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  1. #21
    Tipping dealers while you're undergoing AP activities can be construed as collusion. I advise avoid tipping them. But to each their own.

  2. #22
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Tipping dealers while you're undergoing AP activities can be construed as collusion. I advise avoid tipping them. But to each their own.
    Yes indeed.

  3. #23
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
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    I once offered a,security guard a tip who stood by as I was getting a big hand pay at Pechanga. They called in the security guard because it was an unruly crowd. The guard refused my tip.

    Now a question for Rob and kewlj: what's the difference between a cocktail waitress getting you a drink and a blackjack dealer dealing? Aren't they both doing their jobs? Why tip the waitress but not the dealer?
    First of all, I am real uncomfortable with all this "KJ and Rob's position" talk. Just seeing those words makes me think I need to reconsider .

    A security guard who provides extra security or escorts you to your car after a big win, should be tipped. THAT is NOT what I was talking about Alan. How many times have you walked into a casino, seen a security guard standing there and given him a 20? No one would do that because there is no reason to. And there is no reason to tip a dealer. They are dealing cards. Yet some how they feel like they deserve a share of winnings? If they want a share of winnings they should go to a casino and put in some risk.

    Now, in answer to your question Alan, I don't have an answer. I don't know who decided it was customary to tip foodservers. But the practice of tipping casino workers seems artificial to me. Seems like something casino owners came up with so they could push their responsibility off on the patrons. What if Walmart decided they would pay workers $2 and hour and customer tips should make up the difference? That's what this feels like to me.

  4. #24
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Now, in answer to your question Alan, I don't have an answer. I don't know who decided it was customary to tip foodservers. But the practice of tipping casino workers seems artificial to me. Seems like something casino owners came up with so they could push their responsibility off on the patrons. What if Walmart decided they would pay workers $2 and hour and customer tips should make up the difference? That's what this feels like to me.
    Bad answer kj, or should I say inconsistent logic. You’re still missing the point. Why do you say it is “customary to tip foodsevers”, and not dealers. If you lived in the real world, you’d notice it’s “customary” to tip both foodservers and dealers. You and your AP buddies live in your own world that makes up rules to fit what you want to do. That’s okay, but you should at least acknowledge you’re inconsistent.

    A consistent person would not tip foodservers and dealers, or they would tip both. A consistent person would try to abide by the standards of our society. I understand APs have different standards and do not think like normal people.

  5. #25
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    I'm not certain you get it mickey. I always tip cocktail servers, bartenders after ordering a drink, food servers, baggage handlers, valet etc. There is zero reason to tip casino workers who are simply doing their job. What you're saying is you worry that if you don't tip techs, floor people, cashiers etc. then that somehow translates into an AP being stopped from playing there. That is completely false. Especially at a place like CVI where I've received many hand pays while never tipping, and I'm accepted just like anyone else whenever I dine in their steakhouse.

    You AP's always complain about how tough it is to find small edges in the casinos. It only makes sense then to not just throw any money away, correct? After all, you're not getting anything out of it other than the pretend-scenarios presented here about feel-good justifications, right?

    Kew, my clock hands have been stuck in that position since the year 2000. Glad you agree on this one.
    Rob, sucker gamblers like you don't get thrown out for not tipping. They sadistically want you to hang around and get your ass kicked some more. I'm not talking blackjack here. The edge is so thin you can't afford to tip much. The poker room cash games are a prime example. Losing poker players that don't tip don't get the boot. They got the better players on their side that don't want them removed because they dump money in the game. But consistently winning poker players can't get away with not tipping. The dealers and the other players would just as soon see you gone and they will use any lame excuse to get rid of you.
    Last edited by mickeycrimm; 03-26-2019 at 05:39 PM.
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  6. #26
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Tipping dealers while you're undergoing AP activities can be construed as collusion. I advise avoid tipping them. But to each their own.
    Jbjb, do you really beleive this? Do you really believe if you threw the dealer just one white chip (one dollar) while you’re coloring up and leaving the table this might be construed as “collusion”? Is this really why APs don’t tip a dealer even one dollar?

