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  1. #81
    This is probably the silliest argument ever.

    Even if casinos are pure evil with no social redeeming value they're not getting shut down tomorrow. But, with that said, Castro did shut down the casinos after he took power thru the revolution. So I guess it's possible the casinos could be forced to close someday.

    Do you want to argue this too? LOL

  2. #82
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    This is probably the silliest argument ever.

    Even if casinos are pure evil with no social redeeming value they're not getting shut down tomorrow. But, with that said, Castro did shut down the casinos after he took power thru the revolution. So I guess it's possible the casinos could be forced to close someday.

    Do you want to argue this too? LOL
    Hey Alan, why are you calling me out on this? Did you see who kept it going this morning. It was tableplay. I was just letting tableplay know he flunked a very easy test.

    Tableplay and many others on this site - and most gambling sites - really think the main reason local and state governments allow casinos to come into their area is for the interests of the casinos.

    I guess you could say I’m surprised at how naive the AP crowd is when it comes to casinos. Most don’t know why they exists. I’m just trying to pull them out of the cave and give them some knowledge so they don’t keep going around saying stupid things. You got to remember I’m an AP too, so it’s in my interest to educate them, and not make them look stupid. I want to be proud of people I hang out with. Lol

  3. #83
    Bob21 casinos exist because we want them to exist. People who run businesses want to operate at a profit or there's no reason to operate. Governments need revenue so they tax whatever the voters will let them tax.

    End of story. Hopefully the end of this thread.

  4. #84
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Bob21 casinos exist because we want them to exist. People who run businesses want to operate at a profit or there's no reason to operate. Governments need revenue so they tax whatever the voters will let them tax.

    End of story. Hopefully the end of this thread.
    Agreed! Why do you keep addressing your post to me? This is what I’ve been sayings along. Have you read any of my posts? We’re on the same page.

    Your post should have been addressed to tableplay and the rest of the goofballs that don’t under this. These are the people who are constantly criticizing casinos and not understanding why they exists.

  5. #85
    Hey Bob,

    If you’re not at the casino at a specific moment in time how can you be sure it exists at all?

  6. #86
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Bob21 casinos exist because we want them to exist. People who run businesses want to operate at a profit or there's no reason to operate. Governments need revenue so they tax whatever the voters will let them tax.

    End of story. Hopefully the end of this thread.
    Hey Alan, I know you’d like this to be “end of story”, but after doing some research I found out your post is incorrect.

    Casinos are different than other business because some of them share their revenue with state and local governments. This is true with most indian casinos. That’s why they act as a defacto voluntary tax program for governments.

    In Arizona, the indian casinos contribute up to 8% of their revenue to the “State, and to cities, towns, and counties.”

    I just wanted you to know the situation is a little different with casinos than how our governments treat other businesses. Govenrments don’t share revenue with other business. They tax them.

    Again, none of this is a big deal, but you’d think people involved in the gambling world would want to have a clue about how and why casinos operate.

    You’d be shocked at how few APs know the main reason casinos were first legalized in Nevada in 1931 was to finance Hoover Dam. Does an AP need to know this to be an AP? Of course not.

  7. #87
    BOB21[/QUOTE]

    The first reason casinos operate is because states and local government give them the power to operate. This is the primary reason casinos are operating. Without government’s approval, they could not operate.

    The next question is why do state and local governments approve casinos when everybody knows the downsides that come along with casinos? Because of the revenue, and jobs, casinos generate for their community and local and state governments.



    As a side note, APs are the only people in the world that don’t know everybody in the world already knows there are negatives that come along with casinos. How do I know this? Everytime I say something to defend a casino, I get some naive AP sending me an article about the negatives of casinos. I think I’ve got about 20 of these article by now.[/QUOTE]


    Bob, regarding your first first two above quotes you jumped the gun again. Before the state and local governments elected officials vote to approve casino gaming into their districts, It is first decided at the ballot box by the voters themselves. If the voters overwhelmingly rejected the question it would not happen in their area.



