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    I am going to repost this video, posted on a blackjack site today. I am not vouching for the credibility of this guy and it seems like some of the specific incidents he mentioned are more than 10 years old. But it is worth a watch and worth remembering that Indian Casinos, cruise ship casinos, and casino in some other countries have zero or practically zero oversight, which can be a very dangerous thing for any player, AP or not.



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    While this there was no mention of ASM cheating that has been discussed in the last year or two, there is some tie in.

    Throughout most of the video he talked about shoes with very high counts where the high cards never came out (presumably behind the cut card) . But towards the end he also talked about shoes where high cards came out right at the beginning. He called these walk-away shoes, which is exactly what a player should do. lol

    But these two scenarios are also the result of clumping. A high card clump which can and does occur naturally, will result in both the scenarios. If the high card clump is cut after the cut card you will see a high count, where the high value cards never come out. BUT if the high card clump is cut into play, especially near the beginning, you will have all those 10 cards come out early (resulting in a lot of pushes) and then the remainder of the shoe strongly favors the house. Both scenarios strongly favor the house. So if you see these two things which do occur naturally, occurring at a rate that seems unnatural to you....Beware.

    So like I said, this clumping can and does occur naturally. But I believe certain models of ASM have the ability, maybe slightly modified, to achieve this clumping, more than naturally. I recently saw mention that their is a ASM model that is only sold to Indian casinos, and jurisdictions outside the United States to avoid dealing with some of the legitimate casino commissions. Now I know, people will call me names and stuff, but the key is something I say earlier and people like Stealth said on another forum. And experienced player can just tell when something isn't right. Trust that.

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    The guy is full of it.

    P.S. we've played in those same casinos and never had nor seen a problem.

  4. #4
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    The guy is full of it.

    P.S. we've played in those same casinos and never had nor seen a problem.
    Yeah, but you and your team are hole-carding. Even if the shoes were shorted, what you do will still give you a significant advantage, so would you be looking for or even notice such a scenario?

    Cruise ships and up until sometime in the last few years, that is all Florida had, sail out into international waters, where they are subject to no one. This has been known for a very long time and many, many, many accusations against such cruise ship casinos and not just by AP's but regular players.

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    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    While this there was no mention of ASM cheating that has been discussed in the last year or two, there is some tie in.

    Throughout most of the video he talked about shoes with very high counts where the high cards never came out (presumably behind the cut card) . But towards the end he also talked about shoes where high cards came out right at the beginning. He called these walk-away shoes, which is exactly what a player should do. lol

    But these two scenarios are also the result of clumping. A high card clump which can and does occur naturally, will result in both the scenarios. If the high card clump is cut after the cut card you will see a high count, where the high value cards never come out. BUT if the high card clump is cut into play, especially near the beginning, you will have all those 10 cards come out early (resulting in a lot of pushes) and then the remainder of the shoe strongly favors the house. Both scenarios strongly favor the house. So if you see these two things which do occur naturally, occurring at a rate that seems unnatural to you....Beware.

    So like I said, this clumping can and does occur naturally. But I believe certain models of ASM have the ability, maybe slightly modified, to achieve this clumping, more than naturally. I recently saw mention that their is a ASM model that is only sold to Indian casinos, and jurisdictions outside the United States to avoid dealing with some of the legitimate casino commissions. Now I know, people will call me names and stuff, but the key is something I say earlier and people like Stealth said on another forum. And experienced player can just tell when something isn't right. Trust that.
    Indian casino get machine counterfeit. Real manufacturer do nothing punch salt.

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    Same thing is happening all over Vegas, just a matter of time until the truth comes out. Just ask the plaza downtown as well as half the strip. I literally have not won ONE single shoe at plaza on the main floor. Literally not ONE. The fucking dirty ass mob infested plaza literally broadcasts the 'MOB' on their casino banners all over their casino. The only shoe i've won there was in the party pit hahahhaa.