    Recently at one of my local casinos (which is in a very poor town), I saw a young white AP win about $8,000 before he got backed off. He played with 3 different African American women dealers during this time. I was at the casino and saw it happen and know all the dealers well. After he was escorted out of the casino, I talked to two of the dealers and they said what they couldn’t beleive is this guy didn’t tip them even one dollar. At this casinos, about 2/3rd of they pay comes from tips. I don’t know if this is the case for all casinos. They couldn’t believe someone could be that cold hearted and insensitive to others.

    I’m sure this young guy felt proud of himself on how he took the casino for $8,000 in about 4 hours and then left without leaving even one dollar in tips. He also didn’t tip waitresses or anybody else. My guess is after this big score he bragged to his other AP buddies on how he won big and didn’t even leave a one dollar tip. By being on some of the bj forums, I’ve learned it’s a badge of honor for APs to extract money from a casino, without contributing anything to anybody.

    If this is part of the code of conduct for typical APs, I want no part of it. What I saw that day was sickening. There is more to life than seeing how much you can take from somebody or some industry without giving anything back.

  7. #27
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Now, in answer to your question Alan, I don't have an answer. I don't know who decided it was customary to tip foodservers. But the practice of tipping casino workers seems artificial to me. Seems like something casino owners came up with so they could push their responsibility off on the patrons. What if Walmart decided they would pay workers $2 and hour and customer tips should make up the difference? That's what this feels like to me.
    Bad answer kj, or should I say inconsistent logic. You’re still missing the point. Why do you say it is “customary to tip foodsevers”, and not dealers. If you lived in the real world, you’d notice it’s “customary” to tip both foodservers and dealers. You and your AP buddies live in your own world that makes up rules to fit what you want to do. That’s okay, but you should at least acknowledge you’re inconsistent.

    A consistent person would not tip foodservers and dealers, or they would tip both. A consistent person would try to abide by the standards of our society. I understand APs have different standards and do not think like normal people.
    I won't get into food servers but will tackle this from an on the casino floor perspective.

    Dealers- If the game is not dealt there would be no action. The casino would not have a means to attract customers. Casinos need to pay their dealers or get robots. Not the patrons responsibility to pay. They pay indirectly thru the house edge. If the casino is not making enough to keep the lights on then increase the house edge. The casino may lose customers, too bad, figure out the balance.

    Slot attendants- The customer should actually be compensated for the casino wasting their time waiting on a handpay. Have the machine print a voucher that has to be claimed at the cage. The paperwork can then be done at the customers timing request.

    Cocktail waitresses- The customer is requesting a complimentary service. The casino provides the drink and the customer pays for the runner. Sounds like a fair arrangement to me and a nice perk.
    As soon as a casino is printing vouchers and other nonsense such as that, in my mind they can figure out how to fund the fulfillment of the obligation they created for themselves in its entirety. I think the customer no longer has the responsibility to carry any part of the service burden as it is no longer complimentary. The customer already fulfilled their obligation and product is due.
    FraudJ's word is worth less than the prop cash in Singer's safe...RIP

  8. #28
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Tipping dealers while you're undergoing AP activities can be construed as collusion. I advise avoid tipping them. But to each their own.
    Jbjb, do you really beleive this? Do you really believe if you threw the dealer just one white chip (one dollar) while you’re coloring up and leaving the table this might be construed as “collusion”? Is this really why APs don’t tip a dealer even one dollar?

    Recently at one of my local casinos (which is in a very poor town), I saw a young white AP win about $8,000 before he got backed off. He played with 3 different African American women dealers during this time. I was at the casino and saw it happen and know all the dealers well. After he was escorted out of the casino, I talked to two of the dealers and they said what they couldn’t beleive is this guy didn’t tip them even one dollar. At this casinos, about 2/3rd of they pay comes from tips. I don’t know if this is the case for all casinos. They couldn’t believe someone could be that cold hearted and insensitive to others.

    I’m sure this young guy felt proud of himself on how he took the casino for $8,000 in about 4 hours and then left without leaving even one dollar in tips. He also didn’t tip waitresses or anybody else. My guess is after this big score he bragged to his other AP buddies on how he won big and didn’t even leave a one dollar tip. By being on some of the bj forums, I’ve learned it’s a badge of honor for APs to extract money from a casino, without contributing anything to anybody.