    Now to your last above quote:

    Bob, what good is blaming the government when the casinos are already up and operating? It is after the fact and way too late. Contracts have already been signed and casinos already have locked in legal rights possibly for a decade or more. Citizens can vote out their own representives out of office but they were only carrying out the voters wishes. So the voters are the guilty party, but of course nobody blames themselves especially a few million ploppies. There is only one choice left to blame, the no good fucken casinos.
    Last edited by BoSox; 04-03-2019 at 11:06 AM.

  8. #88
    Originally Posted by DGenBen View Post
    Hey Bob,

    If you’re not at the casino at a specific moment in time how can you be sure it exists at all?
    Hey DGenBen, excellent point! That’s one of your better posts. I also don’t know if a tree makes a sound when it falls if nobody was around to hear it. Now we’re debating some high level stuff. Lol

  9. #89
    Bosox. You are getting better with your quotes. But your first quote should look like this. Your 2nd quote is correct.
    [QUOTE=Bob21;86139]

    I will do one of Bob's above to illustrate.

    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Hey DGenBen, excellent point! That’s one of your better posts.
    Bosox could say here; Bob is a poo poo head.

    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    I also don’t know if a tree makes a sound when it falls if nobody was around to hear it. Now we’re debating some high level stuff. Lol
    Then Bosox could say here. I don't like poo poo heads.

    You simply copy and paste this [QUOTE=Bob21;86148] again in front of the words you want to reply to while the other, that you have correct, remains at the back.

    See, you've divided his post into the two different points you wanted to make. IF you're going to debate with one of the best, being able to easily read your comments is vital.
    Last edited by UCFX; 04-03-2019 at 10:56 AM.

  10. #90
    Thank you UCFX but I sort of like it the way I am doing it as I do not want to make it too easy for Moses to quote me on ZZ.

  11. #91
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by DGenBen View Post
    Hey Bob,

    If you’re not at the casino at a specific moment in time how can you be sure it exists at all?
    Hey DGenBen, excellent point! That’s one of your better posts. I also don’t know if a tree makes a sound when it falls if nobody was around to hear it. Now we’re debating some high level stuff. Lol
    Thank you! Yes I thought it was time to elevate this thread up to an actual serious adult discussion, not the silly “How many casinos could exist on the head of a pin” stuff anymore lol.

  12. #92
    Originally Posted by DGenBen View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by DGenBen View Post
    Hey Bob,

    If you’re not at the casino at a specific moment in time how can you be sure it exists at all?
    Hey DGenBen, excellent point! That’s one of your better posts. I also don’t know if a tree makes a sound when it falls if nobody was around to hear it. Now we’re debating some high level stuff. Lol
    Thank you! Yes I thought it was time to elevate this thread up to an actual serious adult discussion, not the silly “How many casinos could exist on the head of a pin” stuff anymore lol.
    Yeah, this is a much better debate. But be careful, you’re going to get Alan upset. He wants this thread to stop.

    Those are my favorite type of posters, not. The ones who try to get in the last word, and then say soemething like, hope this ends the thread. This seems to be a common practice on forums.

    I always wonder why they want to shut down threads. If they don’t like the thread or the topic, just don’t open it. Why do they try to impose their will on the rest of the members? Probably because they’re control freaks, and there’re losing the argument.

    At any rate, I don’t let it impact my posting.
    Last edited by Bob21; 04-03-2019 at 12:02 PM.

  13. #93
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by DGenBen View Post
    Hey Bob,

    If you’re not at the casino at a specific moment in time how can you be sure it exists at all?
    Hey DGenBen, excellent point! That’s one of your better posts. I also don’t know if a tree makes a sound when it falls if nobody was around to hear it. Now we’re debating some high level stuff. Lol
    If a troll is trolling on this board and everyone ignores him is he still actually a troll?

