my life and I started doing this stuff before the internet was a thing. I must be a genius.

  8. #28
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Is he a genius like Bobby Fisher who learned without books or is he a degenerate gambler?
    I'm certainly not a degenerate gambler. Yet, I have never read one AP book in my life and I started doing this stuff before the internet was a thing. I must be a genius.
    I bought Charles Lund's Robbing the One-Armed Bandits just to see if he really knew machine AP.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  9. #29
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    I'm certainly not a degenerate gambler.
    Funniest Post I have ever read on these gambling forums!
    The only thing better would be if you posted about how You are NOT an Alcoholic!
    Every time I want a good laugh I think about how you told me you never drink when you are working LOL... hilarious!
    Next you will be posting about how you never left a 4 of a kind on a machine so your partners could come in later and claim it again and again, over and over.
    Last edited by monet; 03-10-2019 at 06:56 AM.

  10. #30
    Moses asks me to post this to Dan.

    Dan, I request that KJ and Bosox be banned until their false accusation against me are proven. IF they are proven wrong which they will be and I am proven right and I WILL be, then a permanent ban should be set on them both. KJ started threads that I couldn't reply to and made hundreds all false posts since I was banned on February 22.

    Dan, Norm, and Al. I don't have a problem with you checking IP addresses. But there is a huge problem with sharing them with other posters. I do not know where or who it is KJ claims are these creditable resources. But I suggest you ban him until this is all resolved.

    Anyone is free to come see me, meet Tater, see my home which I own, watch me play blackjack at green chip tables, play me for black chips (if you choose), see that I can count out loud the way I say I do on either a column or a percentage count. We can go into the 3 sportsbooks I bet and pull up a history of my standard $2,200 per game bet. You will see I have no physical disability as KJ suggests. I work out, take long walks, play blackjack, make sports bets, and go to a sports book maybe twice a week to watch a game or wind down after a full day of playing blackjack.

    Until that is proven otherwise, then KJs ban's need to be set forth.

    I am NOT homeless. Never been homeless. NEVER slept in a homeless shelter. I select my friends very carefully. There is one homeless friend which is Tater/Bobby who is not Bob 21. I do not receive any kind of SSI benefits nor disability benefits. I don't know if Bobby does or not. We have NEVER had that conversation. I have NEVER received any unemployment nor even any federal loan assistance for my kids college. WE didn't qualify because of too many assets. I bought my kids each a home while in college and sold it when the graduated. Except I ended up living in this one. Yes, I have been retired since 2010. There are no bills to pay other than household expenses like taxes, city fees, garbage, water, etc. My financial portfolio is decent and has continued to grow. There is plenty set aside for attorney fees to contact this alleged agency about the false information given to KJ about me. My attorney will be in contact with them. Count on it.

    Sorry this post couldn't be funny for you Bob 21. But I gave you every chance to post my other statement. Feel free to post and twist away Bosox. You know nothing about me and you know less about Tater. But I promise you we are NOT one in the same. So when you and KJ go into your cute little conversation about me and Tater being the same person and my unstable mental capacity - understand what you're getting yourself into. You're sticking your nose where is doesn't belong as you were not even on blackjackinfo at the same time as Tater. I have nothing to hide.

  11. #31
    So a banded man wants to band another man, damn. Sounds like the Spinners singing "RubberBand Man".

  12. #32
    Hey Moses, I wanted you to know your posts on zenzone lately have been excellent! I didn’t know which thread to post this on since you have so many threads over here with your name in the title. As I’m sure you know, you still have quite the following. You also have kj and his computer buddy spending all their time making hits on your posts to increase views. I still don’t know why they do this.

    I liked your comments on Zee. You are spot on! Zee knows exactly what he’s doing and sometimes he slips up and shows he’s smarter than the naive person he tries to portray. The funny thing is the APs on BJTF want to be right so bad and put someone down, they always jump at his bait like perch swarming over some breadcrumbs. Zee likes to stir them up, and they are pretty easy to stir up. I always like a Zee post. Not because of his comments, but because of how the APs react to them. They trip over each other trying to get in the last word. What would they do if Zee left? Probably try to find someone else to attack.

    Like you said, none of this really matters. Who cares who’s the bad guy or good guy? But in the AP world, it appears to be a big deal. Most want to believe they’re doing something more than just slightly turning the odds in their favor. They want to believe they’re doing something with a higher purpose.

    I first picked up on this on Blackjack Apprenticeship. On that site, everybody believes casino are this evil enterprise and the APs are the good guys freeing the money from the clutches of the evil casinos. Colin even went so far as to say the AP held the moral high ground, which obviously didn’t go over well with me. Whenever I would express my views, which I did very politely (not like here where I’m more sarastic since this is a tougher crowd - that is expect for Bobo Forum Detective, who seems to have a hard time with this stuff) they would attack me like piranha attacking a wounded animal. When I talked about tipping, you should have seen how they came after me. Tipping is a major no no over there.

