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  1. #121
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    Originally Posted by DGenBen View Post
    Thank you Bob,

    That was a rational, intelligent, well thought out response without any insults and it made sense

    it appears we may have actually succeeded in taking this thread out of the gutter and had a normal discussion.

    I am satisfied and if it pleases Alan maybe we can finish this thread. Have a nice evening.

    DGenBen, now that was a really good AP move on your part. Trying to convince Bob that you are satisfied and we are all now suddenly having a normal discussion, for the sole purpose of trying to end this never ending thread that Bob would would rather not do. Very good I like that move and I will play along.


    Bob, it is so good that everyone now understands each other, we have come so far. You cannot help it that you want to troll all the time and try to ruin good forums. Anymore than AP's try to win every possible dollar out of voluntary government tax programs. LOL, of course I am messing with you Bob. We could have a 1000 more post on the same subject and we still would not have reached square one.
    I agree with you on this one Bosox. This thread has definitely made me more knowledgeable about casinos, including Indian casinos. I didn’t learn much from anybody on this forum since most, including Alan, had their facts wrong.

    Where did I gain most of my knowledge? By spending time on the internet researching it. I had no idea local and state govenrments are many times in partnerships with Indian casinos sharing revenue. This was a new finding for me. That’s why casinos have a unique situation. Our government doesn’t do this with other businesses.

    I spent most of my time researching the situation in Arizona since Ron Singer made a big deal about those Indian casinos not paying any federal or state taxes. Intuitively, I knew the state and local governments must be getting some money from the Indian casinos, otherwise they wouldn’t have let them in their state. Like my dad used to say, I didn’t fall off a turnip truck yesterday. It appears most APs did. That’s a joke.

    Here’s an interesting piece of trivia for all of you: How much do you think Indian casinos contribute to Arizona’s state and local governments? The answer is $100 million/yr or $1 billion over the past 10 years. There’s a reason governments like casinos.

    By the way, I’ve also come to learn what an AP’s definition of a troll is. It’s someone they don’t agree with. See I’m learning the AP culture, and I haven’t even got my hands on the AP code of conduct manual. Lol .

  2. #122
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    You thought govenrments approved casinos for the interest of casinos and to make their “fat cats” wealthy.
    You’re welcome.
    The thing you found (which I've quoted below and isn't even an exact quote of what I wrote) that you claimed was the quoted statement above is totally different and is the answer to the question why people choose to operate casinos - which you ambiguously and deliberately worded as "why do casinos operate?" instead of "why people choose to operate casinos?".


    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Here’s your answer word for word to my question: “casino’s operate in the first place to make their owners wish to make a lot of money.”

  3. #123
    Bob21 making up shit:
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    You thought govenrments approved casinos for the interest of casinos and to make their “fat cats” wealthy.
    The answer to the question Bob21 ambiguously and deliberately worded as "why do casinos operate?" instead of "why people choose to operate casinos?":
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Here’s your answer word for word to my question: “casino’s operate in the first place to make their owners wish to make a lot of money.”

  4. #124
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Bob21 making up shit:
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    You thought govenrments approved casinos for the interest of casinos and to make their “fat cats” wealthy.
    The answer to the question Bob21 ambiguously and deliberately worded as "why do casinos operate?" instead of "why people choose to operate casinos?":
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Here’s your answer word for word to my question: “casino’s operate in the first place to make their owners wish to make a lot of money.”
    Hey tableplay, no reason to keep arguing the point. I asked the question correctly and you flunked the exam. I went back and reviewed my question and your answer and you got it wrong. I even gave you quite a few hints, but you never picked up on them.

    But you don’t need to worry, I’m working on another test for APs and you’ll get the first crack at it. So this won’t be your last try. I’m sure sooner or latter you’ll get one of my questions right. Even a blind squirrel sometimes find an acorn.