    KJ it's also time to call you out, because your whole vegas career and atlantic city bullshit is all a fraud. Your story is beyond exaggerated and you were bankrolled when you got here by some old guy. You don't play the hours you claim to play either. There's so many posts that just reveal you don't know what you're talking about from anyone who actually plays this game as well who actually plays vegas. I read a post you claimed to have 12-14 five figure days per year HAHAHA. At your betting level, that's almost impossible for that to even happen one time. I used to bet 2x250(500) and i never had one trip where i lost 5 figures. The most I ever lost was 7500-8k which happened only twice, but let's just say had i continued playing it would've been a 5 figure loss, but 12-14 A YEAR? Give me a break dude. You mostly bet one hand of 400 or so, no way in hell does that happen 12-14 times a year. There's also no way in hell you play the amount of hours you claim to play by doing short sessions.

    Im just sick of this whole fradulent community as well as this mob infested city. I wouldn't be surprised if im the most accomplished counter that's ever lived.

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    Originally Posted by ZenKinG View Post
    Same thing is happening all over Vegas, just a matter of time until the truth comes out. Just ask the plaza downtown as well as half the strip. I literally have not won ONE single shoe at plaza on the main floor. Literally not ONE. The fucking dirty ass mob infested plaza literally broadcasts the 'MOB' on their casino banners all over their casino. The only shoe i've won there was in the party pit hahahhaa.

    KJ it's also time to call you out, because your whole vegas career and atlantic city bullshit is all a fraud. Your story is beyond exaggerated and you were bankrolled when you got here by some old guy. You don't play the hours you claim to play either. There's so many posts that just reveal you don't know what you're talking about from anyone who actually plays this game as well who actually plays vegas. I read a post you claimed to have 12-14 five figure days per year HAHAHA. At your betting level, that's almost impossible for that to even happen one time. I used to bet 2x250(500) and i never had one trip where i lost 5 figures. The most I ever lost was 7500-8k which happened only twice, but let's just say had i continued playing it would've been a 5 figure loss, but 12-14 A YEAR? Give me a break dude. You mostly bet one hand of 400 or so, no way in hell does that happen 12-14 times a year. There's also no way in hell you play the amount of hours you claim to play by doing short sessions.

    Im just sick of this whole fradulent community as well as this mob infested city. I wouldn't be surprised if im the most accomplished counter that's ever lived.
    For real Zenking? You are going to attack me? It is rather obvious from your 3 posts in the last few minutes that you have experienced some negative variance today...I guess at The Plaza, and are doing your usual flying off the handle venting bullshit. I have tried to be supportive of you and even make excuses for your venting, but the longer it goes on and the more you fly off the handle, the more it becomes clear you are not cut out for full-time card counting AP. You just can't mentally and emotionally handle the swings without lashing out at someone.

    While there is no real reason for me to address any of your ridiculous charges, I am going to.

    1.) While 2x250 is the same as 1x$500 in terms of EV and longterm win expectation, is is NOT the same in terms of variance. Not even close because so often you win 1 and lose 1 when playing 2 hands.

    2.) while it is true that $400 is a max bet that I employ often, probably my most frequent max bet (staying under the key $500 threshold), I employ quite a number of different spreads, including max bets for different circumstances. When I am playing the bigger strip casinos, or even a couple of the higher end station properties, I will go above that $500 threshold, especially during busier times, like weekends. $600 and $800 max bets are common for me during these times, which is at least several times a month. Losing or winning 10k with $600 and $900 max bets is only 12-17 max bets. Not uncommon at all, especially with aggressive doubling and splitting. You thinking that it is, shows a lack of understand.

    3.) The reason you don't experience more large winning and losing days is because you shut down after a relatively modest loss. In effect you have a stop limit built in because upon losing a few thousand you shut down for the day, for several days probably and take to the forums bitching about normal variance until you manage to sooth yourself into resuming the fight.

    4.) and finally don't you dare talk shit about my late partner. Everything you said is a complete lie. I met my partner in Philadelphia. He moved to Vegas a year after I did and he most certainly did not bankroll me. He had no money. If anything my bankroll which I built from scratch, allowed him to earn a little money as an AP, once I was able to convince him to actually play with an advantage.

    Your false accusations about me, I don't care so much. I am becoming used to that, but you talking shit and lies about my late partner is a new low for you, fuckwad! I have to put up with it from these anti-APers, but I expected more from you.
    Last edited by kewlJ; 03-26-2019 at 10:13 PM.

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