    If this is part of the code of conduct for typical APs, I want no part of it. What I saw that day was sickening. There is more to life than seeing how much you can take from somebody or some industry without giving anything back.
    Are those dealers going to send him out the door with a $100 bill when he loses 8k on the next session? How about a 20 spot?
    Dude get real.
    FraudJ's word is worth less than the prop cash in Singer's safe...RIP

  9. #29
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Kewlj and Rob, I am not going to debate your tipping policy because I believe it's a personal decision for everyone to make.

    My purpose in responding is to tell kewlj that twice I tipped a technician in a casino.

    The first time was when I was dealt a royal on a 50 play machine at Mandalay Bay. The casino manager called in three techs to take the machine apart because the manager didn't believe the jackpot was real. After it was over I gave the lead tech $40 and I said thank you and please get lunch on me.

    Second time was also at Mandalay Bay. I was playing some deuces wild game and was dealt 55552 which paid $800. I held all five cards but the deuce fell off. I told a floor person who called a manager and a tech was sent over to open the machine and play back the hand to show I was indeed dealt 55552. I tipped the tech $20.

    I once offered a,security guard a tip who stood by as I was getting a big hand pay at Pechanga. They called in the security guard because it was an unruly crowd. The guard refused my tip.

    Now a question for Rob and kewlj: what's the difference between a cocktail waitress getting you a drink and a blackjack dealer dealing? Aren't they both doing their jobs? Why tip the waitress but not the dealer?
    Here's the difference Alan. I'm basically asking a cocktail server for personal service when I order a drink, even if it's a water. At the bj table, I'm asking for nothing from the dealer.

    I can only guess why you would tip a slot tech. You are the exact type of person casinos love to see--someone who gets elated and giddy over a recent win, enough so that you will hand out cash to any employee who interacts with you as you come down from your gambling high. Think about it. If the mailman delivers today's mail and after he leaves you find you just won a new car, by the time he returns tomorrow the "high of winning" has worn off and you might say hello. But if you opened that winning letter as he took a 3-minute break on your front steps, you'd fly out there with a poorly thought out tip.

    It's ALL about sensibility, followed by a good dose of discipline.

    It also makes no sense that AP's become afraid of their own shadows if they don't tip. There's nothing to that theory....nothing at all.

  10. #30
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Tipping dealers while you're undergoing AP activities can be construed as collusion. I advise avoid tipping them. But to each their own.
    Jbjb, do you really beleive this? Do you really believe if you threw the dealer just one white chip (one dollar) while you’re coloring up and leaving the table this might be construed as “collusion”? Is this really why APs don’t tip a dealer even one dollar?

    Recently at one of my local casinos (which is in a very poor town), I saw a young white AP win about $8,000 before he got backed off. He played with 3 different African American women dealers during this time. I was at the casino and saw it happen and know all the dealers well. After he was escorted out of the casino, I talked to two of the dealers and they said what they couldn’t beleive is this guy didn’t tip them even one dollar. At this casinos, about 2/3rd of they pay comes from tips. I don’t know if this is the case for all casinos. They couldn’t believe someone could be that cold hearted and insensitive to others.

    I’m sure this young guy felt proud of himself on how he took the casino for $8,000 in about 4 hours and then left without leaving even one dollar in tips. He also didn’t tip waitresses or anybody else. My guess is after this big score he bragged to his other AP buddies on how he won big and didn’t even leave a one dollar tip. By being on some of the bj forums, I’ve learned it’s a badge of honor for APs to extract money from a casino, without contributing anything to anybody.

    If this is part of the code of conduct for typical APs, I want no part of it. What I saw that day was sickening. There is more to life than seeing how much you can take from somebody or some industry without giving anything back.
    Are those dealers going to send him out the door with a $100 bill when he loses 8k on the next session? How about a 20 spot?
    Dude get real.
    Here’s what you and your AP buddies are missing. A casino is in the entertainment space. People go to casinos to be entertained....they don’t go there to make a living. I understand that’s not the case for APs, but no one said APs had to do this for a living. They could find a real job and contribute to society.

    APs should at least be smart enough to understand why casinos exists...it’s to provide negative EV games for the purpose of entertainment. Most people understand that. I’ve known that since I was probably 3 or 4 years old that the “house always wins”, and that every game in the casino has a house edge.