  14. #94
    Originally Posted by DGenBen View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by DGenBen View Post
    Hey Bob,

    If you’re not at the casino at a specific moment in time how can you be sure it exists at all?
    Hey DGenBen, excellent point! That’s one of your better posts. I also don’t know if a tree makes a sound when it falls if nobody was around to hear it. Now we’re debating some high level stuff. Lol
    If a troll is trolling on this board and everyone ignores him is he still actually a troll?
    Excellent point! I do think while most didn’t get what I was trying to say, one or two probably did. I doubt if most APs understand how close the relationship is between casinos and governments. It’s not a typical business/government relationship. It’s more of a partnership where the two sides share revenue.

    You got to remember Alan also had a hard time understanding what “zero sum” means, so I didn’t think he’d get the point I was making. Heck, most the time we were making the same point and he didn’t even know it.

    That brings up another question: if someone is thinking but nothing intelligent comes out of their brain (kind of like what goes on in Bosox’s brain), are they really thinking? These are some pretty deep questions.

  15. #95
    Actually I thought most people figured out this time that you were just trolling. I was a bit disappointed because I really kind of respected your trolling work in the AP Keno IL thread. I thought it showed a lot of potential and you were very talented at seeming sincere and sucking people in deep before you whacked them. This thread it seemed like you got lazy. You made it too obvious you were just trolling and you didn’t work hard enough at pretending to be sincere or picking good relevant points to fight on. You also would whack people right away before sucking them in deep. I think you got overconfident.

    The good news is though I can see you do have the raw talent and drive to be a very successful troll if you keep working on it you will only get better. Keep practicing and try again. If you burned too many people this time because you were too obvious and they won’t engage with you anymore you can always go practice trolling somewhere else and then come back under a different handle to try again. I think you just had an off week is all.

  16. #96
    Originally Posted by DGenBen View Post
    Actually I thought most people figured out this time that you were just trolling. I was a bit disappointed because I really kind of respected your trolling work in the AP Keno IL thread. I thought it showed a lot of potential and you were very talented at seeming sincere and sucking people in deep before you whacked them. This thread it seemed like you got lazy. You made it too obvious you were just trolling and you didn’t work hard enough at pretending to be sincere or picking good relevant points to fight on. You also would whack people right away before sucking them in deep. I think you got overconfident.

    The good news is though I can see you do have the raw talent and drive to be a very successful troll if you keep working on it you will only get better. Keep practicing and try again. If you burned too many people this time because you were too obvious and they won’t engage with you anymore you can always go practice trolling somewhere and then come back under a different handle to try again. I think you just had an off week is all.
    DGenBen, I will remind you, you never answered my question on why govenrments approve casinos. At least tableplay tried, even though he failed the test miserably. Tableplay thinks it’s to make casino “fat cats” wealthy. My offer is still open to you, if you want to give it a shot.

    Hey, I get why many APs won’t engage me. Their position most the time is wrong and they can’t defend it. That’s when they do one or two things: 1) go into name calling mode, including calling the person a troll or 2) censor that person.

    This is how most liberals debate conservatives so I get it. Liberals are pretty predicable.
    Last edited by Bob21; 04-03-2019 at 03:47 PM.

  17. #97
    Man more laziness. I’m gonna help you out. We agreed on that point several days ago. I said yes I agree governments want revenue they need to fund those cushy government pensions. You said yes we are actually in complete agreement many others chimed in and said yes we agree. Then for several days you made a big deal that me and no one never answered this even though we had all agreed.

    I think you got on such a trolling high you stopped actually paying attention to any responses. You have to remember trolling is a two party sport. The troll and the victim. You have to make the girl come too. When you get so wrapped up in the trolling high you forgot to keep hooking the victim along. It’s like foreplay. First your supposed to suck people in, then when you have wasted their time, sucked them in, made them think you are sincere, THEN you get the rise out of them. It’s much more funnier that way. You are immediately going for the rise right away. People catch on too quick to you that way. Kind of like it’s fun to chase the girl you really want and court her for 3 months. You just wanna go straight to hiring the hooker.

    Also trying to troll conservatives by calling them liberals works better when your opinions are not to the left of Joseph Stalin’s. People won’t buy that you are conservative when you would rather the government have our money than the AP and you think that profit is bad if you are not adding value to society.