  5. #125
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    By they way, at 6’ 8” why did you only play NAIA basketball? Did you get any Division 1 or 11 scholosrshios coming out of high school? I take it your playing weight in college wasn’t 300 lbs, otherwise you’d have been playing football.
    Bob. It was the babies father who is 6'8" 300lb. Moses started his Senior at the age of 16. Long story. But he relives that era quite often as 1 more year in HS would probably have changed his entire life. Hence, being a 17 year old HS Senior is far different than being a 17 year old college freshman. But it is what it is.

    Sort of like government vs casino vs AP.

    Can't wait to read what you have next in store for us.

  6. #126
    Originally Posted by UCFX View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    By they way, at 6’ 8” why did you only play NAIA basketball? Did you get any Division 1 or 11 scholosrshios coming out of high school? I take it your playing weight in college wasn’t 300 lbs, otherwise you’d have been playing football.
    Bob. It was the babies father who is 6'8" 300lb. Moses started his Senior at the age of 16. Long story. But he relives that era quite often as 1 more year in HS would probably have changed his entire life. Hence, being a 17 year old HS Senior is far different than being a 17 year old college freshman. But it is what it is.

    Sort of like government vs casino vs AP.

    Can't wait to read what you have next in store for us.
    Yes, I`ve read that back then you could rack up alot of extra credits taking multiple woodshop and finger painting classes

  7. #127
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Bob21 making up shit:


    The answer to the question Bob21 ambiguously and deliberately worded as "why do casinos operate?" instead of "why people choose to operate casinos?":
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Here’s your answer word for word to my question: “casino’s operate in the first place to make their owners wish to make a lot of money.”
    Hey tableplay, no reason to keep arguing the point. I asked the question correctly and you flunked the exam. I went back and reviewed my question and your answer and you got it wrong. I even gave you quite a few hints, but you never picked up on them.

    But you don’t need to worry, I’m working on another test for APs and you’ll get the first crack at it. So this won’t be your last try. I’m sure sooner or latter you’ll get one of my questions right. Even a blind squirrel sometimes find an acorn.
    So you are stating that casino ownership's motivation for creating the casino is to give the government all proceeds less operational costs right ? And if I disagree with this I am wrong, correct ?

  8. #128
    Originally Posted by UCFX View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    By they way, at 6’ 8” why did you only play NAIA basketball? Did you get any Division 1 or 11 scholosrshios coming out of high school? I take it your playing weight in college wasn’t 300 lbs, otherwise you’d have been playing football.
    Bob. It was the babies father who is 6'8" 300lb. Moses started his Senior at the age of 16. Long story. But he relives that era quite often as 1 more year in HS would probably have changed his entire life. Hence, being a 17 year old HS Senior is far different than being a 17 year old college freshman. But it is what it is.

    Sort of like government vs casino vs AP.

    Can't wait to read what you have next in store for us.
    My bad. I misread your post. It’s not easy trying to get some work done here at my job and also keeping up with all my posting. That’s why I’ve been nailed by some of the better Forum detectives like Bobo and his buddies on some small inconsistencies.

    In the future, I’m thinking of hiring a lawyer to review my posts before I hit send so I don’t get nailed by all the Forum detectives. Ever since Bobo started this practice, they’ve been multiplying like rabbits. But I don’t think any of them will ever reach the level of Bobo. He was the first to pick up that I was dbs on BJTF. And did you see how fast he picked up that I am rarey bird 33 on blackjacksolution? He almost alerted everybody to it before I even registered.

    I mean the guy is good.... I don’t think there will ever be anybody as good as Bobo with this type of intense defective work.

    A shout out to Bobo for keeping us all honest.

  9. #129
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Bob21 making up shit:


    The answer to the question Bob21 ambiguously and deliberately worded as "why do casinos operate?" instead of "why people choose to operate casinos?":
    Hey tableplay, no reason to keep arguing the point. I asked the question correctly and you flunked the exam. I went back and reviewed my question and your answer and you got it wrong. I even gave you quite a few hints, but you never picked up on them.

