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  1. #141
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    Bob21wrote:

    "Casinos are doing exactly what they are supposed to do, provide negative EV games for the purpose of entertainment."


    Bob, just as long as you understand that you are on the record for a number of times stating:



    "The casinos primary purpose is to generate revenue for state and local government’s. You can think of them as voluntary tax programs for the state, similar to why most states have lotteries."



    Starting in post#1 "in your own thread" titled Casino Mission. First two lines second paragraph.
    It doesn't matter how much proof is presented Bosox, Bob21 will simply declare that that wasn't his original statement, and that we're wrong. As if his declarations will change reality or get someone to believe something else when the fact is clearly written and documented.

  2. #142
    I think the question people really want to know the answer to now is “Why does this thread still exist?”

  3. #143
    At least “someone” benefits from a casino but who benefits from this thread?

  4. #144
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    bob21, the reason people have to eat food is because if they don't they will die - I stand by this statement.
    Similarly you stand by :


    All well and good for both of us I suppose. But what either of the above statements has to do with casino ownership's (private owner(s) or shareholders as Bosox astutely pointed out) primary motivation for opening casinos being to make money (and not to generate profits for the government per your original statement which you intentionally deflected and morphed into the statement above - which is very different) is anyone's guess.
    I will remind you my original question (which you misquote) was: Why do govenrments approve casinos? And you basically answered it for the interests of casinos. I correctly pointed out you were 100% wrong.

    Now you’re off on some tangent....taking sentences out of context. You are deflecting the original point I was trying to make. I’ve always positioned my point on around why governments allow casinos in. It’s NOT for the interest of casinos.

    I fully understand when casino’s operate, they want to operate to maximize profits. I have pointed this out many many times. As with all private businesses, Casino’s primary motivation is to enrich their shareholders.

    I know you’re upset because you flunked my test. Trust me tableplay, I’m gonna give you another try on my next test.
    Your original statement was that Casinos open for the purpose of creating revenue for the government. You will say it wasn't.
    Tableplay, I totally agree with that statement. Where do you see me backing away from it? I’ve stated from the beginning the reason casinos were/are legalized was/is to raise revenue for the government (local, state and federal). They were first legalized in 1931 for the purpose of financing Hoover dam.

    Politicians know they’ll be voted out of office if they raise taxes so they go the casino and lottery route.

    In between my posts, I’ve been reading more and more articles about how state and city governments are looking at how they can increase their revenue? And most of the time it’s by trying to bring in more casinos. The problem is America is getting saturated with casinos so the revenue from casinos in some areas is declining.

    I found a very good article in The Atlantic magaizine you should read. It’s called “A good way to wreck local economies: Build casinos”. It describes exactly what I’m talking about. How governments are turning to casinos to raise revenue.

    I’m surprised you don’t understand why casinos have proliferated throughout United States? I thought it was just common knowledge that it was for govenrments to raise revenue.

    Why do you think states have lotteries? I hope you don’t think it’s just to entertain people and because people like lotteries.

  5. #145
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post

    I will remind you my original question (which you misquote) was: Why do govenrments approve casinos? And you basically answered it for the interests of casinos. I correctly pointed out you were 100% wrong.

    Now you’re off on some tangent....taking sentences out of context. You are deflecting the original point I was trying to make. I’ve always positioned my point on around why governments allow casinos in. It’s NOT for the interest of casinos.

    I fully understand when casino’s operate, they want to operate to maximize profits. I have pointed this out many many times. As with all private businesses, Casino’s primary motivation is to enrich their shareholders.

    I know you’re upset because you flunked my test. Trust me tableplay, I’m gonna give you another try on my next test.
    Your original statement was that Casinos open for the purpose of creating revenue for the government. You will say it wasn't.
    Tableplay, I totally agree with that statement. Where do you see me backing away from it? I’ve stated from the beginning the reason casinos were/are legalized was/is to raise revenue for the government (local, state and federal).

    Politicians know they’ll be voted out of office if they raise taxes so they go the casino and lottery route.

    I’m surprised you don’t understand why casinos have proliferated throughout United States? I thought it was just common knowledge that it was for govenrments to raise revenue.