    Anyway, as you know Zee and I now belong to an exclusive club, being the only two people kicked out of BJA. Me, for believing in tipping while I’m in a casino, and Zee for believing like Stanford Wong that it’s probably best to not make AP a full time job. Stanford Wong better not become a BJA member because he would probably get the boot too. Anybody that doesn’t conform to that site’s beliefs will probably get the boot. When you sign up, the guidelines should say agree with the leader or get the boot. Kind of a catchy phase now that I think of it. Lol

    Anyway, after I read all this negative misleading stuff about casinos (it’s on BJTF too), I started sticking up for casinos. I did the same thing in school when I saw bullies picking on some kid.

    You’re right, none of this is that important. I like being an AP and do not like it when they’ve kicked me out, but I get it. It’s my job to stay under their radar. If I was in their shoes, I’d do the same thing. Obviously, their business model isn’t to hand out money to APs.

    I’m still waiting for some AP to answer my very basic question: WHY DO GOVERNMENTS APPROVE CASINOS??? So far no one has ventured a guess. I’m wondering if an AP has even thought about this question before? APs spend so much time criticizing casinos, they probably haven’t even thought about why casinos exists in the first place.

    And I’m serious about sometime in the future visiting Reno and meeting up with you. I can’t give you a date now since it’s been busy here at work. And I’m not getting much done with all this posting. Lol

    Keep up the good work at zenzone!

    I wonder if Bobo, Forum Detective, is going to think this post is so good he’ll post it on other sites. I know Bobo likes to share my wisdom with other forums.
    Last edited by Bob21; 04-02-2019 at 02:23 PM.

  13. #33
    "And I’m serious about sometime in the future visiting Reno and meeting up with you. I can’t give you a date now since it’s been busy here at work. And I’m not getting much done with all this posting. Lol"



    Bob, I know Moses has been offering you free nights stays, you should take him up on it. After the trip, I want to hear all about the three nights you slept under a bridge with two mice inside a cardboard box.

  14. #34
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
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    Bob, I know Moses has been offering you free nights stays, you should take him up on it. After the trip, I want to hear all about the three nights you slept under a bridge with two mice inside a cardboard box.
    Moses would never put you in a cardboard box with two mice. Bosox and KJ. a/k/a Tricky and Dicky. Bosox will get a room with an excellent view of and on the freeway.

    Did you forget how to use Reply with Quote already?

  15. #35
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    "And I’m serious about sometime in the future visiting Reno and meeting up with you. I can’t give you a date now since it’s been busy here at work. And I’m not getting much done with all this posting. Lol"



    Bob, I know Moses has been offering you free nights stays, you should take him up on it. After the trip, I want to hear all about the three nights you slept under a bridge with two mice inside a cardboard box.
    When I go to Reno, you’ll be the first to know how my trip goes. Living with the homeless for a couple nights wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world. I’ve always enjoyed meeting people who are different than me. That’s one thing I like about casinos. Zee has mentioned this too. I get to interact with people I wouldn’t normally interact with at work and home. I truly enjoy my time when I’m in a casinos...and if I win some money that’s just gravy.

    There is more to life than money. Many homeless people understand this. There is a lot of wisdom in people less fortunate than us.

    Anyway, I do plan on making a trip out to Reno. What do you think about coming too? I think us three (Moses, you and I) would have a good time. I like your spunk. You don’t give up like so many APs. You believe in what you believe in, whatever that is...sometimes it’s hard to figure out. Lol.

    I’ll even fly you out there for free with my frequent flyer miles. And Moses will put you up for free under his bridge. And we can all eat for free out of garbage cans so it’ll be a no-cost trip for you.

    All kidding aside, I’m serious. What about joining Moses and me for a weekend in Reno? And I’m serious about comping your flight. I have so many frequent flier miles, I’ll never use them all anyway. Btw, I’m not extending this offer to your two deputies (tableplay and DGenBen).

    Even though I might not agree with you sometimes, you don’t play the typical AP games where if they don’t agree with you they threaten to put you on ignore or block, as if I care. Lol.

    Anyway, think about it and let me know what you decide.

  16. #36
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    "And I’m serious about sometime in the future visiting Reno and meeting up with you. I can’t give you a date now since it’s been busy here at work. And I’m not getting much done with all this posting. Lol"



    Bob, I know Moses has been offering you free nights stays, you should take him up on it. After the trip, I want to hear all about the three nights you slept under a bridge with two mice inside a cardboard box.
    When I go to Reno, you’ll be the first to know how my trip goes. Living with the homeless for a couple nights wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world. I’ve always enjoyed meeting people who are different than me. That’s one thing I like about casinos. Zee has mentioned this too. I get to interact with people I wouldn’t normally interact with at work and home. I truly enjoy my time when I’m in a casinos...and if I win some money that’s just gravy.

    There is more to life than money. Many homeless people understand this. There is a lot of wisdom in people less fortunate than us.

    Anyway, I do plan on making a trip out to Reno. What do you think about coming too? I think us three (Moses, you and I) would have a good time. I like your spunk. You don’t give up like so many APs. You believe in what you believe in, whatever that is...sometimes it’s hard to figure out. Lol.

