When a casino opens in an area where they are the first then look for bankruptcies in the town to go up about 1500% the first year. And about a third of the women that the town sends to prison will be there for gambling related offenses like embezzlement and theft. Stories in the local newspaper along the lines of "Prominent doctor's wife gambles away their fortune" will start appearing.
"More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ
I agree. I get it...I get the downside of what happens with casinos. Everybody knows this. You'd have to be living under a rock to not know this. We shouldn’t be debating this, unless you're from Pluto and don’t know what a casino is.
What you’re both missing is this isn’t the fault of the casino. The casinos are doing what they have been commissioned to do by the State. You should direct your angry at our government for allowing casinos to exists...not the casinos.
Casinos exist as an extension of our government to collect revenue for our government. They are run by private businesses, as an extension of our government. Think of it as a voluntary tax program or a tax program for the stupid, who are usually the poor and vulnerable. This is why conservatives don’t believe in casinos....they hurt the most most vulnerable in our society.
The point being your anger should be directed at our government, not casinos. It makes no sense to be angry at an industry that is doing exactly what it’s business model calls, which is to provide negative EV games for the purpose of entertainment. This isn’t my take on it...this is our governments take on it. It’s the same way they promote lotteries.
This is what I don’t understand about APs. They are all the same, pointing out to me how awful casino’s are. On BJTF someone posted about 10 articles showing me how awful and descructive casino’s are. Ok, I get it. Then if that’s the case, why aren’t APs banning together and trying to get them shut down. How does APing hurt casinos? How does APing help the people APs are so concerned about. Hint. It doesn’t.
Being an AP means your complacent in what casinos do. It gets back to inconsistency. APs are some of the most hypocritical people I know. They always criticize an industry, but do nothing about it. Making money in a casino is adding NO value to society, and it’s NOT helping anybody except the AP. Since gambling is a zero sum game, the only value being created in a casino is entertainment, which is what a casinos does. APs are creating NO value by being in casinos and making money. In fact, they are extracting value when they’re in a casino, since they are taking funds from our government. I get they are doing this legally.
Again, casinos are fulfilling their mission that our government has asked of them. They primary purpose is to provide revenue to the State. And they have done this in spades, by contributing billions in revenue to our state and local governments. If you don’t like this, then you should take it up with our government and try to get casinos shut down.
I know my take on this is not a popular one with APs, but it’s the correct one.
"More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ
I get it. I think everybody gets that. I come from a conservative background. My parents never stepped foot in a casino and were 100% against all types of gambling, which isn’t surprising since my dad was a Baptist minister. My views are different. I like to gamble.
My point is I wish APs would quite pointing out the evils of casinos. I think everybody understands the downsides of what happens when a casino opens in an area.
A casino only opens in a new state or local area because the government allows it. And the government allows it to generate more revenue. It’s that simple. I wish all the people who are upset with casinos would direct their angry at our government and not casinos. Why blame an industry for doing what it’s supposed to do?
You clearly don't know what the word "average" means nor the fact that when doing math, you take positive numbers and subtract away negative numbers. That total, also called a "sum", is then divided by some other number, in KJ's case, 50 (or 52) for the number of weeks. The result of that division process is called a "quotient" which is also the average.
Here's an example: Someone goes up to you and says, "Shalom, my name is Anal m'Endelson. I played at Caesars Palace twice a week for the last 3 years. I hit two royal flushes on $25 denom VP for $100k each. Even though I had big wins, I've already lost $350k there overall. My average loss is a little over $1k per trip or $2k per week, even though I've lost significantly more than that on a single trip."
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Putting aside your wise ass anti semitic remark, what you presented as an explanation is far different from playing 33 casinos with short hit snd run sessions with bets that fly under the radar of $500 each, that also recover from six months losing streaks and $29,000 one week losses.
Kewlj brought the skepticism upon himself.
By the way, RS, not only are you an anti semitic pig but the numbers you use in your example are wrong. But it was a nice try sticking up for your AP buddy.
No, the bottom line is the same. Kewlj may have indeed won $85,000 a year betting up to $400 a hand at bkackjack... but the overly dramatic story of hit and runs at 33 different casinos and recovering from big loss swings while flying under the radar for 15 years is just too much for reasonable minds to absorb.
Yes, I see how this works. 51 visits and you still claim to fly under the radar?
As I told you... after just three visits to Suncoast and Red Rock they knew who I was and even the cocktail waitresses knew I had cranberry juice without ice.
But you, playing green and black up to $400 a hand are unknown, while I'm playing $5 and $10 craps gets tagged?
I won a match-bet (or freebet i don't remember) for like $400 back in the day, on craps. Asked for black, dealer said it's customary to tip after a big win (dafaq?). I inquired more about what he meant....so of course, I asked him to break down a few blacks for me so I had a few greens and many whites & reds. I just took them all to the cage.
Of course there are many dealers who are just straight up awful (ie: for tip hustling or not being appreciative of tips that are small in proportion to session win or average bet). If you're going to make an argument against tipping for that, then go ahead. I have no problem there. Just don't try to make up some other excuse like, "They're just doing their job that they are getting paid to do" or some other nonsense, because IIRC, you say that you tip other people who are also getting paid to do their job (cocktail waitresses, restaurant servers, bartenders at the Phoenix etc.).
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What part was anti-Semitic? And what numbers are wrong? I've been up for a while now, but my calculator is still showing 350000/(52*3*2) = 1121...
Alan, nothing about your mind is "reasonable", it's just crazy to think the way you think. You're constantly wrong on gambling and AP stuff and, as succinctly as I can describe it: You just don't get it and you never will.