    But you don’t need to worry, I’m working on another test for APs and you’ll get the first crack at it. So this won’t be your last try. I’m sure sooner or latter you’ll get one of my questions right. Even a blind squirrel sometimes find an acorn.
    So you are stating that casino ownership's motivation for creating the casino is to give the government all proceeds less operational costs right ? And if I disagree with this I am wrong, correct ?
    I never said that but you’re starting to get the point. At least you’re trying! For that I’ve raised you grade from an F to D+. I like your effort.

  10. #130
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Ever since Bobo started this practice, they’ve been multiplying like rabbits. But I don’t think any of them will ever reach the level of Bobo. He was the first to pick up that I was dbs on BJTF. And did you see how fast he picked up that I am rarey bird 33 on blackjacksolution? He almost alerted everybody to it before I even registered.
    A shout out to Bobo for keeping us all honest.
    Way to go Bosox.

    Yes rarey. Not too much gets past Mr. FUDD. For Um Deputy Detective. Beneath his stormy surface flows the warm tide of compassion and kindness.

    What the Hell's goin on in here?
    Last edited by UCFX; 04-04-2019 at 02:44 PM.

  11. #131
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    I never said that but you’re starting to get the point. At least you’re trying! For that I’ve raised you grade from an F to D+. I like your effort.
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    if you’re going to call casinos parasites then you should call the IRS parasites. Both entities primary purpose is to generate revenue for governments.

  12. #132
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    I never said that but you’re starting to get the point. At least you’re trying! For that I’ve raised you grade from an F to D+. I like your effort.
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    if you’re going to call casinos parasites then you should call the IRS parasites. Both entities primary purpose is to generate revenue for governments.
    Hey Tableplay, I have no idea what your point is by posting these two posts of mine into one post, but I’m sure you were trying to make one.

    Again, State and local governments approve casinos primarily for their own self-interest....to create jobs and revenue for state and local governments. A side benefit is some casino people and owners also get wealthy. I can tell you're struggling to understand this concept.

    Both of my posts are accurate and not in contradiction. Did you make your post to try and get me to further raise your grade from a D+? I’m sorry I can’t do that since a C- would indicate you passed. And I think everybody can clearly see you flunked my test.

    By me giving you a D+, it at least shows I understand you were trying. But in reality, a D+ isn’t much better than an F. They are both failing grades.

    Don’t worry, I’ll give you first crack at my next test, so you’ll be able to redeem yourself.

  13. #133
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post

    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    if you’re going to call casinos parasites then you should call the IRS parasites. Both entities primary purpose is to generate revenue for governments.
    Hey Tableplay, I have no idea what your point is by posting these two posts of mine into one post, but I’m sure you were trying to make one.

    Again, State and local governments approve casinos primarily for their own self-interest....to create jobs and revenue for state and local governments. A side benefit is some casino people and owners also get wealthy. I can tell you're struggling to understand this concept.

    Both of my posts are accurate and not in contradiction. Did you make your post to try and get me to further raise your grade from a D+? I’m sorry I can’t do that since a C- would indicate you passed. And I think everybody can clearly see you flunked my test.

    By me giving you a D+, it at least shows I understand you were trying. But in reality, a D+ isn’t much better than an F. They are both failing grades.

    Don’t worry, I’ll give you first crack at my next test, so you’ll be able to redeem yourself.

    The primary purpose of casinos is to generate profits for the shareholders of the companies they represent.


    State and local governments approve casinos because majorities of their citizens voted in favor of having them.

    Once casinos are up and operating both operating as separate entities as in casinos and the government are both looking out for the maximum amount of dollars they can get for themselves, again as separate entities.
    Last edited by BoSox; 04-05-2019 at 10:48 AM.

  14. #134
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post

    Hey Tableplay, I have no idea what your point is by posting these two posts of mine into one post, but I’m sure you were trying to make one.
    Both of my posts are accurate and not in contradiction.
    Bob21, declaring that the posts are not in contradiction doesn't change the reality that they are. You may declare anything you wish, however the declarations will not make your wishes come into being. You posted/stated that you never mentioned that casinos' primary purpose was to generate revenue for the government and I posted a post of yours where you did. You also mention that you have no idea why I posted the two posts, yet you then supply (in the same post) an idea of the purpose (that I posted them to show that you contradicted yourself).