    All of this is semantics. The actual politicians who are running the local and state governments very well may look at it in such a perspective that the casinos exist only to generate revenue for the state/cities/towns. But in private discussions among themselves they refer to casinos big shots as parasites and cockroaches.

    Casinos corporate big shots look at the influencial politicians who run the government as a necessary means of aligning with for getting their own dreams accomplished. But in the same type of private discussions they refer to government bureaucrats as parasites and cockroaches.


    Does anyone think otherwise?
    Last edited by BoSox; 04-05-2019 at 04:55 PM.

  6. #146
    Originally Posted by DGenBen View Post
    At least “someone” benefits from a casino but who benefits from this thread?
    DGenBem, I know you don’t like me insulting APs, but I can’t resist when I read this post. I don’t know how you meant your one liner, but I found it ignorant.

    For me, this has been one of the better threads. Not because of anything I learned from posters, but from what I’ve learned from all my research on casinos. I’ve now read at least 100 articles on casinos because I find this topic interesting.

    First, what I learned is that about everybody on this site doesn’t have a clue when it comes to indian casinos, and this included me, until I did my research. As with others, I was under the misconception that Indian casinos didn’t contribute much to state and local governments because they can’t be taxed.

    Boy was I wrong. I had no idea that tribal casinos have a very different relationship - basically a closer relationship - to governments than non-tribal casinos. I was shocked to find indian casinos contribute $16 billion to state goveements through fees and revenue sharing programs.

    From what I can find, it appears revenue sharing programs are only done with casinos. As most know, our government typically taxes businesses...they don’t have revenue sharing programs with businesses.

    I also learned not to trust anything anybody says about casinos on a gambling site. I found Alan, Mickey, Ron, DGenBen, tableplay and Bosox all made incorrect statements (some that were NOT even close to being right) when it comes to casinos. Before this thread, i thought people who are involved in the gaming industry would know more about it than they did.

    In defense of these people, I’ve also made incorrect statements since I went on “word of mouth” and I was misinformed. Due to this thread that won’t be the case going forward.

    I guess I’m not like your typical AP, I don’t like to go around spouting out incorrect things.

    So going back to DGenBen’s question: “who benefits from this thread?” It only benefits those who want to be educated and learn something. Since it appears DGenBen is good going through life ignorant than this thread doesn’t hold much value for him.

    I’ve also leaned that when Alan wants to shut down a thread after trying to have the “last word” to not let it get shut down. It was mostly after Alan tried to shut down this thread when I learned the most.

    By the way, you’ll never see me try to shut down a thread. I like to learn new things and hear opinions from people who think different than me. I know this is unusual in the AP world.

  7. #147
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Your original statement was that Casinos open for the purpose of creating revenue for the government. You will say it wasn't.
    Tableplay, I totally agree with that statement. Where do you see me backing away from it? I’ve stated from the beginning the reason casinos were/are legalized was/is to raise revenue for the government (local, state and federal).
    Let "Casino ownership (be it private or shareholders) opens casinos for the purpose of providing revenue for the government" be referred to as statement X
    Let "The government approves the opening of and running of casinos for the purpose of providing revenue to the government" be referred to as statement Y
    So you totally agree that the you said statement X before statement Y right ?

  8. #148
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Your original statement was that Casinos open for the purpose of creating revenue for the government. You will say it wasn't.
    Tableplay, I totally agree with that statement. Where do you see me backing away from it? I’ve stated from the beginning the reason casinos were/are legalized was/is to raise revenue for the government (local, state and federal).
    Let "Casino ownership (be it private or shareholders) opens casinos for the purpose of providing revenue for the government" be referred to as statement X
    Let "The government approves the opening of and running of casinos for the purpose of providing revenue to the government" be referred to as statement Y
    So you totally agree that the you said statement X before statement Y right ?
    You got me tableplay. You’re the best. I can tell your never going to understand it, so you need to beleive what you believe.

    Where did you learn logic and how to to write posts? From Bosox.

    I get what you’re doing. Trying to find small meaningless inconsistencies, and then running with it. But in the end, I can tell you starting to get my points and you seem to be agreeing with me, so that’s all that really matters. For that I’ll take your grade all the way up to C-. Now you passed. Are you satisfied?