    Even when customers lose, most customers still tip dealers. It’s no different than a foodserver. At the end of the meal, a person pays the check and loses some money but still tips the foodserver.

    I’m still waiting for a decent answer on why APs tip foodservers and not dealers.

    Get real dude. You’ve been APing so long, you’ve forget why casinos exist.
    Last edited by Bob21; 03-26-2019 at 06:09 PM.

  11. #31
    Bob21 wrote:

    "If this is part of the code of conduct for typical APs, I want no part of it. What I saw that day was sickening. There is more to life than seeing how much you can take from somebody or some industry without giving anything back."



    Bob, you are missing out on some of the finer things in life like grabbing your chips in a wongout situation. Especially after a really nice shoe and you are about a foot out of your chair turning around and suddenly you cannot help but hear the loud dealer's angry monotone:

    "thank you very much, sir" The first time it might temporarily stop you in your tracks, after a while you just get used to those type of things and just continue walking. Of course if you really want the full effect you got to be betting much heavier than you are.

    Bob, if you really must know if I left a tip "what I considered reasonable" THE DEALER WOULD BE EVEN MORE INSULTED.
    Last edited by BoSox; 03-26-2019 at 06:37 PM.

  12. #32
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post

    Jbjb, do you really beleive this? Do you really believe if you threw the dealer just one white chip (one dollar) while you’re coloring up and leaving the table this might be construed as “collusion”? Is this really why APs don’t tip a dealer even one dollar?

    Recently at one of my local casinos (which is in a very poor town), I saw a young white AP win about $8,000 before he got backed off. He played with 3 different African American women dealers during this time. I was at the casino and saw it happen and know all the dealers well. After he was escorted out of the casino, I talked to two of the dealers and they said what they couldn’t beleive is this guy didn’t tip them even one dollar. At this casinos, about 2/3rd of they pay comes from tips. I don’t know if this is the case for all casinos. They couldn’t believe someone could be that cold hearted and insensitive to others.

    I’m sure this young guy felt proud of himself on how he took the casino for $8,000 in about 4 hours and then left without leaving even one dollar in tips. He also didn’t tip waitresses or anybody else. My guess is after this big score he bragged to his other AP buddies on how he won big and didn’t even leave a one dollar tip. By being on some of the bj forums, I’ve learned it’s a badge of honor for APs to extract money from a casino, without contributing anything to anybody.

    If this is part of the code of conduct for typical APs, I want no part of it. What I saw that day was sickening. There is more to life than seeing how much you can take from somebody or some industry without giving anything back.
    Are those dealers going to send him out the door with a $100 bill when he loses 8k on the next session? How about a 20 spot?
    Dude get real.
    Here’s what you and your AP buddies are missing. A casino is in the entertainment space. People go to casinos to be entertained....they don’t go there to make a living. I understand that’s not the case for APs, but no one said APs had to do this for a living. They could find a real job and contribute to society.

    APs should at least be smart enough to understand why casinos exists...it’s to provide negative EV games for the purpose of entertainment. Most people understand that. I’ve known that since I was probably 3 or 4 years old that the “house always wins”, and that every game in the casino has a house edge.

    Even when customers lose, most customers still tip dealers. It’s no different than a foodserver. At the end of the meal, a person pays the check and loses some money but still tips the foodserver.

    I’m still waiting for a decent answer on why APs tip foodservers and not dealers.

    Get real dude. You’ve been APing so long, you’ve forget why casinos exist.
    I'll provide a very easy answer as to why people tip food servers and not dealers: while dining, people are served something called FOOD and DRINKS because they ordered them. And throughout the meal, you can ask the server for things and they will be brought.

    WTF does a dealer do other than deal the cards? You get no different service from this stiff than you get from the blackjack machine. Making believe smiles and kind, encouraging words are worth something is ludicrous.

    Again, it's ALL about intimidation. Casino personnel are well aware that the vast majority of people gambling in their establishments have no stomach for being intimidated. And what's the instant cure for that weakness? Yup--tips! BTW, tipping has zero to do with the comps you get. That should be obvious.

  13. #33
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Here's the difference Alan. I'm basically asking a cocktail server for personal service when I order a drink, even if it's a water. At the bj table, I'm asking for nothing from the dealer.
    Rob, I fail to see the distinction. Both the dealer and server are employees of the casino giving you something you want. In the case of the sever, a drink. In the case of the dealer, some cards. You could make the argument that the casino should pay the full wage of the server, just as they should pay the full wage of the dealer. Why are you making the distinction?