Please do not call me a pig. In my culture, we cherish them because they are very tasty. Please don't be disrespectful. Thank you in advance.
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First off. Kudos to KJ for going to the trouble of listing his numbers. As a working citizen in the corporate world, there are hundreds of "atta boys" which mean nothing. But 3 "aw, fucks" and you're out the door.
KJs Winning days: 650, 837.50, 1575, 600, 425, 1875, 2425, 225, 537.50, 1200, 3375, 112.50, 475, 700, 825, 662.50, 275, 700, 1112.50, 12.50, 825, 350, 1075, 262.50, 3350, 512.50, 450, 275, 400
Since Bob 21 seems to know the inside view of casinos, he may have a more concrete view from their perspective.
From a numbers perspective and blackjack playing standpoint, I'm told that losing days don't matter. From a casino point of view, that is what is suppose to happen. Hence, the atta boys. However, there are 9 winning days exceeding $1,000 over the course of one year. There are definitely 3 aw fucks and quite possibly 5. A tight casino there are likely 9 days.
So we still have $93k to go with no mention of the $29k losing week and $8,800 losing day. But let's take the minimum assumption of just 3 aw fucks a year. That is 30 over the course of 10 years in just 1 casino. With such detailed records, it would be interesting to know what constitutes his start and stoppage of play and length of session.
Also, the two largest winning days out of 51 visits is the majority of his profit for the entire year. I doubt he zoomed in and out on those two days without being noticed and someone getting their ass chewed.
I thought you were consistent Bob, it turns out you are not. Look what you just said in the above quote but earlier in post #79 you wrote:
"That’s why I have a policy to NEVER take too much from a casino in any one month and always tip. I know the casinos are the ones adding the value to our society through jobs, entertainment for the people who play responsible (which is the majority), and revenue for the state and local governments."
If the MAJORITY of players are RESPONSIBLE in their gaming budgets how the fuck are all these small towns and cities economies devistated and ruined Bob? You can't have it both ways.
Digest this RS. I've highlighted your anti semitic remark and just one example of your incorrect numbers.
"Shalom, my name is Anal m'Endelson. I played at Caesars Palace twice a week for the last 3 years. I hit two royal flushes on $25 denom VP for $100k each. Even though I had big wins, I've already lost $350k there overall. My average loss is a little over $1k per trip or $2k per week, even though I've lost significantly more than that on a single trip."
But why get tied up with this. Let's focus on what's important which is kewlj's claim. Sure he might have won $85,000 a year... and why not? But it's his entire package of claims that isn't reasonable including and perhaps the most doubtful of all that he FLIES UNDER THE RADAR.
Sorry, RS, but it's just too much to handle, don't you think? After all, you were a dealer, right? Would you start to recognize the same patron after three visits, or four? How about a green and black chip bettor after 51 visits in a year? How about a green and black chip bettor after 51 visits over 15 years?
Are you really calling me unreasonable?
By the way, the glazed ham at the Suncoast breakfast buffet (carved to order) was surprisingly tasty.
Perhaps he’s careful about switching shifts and personnel he’s playing in front of within those shifts rather than going at 7am on a weekday with a name tag saying, “Hi, I’m Alan.”
Or maybe there’s plenty that are familiar with him but don’t really give a shit, so he tries to play more in front of those types.
Mickey Crimm is a poser pro. He rides around in a moto-wheelchair telling slot hustlers he's Mickey Crimm, and some are in awe of a "forum legend" and show him the plays.
Bob, to put it another way, Moses the person you idolize " only using a false perception" and makes all those numerous stupid post, do you think he may be just wired a little too tight? With, would you say, a little bit of pent up anger and hostility from personal matters that has been lingering far too long? Subsequently he is trying to take it out on blackjack players who are not responsible for all his poor choices in life.
Bosox, how is what I’m saying inconsistent? I’m not following you. Please explain.
If everybody played the casino games in a negative EV (the way the games were intended to be played), then state and local governments would have more revenue. That’s a fact. Why? Because casinos would pay more tax on their profits.
The reality is APs have found a way to play these games in a positive EV way and extract revenue from casinos (and thus revenue from state and local governments).
In addition, the reality is there are not that many APs so casinos can absorb that lost and it doesn’t devastate their cites and town’s economies. But these cites and towns would be better off if APs didn’t exists.
This is why I’ve called APs parasites and I include myself in that description when I’m APing. We are PARASITES, living off the host (casinos), which is feeding money to our government. The casino host (or government) can support a couple parasites, but they can’t support a lot of parasites.
It’s similar to people on welfare. Our economy is still fairly robust even thought we’re supporting quite a few people on welfare. People on welfare contribute nothing to the economy, similar to APs. This is not a statement against welfare. But when the number on welfare becomes too big, economies collapse. Look at what is happening in Europe, specifically Greece. Greece’s economy collapsed because the whole country became parasites, and had to be bailed out by the EU.
This is one reason I’m against business models like BJA that recruit and train more parasites (think APs). Just as our country doesn’t need more people on welfare, our country definitely doesn’t need more APs.
[QUOTE=BoSox;85605]Yes. It is bizarre.
Quite frankly if you see someone three times there's a high chance you'll recognize them again. This is one of the principles of advertising. There is a certain tipping point when something registers. In TV, a visual medium, it's three times. In radio, it's 8 times.
I put the question to RS. I'd like to see his answer. I'm sure he'll tell us he recognizes a player after three visits.
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