    You are actually pretty funny when you are at the top of your trolling game but it was sad to see it fall so bad this week. What happened?

  18. #98
    Bob21, please answer my post #87 in the thread?

  19. #99
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    Bob21, please answer my post #87 in the thread?
    Hey Bosox, I missed post #86, otherwise I’d have responded. I just read it, and thought it was good, with the exception of your last sentence: “There is only one choice left to blame, the no good f.... casinos.” This in a nutshell is my problem with APs.

    Casinos are doing excatly what they have been commissioned to do by the voters and our government so why do so many APs criticize them?

    When I defend casinos, I get attacked endlessly by the AP crowd. I think I got at least 10 articles sent to me by the BJTF goofballs showing me the evils of casinos. When I defended casinos on BJA, the same thing happened. When I defended casinos here, same thing. I think it was Mickey and jbjb who sent me articles or explained to me the evils of casinos.

    I’ve come to the conclusion APs are the only people in the world that don’t know everybody in the world understands the unintended downsides that occur when a casino opens in a local area. It’s not the casino’s fault this happens. It’s the nature of a casino’s business and a free society that makes this inevitable.

    Alan, asked me what’s my point. My point is APs should quite criticizing casinos....and they should stop sending me all these articles on the evils of casinos. If they feel so strongly casinos are evil, they should work to get them shut down. Being an AP doesn’t accomplish anything. This doesn’t make APing wrong or bad, but nobody should think it’s accomplishing anything. I like being an AP weekend warrior, but I don’t think I’m accomplishing anything except making money for myself, and helping some lower paid casino staff through tipping. Tipping is my way to give back to an industry I love and respect.

    I am NOT a casino employee (as some think), but I will always defend casinos from some of the stupid accusations APs make against them. You’d think casinos caused world hungry the way most APs complain about them.

    If we can all agree casinos are doing nothing wrong, then we will all get along. Casinos are providing a value (that of entertainment) to society for the people who gamble responsibly, which as Alan has pointed out is the majority. And casinos are providing jobs and a revenue stream for state and local governments. All good things!

  20. #100
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    Bob21, please answer my post #87 in the thread?
    Hey Bosox, I missed post #86, otherwise I’d have responded. I just read it, and thought it was good, with the exception of your last sentence: “There is only one choice left to blame, the no good f.... casinos.” This in a nutshell is my problem with APs.

    Casinos are doing excatly what they have been commissioned to do by the voters and our government so why do so many APs criticize them?

    When I defend casinos, I get attacked endlessly by the AP crowd. I think I got at least 10 articles sent to me by the BJTF goofballs showing me the evils of casinos. When I defended casinos on BJA, the same thing happened. When I defended casinos here, same thing. I think it was Mickey and jbjb who sent me articles or explained to me the evils of casinos.

    I’ve come to the conclusion APs are the only people in the world that don’t know everybody in the world understands the unintended downsides that occur when a casino opens in a local area. It’s not the casino’s fault this happens. It’s the nature of a casino’s business and a free society that makes this inevitable.

    Alan, asked me what’s my point. My point is APs should quite criticizing casinos....and they should stop sending me all these articles on the evils of casinos. If they feel so strongly casinos are evil, they should work to get them shut down. Being an AP doesn’t accomplish anything. This doesn’t make APing wrong or bad, but nobody should think it’s accomplishing anything. I like being an AP weekend warrior, but I don’t think I’m accomplishing anything except making money for myself, and helping some lower paid casino staff through tipping. Tipping is my way to give back to an industry I love and respect.

    I am NOT a casino employee (as some think), but I will always defend casinos from some of the stupid accusations APs make against them. You’d think casinos caused world hungry the way most APs complain about them.

    If we can all agree casinos are doing nothing wrong, then we will all get along. Casinos are providing a value (that of entertainment) to society for the people who gamble responsibly, which as Alan has pointed out is the majority. And casinos are providing jobs and a revenue stream for state and local governments. All good things!
    Who cares? Casinos are good casinos are bad. Who gives a shit? Why are you so obsessed with this?

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