    In our culture, both the dealer and server’s wages are partially paid by the customers. It’s only the APs who try to make a distinction between the two.

    I travel to Japan quite a bit and have experienced a culture that is more in line with your thinking. Tipping is considered almost an insult over there. The employer pays the full wages of all jobs, even service jobs that are typically tip jobs over here. If you stay in a high-end hotel, you should not tip anybody, even the people who help you with your bags. They will refuse it if you try to tip them.

    Using your logic, do you feel the need to tip at McDonald’s or other fast food restaurants when you get a drink? You said when servers - I assume that means any server - gives you a drink you should tip.

    What I’m trying to point out is some jobs in our country are considered tip jobs (where some of the pay comes from tips) and some aren’t. Tipping a McDonald employee is not considered a tip job. I didn't make the rules. I just try to live by normal customary rules in our country.

    I understand most APs have their own set of rules that don’t go along with the mainstream. It usually involves keeping more money for themselves and not tipping...and then finding some convoluted logic to justify their actions. APs don’t want to admit they are just cheap.

  14. #34
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    I'll provide a very easy answer as to why people tip food servers and not dealers:.
    Regardless of your stand on tipping dealers, this is an incorrect statement. Most people do tip dealers. It’s the APs that don’t beleive in tipping dealers, or many times anybody else.

    I don’t know about Vegas, but I know in my area about 2/3rd of the pay for a dealer comes from the customers. If people didn’t tip dealers, 2/3rd of their pay wouldn’t be coming from customers. It’s that simple.

    I think this is the case in most casinos throughout the country. The majority of dealers pay comes from customers, just like the majority of waitresses pay comes from customers. APs can make a distinction between dealers and servers, but the general public does not.

  15. #35
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    Bob21 wrote:

    "If this is part of the code of conduct for typical APs, I want no part of it. What I saw that day was sickening. There is more to life than seeing how much you can take from somebody or some industry without giving anything back."



    Bob, you are missing out on some of the finer things in life like grabbing your chips in a wongout situation. Especially after a really nice shoe and you are about a foot out of your chair turning around and suddenly you cannot help but hear the loud dealer's angry monotone:

    "thank you very much, sir" The first time it might temporarily stop you in your tracks, after a while you just get used to those type of things and just continue walking. Of course if you really want the full effect you got to be betting much heavier than you are.

    Bob, if you really must know if I left a tip "what I considered reasonable" THE DEALER WOULD BE EVEN MORE INSULTED.
    I agree with you here Bosox. Nothing irrates me more than a dealer pimping for a tip. I get where you’re coming from. When this happens, I go into lock down mode, and don’t tip anything. No dealer has ever intimidated me into tipping.

    Unless you call a good looking dealer with big tatas flirting with me. Yeah, those dealers have “intimidated” me into a tip or two...or three.

  16. #36
    I have a hunch that the AP anti-tipping culture goes back to card counters who simply can't afford to tip anything like what a normal player making the same sized bets would.

    I also haven't yet read an argument for tipping waiters but not tipping dealers that doesn't rely on invented semantical distinctions.

    Finally, though I know at least one renowned AP who is a hardcore anti-tipper (although he's never a big player AFAIK so it's really a moot point), the ones I know personally all tip.

    Now being a relatively stingy tipper is another matter entirely. I'm referring to people flat out not toking.

  17. #37
    Waiters/Waitresses might make $2.15/ho. It is generally understood that they will rely on tips to achieve an above minimum wage compensation. As far as I know, casino personnel make at least minimum wage.

    While not an AP, this is a simple reason why individuals tip a waiter/waitress and not another individual.

    I coach HS basketball with a recently retired postman. He believes in tips. I do not believe in tips for federal employees. He asked if my mail deliveries were altered. I replied, like I care. UPS, Fed Ex, and Amazon delivers to my doorstep without requesting a tip. I know it will arrive on a certain date. Mail does not matter unless it is a timely bill.

    I understand those who will tip, based on enhancing their situation.

    This is no different than a professional expecting a significant part of their income on a Christmas bonus. The individual agreed to that income. Extra money is not guaranteed.