  15. #135
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post

    Hey Tableplay, I have no idea what your point is by posting these two posts of mine into one post, but I’m sure you were trying to make one.
    Both of my posts are accurate and not in contradiction.
    Bob21, declaring that the posts are not in contradiction doesn't change the reality that they are. You may declare anything you wish, however the declarations will not make your wishes come into being. You posted/stated that you never mentioned that casinos' primary purpose was to generate revenue for the government and I posted a post of yours where you did. You also mention that you have no idea why I posted the two posts, yet you then supply (in the same post) an idea of the purpose (that I posted them to show that you contradicted yourself).
    I get what you’re doing so if it makes you feel better keep doing it. You take one or two sentences out of context from one of my posts and run with it. Again, this is a classic liberal tactics.

    The reason every state and local government has originally approved casinos is for their own self-interest. It is not for the interest of the casino industry. I stand by that statement.

    The reason casinos were originally approved in Nevada, which is the first state where they became legal, was for the purpose of financing a huge project for the state called Hoover dam. In every state and local area where casino has been approved the same is true. Arizona voters approved the Indian casinos because of the revenue they brought into the state and local areas and because they wanted casinos. They did not approve Indian casinos so Indian casino owners could become wealthy, even though people running these casinos have become wealthy.

    I can see you’re struggling with that fundamental concept.

    The reason casinos are different than any other industry is because they add no true value to the economy, other than that of entertainment. Many economist have called casinos a “zero sum” game because one party “wins” while the other side “loses”. With casinos there can never be a “win-win” situation (if you don’t consider entertainment as a win). This isn’t the casino’s fault....it’s their business model, and it has to be that way otherwise casinos would go out of business.

    In most businesses, both parties (the buyer and seller) “win”, because each party gets something out of the transaction. This is what drives our ecomony and improves our standard of living. Casinos are not improving our standard of living....they just transfer money from one group to the other.

    I know I’ve gone through this before but I can tell people are still missing is a key part of why casinos are different than any other type of business...and why governments are so involved in approving them, regulating them and in the collection of revenues from them.

    This is why I will always defend casinos as long as they are not breaking the law. Casinos are doing exactly what they are supposed to do, provide negative EV games for the purpose of entertainment. Most APs won’t acknowledge this is their business model.

    Governments (and everybody not born under a rock) understand there are a lot of downsides that come along with casinos. These are outside the control of the casino industry. Most APs (not all) try to blame casinos for things (basically people with freewill making bad choices) that are outside of the casino’s control. Liberals also blame McDonald’s when people eat too many French fries and get fat. That’s what liberals do...they blame businesses for people’s personal actions. They struggle with individuals being accountable for their own actions.

    The only reason I went over this in some depth is because I can tell one or two people on this site care and want to understand this better. I’m sure the majority could care less. They are going to believe whatever they want.

  16. #136
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    The reason every state and local government has originally approved casinos is for their own self-interest. It is not for the interest of the casino industry. I stand by that statement.
    bob21, the reason people have to eat food is because if they don't they will die - I stand by this statement.
    Similarly you stand by :
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    The reason every state and local government has originally approved casinos is for their own self-interest. It is not for the interest of the casino industry. I stand by that statement.
    All well and good for both of us I suppose. But what either of the above statements has to do with casino ownership's (private owner(s) or shareholders as Bosox astutely pointed out) primary motivation for opening casinos being to make money (and not to generate profits for the government per your original statement which you intentionally deflected and morphed into the statement above - which is very different) is anyone's guess.