    My point stands. If you’re upset with casinos take it up with our government. The casinos are doing nothing wrong. They are doing what they are supposed to do. APs should quite criticizing casinos.

  9. #149
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Tableplay, I totally agree with that statement. Where do you see me backing away from it? I’ve stated from the beginning the reason casinos were/are legalized was/is to raise revenue for the government (local, state and federal).
    Let "Casino ownership (be it private or shareholders) opens casinos for the purpose of providing revenue for the government" be referred to as statement X
    Let "The government approves the opening of and running of casinos for the purpose of providing revenue to the government" be referred to as statement Y
    So you totally agree that the you said statement X before statement Y right ?
    I can tell your never going to understand it, so you need to beleive what you believe.
    I can tell you're never going to answer that question in red.

  10. #150
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Let "Casino ownership (be it private or shareholders) opens casinos for the purpose of providing revenue for the government" be referred to as statement X
    Let "The government approves the opening of and running of casinos for the purpose of providing revenue to the government" be referred to as statement Y
    So you totally agree that the you said statement X before statement Y right ?
    I can tell your never going to understand it, so you need to beleive what you believe.
    I can tell you're never going to answer that question in red.
    Hey tableplay, I told you I gave you a passing grade. I can see you’re finally getting the point I’m making. You don’t need to keep begging me to pass my course. You officially passed it! I’m proud of you.

    As for me, I’ve learned all I’m going to learn from this thread (and my internet research) and I know you’re gonna want to keep making some meaningless point about X and Y. To be honest with you, I’d rather talk about the Ps and Qs. Lol.

    I’m actually getting to where Alan was at a while back and ready to move on. Anybody who wants to continue to make posts though can keep posting away. If I see something relevant or something so stupid I can’t control myself, I’ll reply.

    Great thread!

  11. #151
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    I can tell your never going to understand it, so you need to beleive what you believe.
    I can tell you're never going to answer that question in red.
    Hey tableplay, I told you I gave you a passing grade. I can see you’re finally getting the point I’m making. You don’t need to keep begging me to pass my course. You officially passed it! I’m proud of you.

    As for me, I’ve learned all I’m going to learn from this thread (and my internet research) and I know you’re gonna want to keep making some meaningless point about X and Y. To be honest with you, I’d rather talk about the Ps and Qs. Lol.

    I’m actually getting to where Alan was at a while back and ready to move on. Anybody who wants to continue to make posts though can keep posting away. If I see something relevant or something so stupid I can’t control myself, I’ll reply.

    Great thread!

    The thread did have one positive aspect, it sealed your reputation forever going forward Bob21. NOT IN A GOOD WAY.

  12. #152
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    I can tell you're never going to answer that question in red.
    Hey tableplay, I told you I gave you a passing grade. I can see you’re finally getting the point I’m making. You don’t need to keep begging me to pass my course. You officially passed it! I’m proud of you.

    As for me, I’ve learned all I’m going to learn from this thread (and my internet research) and I know you’re gonna want to keep making some meaningless point about X and Y. To be honest with you, I’d rather talk about the Ps and Qs. Lol.

    I’m actually getting to where Alan was at a while back and ready to move on. Anybody who wants to continue to make posts though can keep posting away. If I see something relevant or something so stupid I can’t control myself, I’ll reply.

    Great thread!

    The thread did have one positive aspect, it sealed your reputation forever going forward Bob21. NOT IN A GOOD WAY.
    Say it isn’t so Bosox. Have I really sealed my reputation “forever” with the AP community? I thinks that’s a little unfair since you never gave me the AP code of conduct manual. I was just flying by the seat of my paints so it’s understandable I’d probably make a couple mistakes.

    As you know, the AP community (people who slink around casinos trying to take money from them) is the most highly respected community on the planet. This is highest value way to make money and contribute to our fellowman. I hope there is some way I can redeem myself with this community.

    I’m heartbroken right now. Where did I go wrong?
    Last edited by Bob21; 04-06-2019 at 05:41 PM.

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