    I’ll even fly you out there for free with my frequent flyer miles. And Moses will put you up for free under his bridge. And we can all eat for free out of garbage cans so it’ll be a no-cost trip for you.

    All kidding aside, I’m serious. What about joining Moses and me for a weekend in Reno? And I’m serious about comping your flight. I have so many frequent flier miles, I’ll never use them all anyway. Btw, I’m not extending this offer to your two deputies (tableplay and DGenBen).

    Even though I might not agree with you sometimes, you don’t play the typical AP games where if they don’t agree with you they threaten to put you on ignore or block, as if I care. Lol.

    Anyway, think about it and let me know what you decide.


    Thank you for the kind offer Bob but I must decline as I am not sure of your real motives. Could you be taking advantage of Moses generosity and kind demeanor? Sorry I feel you may have a another hidden motive for the trip and are looking for a diversion me or someone else to try to lay the blame on. Moses is only FRIENDS with UCFX aka Sandra and I am affraid you are going to make your move and it is not going to end well for you as your home flight will be very unconfortable. Considering the night before you would have literally been tarred and feathered. Other than that I think living three days like Frank Gallagher "William Macy in Shameless" in a real life situation would be quite interesting. I am only kidding I do not want to try that. If you do go for the trip before you retire for that first night "in that cardboard box" first make two stops. first to the grocery store and buy a case of dinty moore beef stew and then a package store and buy a case of Carlo Rossi 4L bottles and you will be a hit. Until of course you start acting like Joe Biden. Have fun.
    Last edited by BoSox; 04-03-2019 at 02:23 AM.

  17. #37
    No motive Bosox. Even if the trip goes haywire, I’ll still spend it playing bj. I like single deck and I’m sure they have some other games too so I won’t be bored.

    As far as living in a cardboard box under the bridge, I’m pretty sure Moses will splurge and get you his own box. It’s not like we’ll all be sleeping in the same box. I wouldn’t go either if I thought I had to share a box with you and Moses.

  18. #38
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    "And I’m serious about sometime in the future visiting Reno and meeting up with you. I can’t give you a date now since it’s been busy here at work. And I’m not getting much done with all this posting. Lol"



    Bob, I know Moses has been offering you free nights stays, you should take him up on it. After the trip, I want to hear all about the three nights you slept under a bridge with two mice inside a cardboard box.
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  19. #39
    Moses, interesting story about your highschool basketball career. I enjoyed those years. My basketball career pretty much topped out my 8th grade year in junior high. I made the 9th grade team but just road the bench. I had white man’s disease and I was short. Not a good combo for basketball but I really loved that sport.

    So where did you play your college ball? Was your college career pretty good? I know you said Nebraska, but I forget the name of the school. I went to every football and basketball game when I was in college. I also went to a lot of colleges besides Friends. You name it, I probably went there for a while. University of Arkansas, I was there. I played in quite a few pickup bb games with the football players. I could usually hold my own with football players, and it helped that I grew 6 inches in college. University of Chicago, I was there, but I didn’t play much basketball.

    By the way, in case you’re wondering, I kept my same name at every college I went to. I only developed this habit of having different handle since I got on forums. I’m not going to name all the colleges I went to be since Bobo, Forum Detective, will probably figure out who I am. Few people have gone to as many colleges as me. I went to colleges in 6 different states, but I only graduated from a couple of them.

    Anyway, your high school basketball career sounds pretty interesting. Was college the same?

  20. #40
    Interesting story Moses. I remember now, you had said Hastings. I’ve heard about it, but that’s about it. Yeah, I pretty much grew up in Wichita, from 4th grade through college. I spent a little time in New York when my dad was at Cornell. My dad had a lot of jobs, Baptist minister, university professor and for a while college president. The reason he was a preacher is because he couldn’t stay awake in church unless he was preaching. So he always had a small church on the side even when he was a full time professor.

    When I lived in New York, it was all baseball, but when we moved to Wichita it was basketball non-stop, and almost no baseball.

    As far as what I give lectures on at colleges, it’s on the whole evolution/creation debate. I’m a young earth creationist. I never mention the Bible or anything religious in my lectures...I only stick to the science aspect. You think APs get riled up over me defending casinos, you should see some of the students and professors when I present the case for creation. Since they usually don’t have a clue, they many times end up calling me names, just like liberals do when they can’t defend their position.

    So I’m used to being called names when I’m defending an unpopular position. I’ve found the name of choice with APs is “troll”. Whenever they don’t agree with someone, they immediately call them a troll. I find it funny, but do wish some could get a little more creative. Freightman was always a lot more creative with his name calling. And I’m not as sarcastic in my lectures as I am on these forums. I guess being on these forums brings out the smartass in me, and the fact that most APs don’t have much of a sense of humor sometimes has me going too far.

    Anyway, beleive it or not, I really enjoy this AP stuff. I respect the casinos, but I’m still trying to get their money. I’ve been pretty successful over the years, but I’m still mostly a red chipper. I enjoy the casino experience and the people I meet there. It gets me away from some of the eggheads I have to deal with at work.

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