  17. #137
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    The reason every state and local government has originally approved casinos is for their own self-interest. It is not for the interest of the casino industry. I stand by that statement.
    bob21, the reason people have to eat food is because if they don't they will die - I stand by this statement.
    Similarly you stand by :
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    The reason every state and local government has originally approved casinos is for their own self-interest. It is not for the interest of the casino industry. I stand by that statement.
    All well and good for both of us I suppose. But what either of the above statements has to do with casino ownership's (private owner(s) or shareholders as Bosox astutely pointed out) primary motivation for opening casinos being to make money (and not to generate profits for the government per your original statement which you intentionally deflected and morphed into the statement above - which is very different) is anyone's guess.
    I will remind you my original question (which you misquote) was: Why do govenrments approve casinos? And you basically answered it for the interests of casinos. I correctly pointed out you were 100% wrong.

    Now you’re off on some tangent....taking sentences out of context. You are deflecting the original point I was trying to make. I’ve always positioned my point on around why governments allow casinos in. It’s NOT for the interest of casinos.

    I fully understand when casino’s operate, they want to operate to maximize profits. I have pointed this out many many times. As with all private businesses, Casino’s primary motivation is to enrich their shareholders.

    I know you’re upset because you flunked my test. Trust me tableplay, I’m gonna give you another try on my next test.

  18. #138
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    bob21, the reason people have to eat food is because if they don't they will die - I stand by this statement.
    Similarly you stand by :
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    The reason every state and local government has originally approved casinos is for their own self-interest. It is not for the interest of the casino industry. I stand by that statement.
    All well and good for both of us I suppose. But what either of the above statements has to do with casino ownership's (private owner(s) or shareholders as Bosox astutely pointed out) primary motivation for opening casinos being to make money (and not to generate profits for the government per your original statement which you intentionally deflected and morphed into the statement above - which is very different) is anyone's guess.
    I will remind you my original question (which you misquote) was: Why do govenrments approve casinos? And you basically answered it for the interests of casinos. I correctly pointed out you were 100% wrong.

    Now you’re off on some tangent....taking sentences out of context. You are deflecting the original point I was trying to make. I’ve always positioned my point on around why governments allow casinos in. It’s NOT for the interest of casinos.

    I fully understand when casino’s operate, they want to operate to maximize profits. I have pointed this out many many times. As with all private businesses, Casino’s primary motivation is to enrich their shareholders.

    I know you’re upset because you flunked my test. Trust me tableplay, I’m gonna give you another try on my next test.
    Your original statement was that Casinos open for the purpose of creating revenue for the government. You will say it wasn't.

  19. #139
    Bob21wrote:

    "Casinos are doing exactly what they are supposed to do, provide negative EV games for the purpose of entertainment."


    Bob, just as long as you understand that you are on the record for a number of times stating:



    "The casinos primary purpose is to generate revenue for state and local government’s. You can think of them as voluntary tax programs for the state, similar to why most states have lotteries."



    Starting in post#1 "in your own thread" titled Casino Mission. First two lines second paragraph.

  20. #140
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    Bob21wrote:

    "Casinos are doing exactly what they are supposed to do, provide negative EV games for the purpose of entertainment."


    Bob, just as long as you understand that you are on the record for a number of times stating:



    "The casinos primary purpose is to generate revenue for state and local government’s. You can think of them as voluntary tax programs for the state, similar to why most states have lotteries."



    Starting in post#1 "in your own thread" titled Casino Mission. First two lines second paragraph.
    Hey Bosox, thanks for getting in the middle of this. You’re always welcome on any of my threads because you’re the recordkeeper, you’re the person keeping us all honest.

    These are accurate statements that do not contradict each other. Thank you for posting them.

    The first sentence is the business model of a casino. Why is that so hard for you - and most APs - to understand?

    The second sentence describes why casinos are allowed to operate. Governments need revenue. Casinos are basically their voluntary tax program, run by private business. What’s so hard to understand about that?

    People aren’t going to go to a government voluntary tax center and just give them their money. They need to be entertained when they give them their money. That’s where casino come in....they provide entertainment as they take people’s money. Then they give part of that revenue to the state. For some casinos, this is through a revenue sharing program and for others it’s through taxation.

    Why are you struggling to understand this?

    By the way, I was kind of liking blob. Why are you calling me Bob now? Whatever you do, just don’t call me late for dinner. I know that’s a lame one, but I couldn’t resist. Lol

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