    What bothers me the most is that I agree with Kewj and Rob. My statistics imply that I will eventually end up in a menage a trois in a RV. Not pleased.

  18. #38
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Tipping dealers while you're undergoing AP activities can be construed as collusion. I advise avoid tipping them. But to each their own.
    Jbjb, do you really beleive this? Do you really believe if you threw the dealer just one white chip (one dollar) while you’re coloring up and leaving the table this might be construed as “collusion”? Is this really why APs don’t tip a dealer even one dollar?

    Recently at one of my local casinos (which is in a very poor town), I saw a young white AP win about $8,000 before he got backed off. He played with 3 different African American women dealers during this time. I was at the casino and saw it happen and know all the dealers well. After he was escorted out of the casino, I talked to two of the dealers and they said what they couldn’t beleive is this guy didn’t tip them even one dollar. At this casinos, about 2/3rd of they pay comes from tips. I don’t know if this is the case for all casinos. They couldn’t believe someone could be that cold hearted and insensitive to others.

    I’m sure this young guy felt proud of himself on how he took the casino for $8,000 in about 4 hours and then left without leaving even one dollar in tips. He also didn’t tip waitresses or anybody else. My guess is after this big score he bragged to his other AP buddies on how he won big and didn’t even leave a one dollar tip. By being on some of the bj forums, I’ve learned it’s a badge of honor for APs to extract money from a casino, without contributing anything to anybody.

    If this is part of the code of conduct for typical APs, I want no part of it. What I saw that day was sickening. There is more to life than seeing how much you can take from somebody or some industry without giving anything back.
    I know it as fact. Casinos will look for any excuse to find a way to treat an AP as a criminals. But if you wish to be so naive, so be it.

  19. #39
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by MaxPen View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post

    Jbjb, do you really beleive this? Do you really believe if you threw the dealer just one white chip (one dollar) while you’re coloring up and leaving the table this might be construed as “collusion”? Is this really why APs don’t tip a dealer even one dollar?

    Recently at one of my local casinos (which is in a very poor town), I saw a young white AP win about $8,000 before he got backed off. He played with 3 different African American women dealers during this time. I was at the casino and saw it happen and know all the dealers well. After he was escorted out of the casino, I talked to two of the dealers and they said what they couldn’t beleive is this guy didn’t tip them even one dollar. At this casinos, about 2/3rd of they pay comes from tips. I don’t know if this is the case for all casinos. They couldn’t believe someone could be that cold hearted and insensitive to others.

    I’m sure this young guy felt proud of himself on how he took the casino for $8,000 in about 4 hours and then left without leaving even one dollar in tips. He also didn’t tip waitresses or anybody else. My guess is after this big score he bragged to his other AP buddies on how he won big and didn’t even leave a one dollar tip. By being on some of the bj forums, I’ve learned it’s a badge of honor for APs to extract money from a casino, without contributing anything to anybody.

    If this is part of the code of conduct for typical APs, I want no part of it. What I saw that day was sickening. There is more to life than seeing how much you can take from somebody or some industry without giving anything back.
    Are those dealers going to send him out the door with a $100 bill when he loses 8k on the next session? How about a 20 spot?
    Dude get real.
    Here’s what you and your AP buddies are missing. A casino is in the entertainment space. People go to casinos to be entertained....they don’t go there to make a living. I understand that’s not the case for APs, but no one said APs had to do this for a living. They could find a real job and contribute to society.

    APs should at least be smart enough to understand why casinos exists...it’s to provide negative EV games for the purpose of entertainment. Most people understand that. I’ve known that since I was probably 3 or 4 years old that the “house always wins”, and that every game in the casino has a house edge.

    Even when customers lose, most customers still tip dealers. It’s no different than a foodserver. At the end of the meal, a person pays the check and loses some money but still tips the foodserver.

    I’m still waiting for a decent answer on why APs tip foodservers and not dealers.

    Get real dude. You’ve been APing so long, you’ve forget why casinos exist.
    I don't know 1 person who goes for "entertainment." They're all there, whether AP or civilian to win money.

  20. #40
    Originally Posted by Deech View Post
    Waiters/Waitresses might make $2.15/ho.
    Blame the feds for this.

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