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  1. #61
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    Keep struggling to figure it out BLOB. Now you are the defective detective.
    You got me there Bobo. That’s why you’re the best, you’re Bobo, the forum defective. Btw, I’ve no idea where you’re going with this.

    Look, I get why you’re upset. I’ve popped the ballon to your world. I’ve showed you how our government and AP are really the bad guys. The casino is the good guy, doing exactly what it’s sopposed to do when our government approved them.

    You’re now struggling with accepting and understanding this. I never said forum detectives like you are smart. They are driven to find small inconsistencies that are meaningless. They aren’t smart enough to see “the big picture”. This isn’t you’re fault. That’s why some people call you “Bobo, the clown”. As for me, you’ll always be “Bobo, forum detective.”
    Last edited by Bob21; 04-01-2019 at 07:01 PM.

  2. #62
    Bob21, you think the two statements are the same when they are not. They're not even close. If it were true then Casino Ownership would set up the casino as a non-profit (or not-for-profit perhaps) and give all proceeds to the government less operating expenses. But they don't, they increase their wealth from the profits of the casino (which has been set up as a For Profit business) and only give what they are required to give by state and federal mandate. You can think the statements are the same, no one can stop you.

  3. #63
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Bob21, you think the two statements are the same when they are not. They're not even close. If it were true then Casino Ownership would set up the casino as a non-profit (or not-for-profit perhaps) and give all proceeds to the government less operating expenses. But they don't, they increase their wealth from the profits of the casino (which has been set up as a For Profit business) and only give what they are required to give by state and federal mandate. You can think the statements are the same, no one can stop you.
    Tableplay, you have not answered my question: Why do governments approve casinos? I’ll give you two choices: 1) for the interests of our government or 2) for the interests of the casinos.

    If you believe the answer is 2 (which is what most APs believe) then the second question is why would a self-governing government only care about the interests of casinos, knowing all the downsides that come with casinos?

    I’ve read about 50 gambling books and most of them are negative on casinos, but none of them seem to understand why casinos are operating in the first place. I’m hoping you can shed some light on this, since you appear to be somewhat intelligent.

    As far as any business being set up as a non-profit organization that is doing something for for our government, this is not how things work. Check out all the defense contractors. They are private businesses, making as much money as they can for their shareholders, but doing work for the government. Lockheed Martin Corp is a $88 Billion dollar private company but makes over 95% of its money from government contracts. In our country, having private business doing things has been shown to work out better than having our govenrments own things, like is done in socialists and communists governments.

  4. #64
    Bob, you ask really stupid questions, and you have no idea how an AP thinks anyway.

  5. #65
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    Bob, you ask really stupid questions, and you have no idea how an AP thinks anyway.
    Hey Bobo, forum detective, if they were stupid questions, you’d think tableplay, DGenBen or you could answer them.

    Have you noticed none of you can. You can play the “gotcha” game, but you can’t answer relatively simple questions.

    Why? Because if you answered them you’d probably see I’m right. Right or wrong, our state and local governments approve casinos for their own interests, which is to raise revenue for state and local governments. The byproduct is some casino “fat cats” get wealthy, and crime, divorces, and bankruptcies increase. Since governments continue to approve casinos that means they are willing to live with these downsides.

    As far as how APs think, you’re probably right, I don’t know how they think. I do know how reasonable people think who are born with a half a brain. Lol. And I did sleep in a Holliday Inn Express last night, if that counts for something.

  6. #66
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    Keep struggling to figure it out BLOB. Now you are the defective detective.
    You got me there Bobo. That’s why you’re the best, you’re Bobo, the forum defective. Btw, I’ve no idea where you’re going with this.

    Look, I get why you’re upset. I’ve popped the ballon to your world. I’ve showed you how our government and AP are really the bad guys. The casino is the good guy, doing exactly what it’s sopposed to do when our government approved them.

    You’re now struggling with accepting and understanding this. I never said forum detectives like you are smart. They are driven to find small inconsistencies that are meaningless. They aren’t smart enough to see “the big picture”. This isn’t you’re fault. That’s why some people call you “Bobo, the clown”. As for me, you’ll always be “Bobo, forum detective.”
    No. Government isn't bad. Government provides a license and also provides checks and balances on both casinos and players. It's the FEDERAL government which regulates Indian casinos because gaming is now a federal jurisdiction. I'm surprised no one has mentioned that.

    APs aren't bad guys either. They play in casinos to the best of their abilities within the law.

    Casinos aren't bad either as long as they also operate under the appropriate laws and regulations.

    Bob21 why must anyone be "bad"?

  7. #67
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    Keep struggling to figure it out BLOB. Now you are the defective detective.
    You got me there Bobo. That’s why you’re the best, you’re Bobo, the forum defective. Btw, I’ve no idea where you’re going with this.

    Look, I get why you’re upset. I’ve popped the ballon to your world. I’ve showed you how our government and AP are really the bad guys. The casino is the good guy, doing exactly what it’s supposed to do when our government approved them.

    You’re now struggling with accepting and understanding this. I never said forum detectives like you are smart. They are driven to find small inconsistencies that are meaningless. They aren’t smart enough to see “the big picture”. This isn’t you’re fault. That’s why some people call you “Bobo, the clown”. As for me, you’ll always be “Bobo, forum detective.”
    No. Government isn't bad. Government provides a license and also provides checks and balances on both casinos and players. It's the FEDERAL government which regulates Indian casinos because gaming is now a federal jurisdiction. I'm surprised no one has mentioned that.

    APs aren't bad guys either. They play in casinos to the best of their abilities within the law.

    Casinos aren't bad either as long as they also operate under the appropriate laws and regulations.

    Bob21 why must anyone be "bad"?
    Agreed! I’m an AP too. My point is if your going to call casinos “bad guys”, then the government and APs are “bad guys” too. If you were looking a pecking order on where the three entities land on the “bad” scale, I’d rate them in the following order worst to best:

    1) Government
    2) AP
    3) Casino

    My point is APs continuously criticize casinos, mainly for things outside of their control, like bankruptcies increasing when they come to a new area. If APs hate casinos so much they should take it up with our government for approving them. They should quite making the casino out to be the bad guy. The casinos are functioning the way they should.

    Like you said, there really isn’t any bad guys if we’re all operating within the law.

    Good post. Thanks for coming to my defense. Good to hear you don’t think casinos are the bad guy.
    Last edited by Bob21; 04-02-2019 at 09:19 AM.

  8. #68
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    Keep struggling to figure it out BLOB. Now you are the defective detective.
    You got me there Bobo. That’s why you’re the best, you’re Bobo, the forum defective. Btw, I’ve no idea where you’re going with this.

    Look, I get why you’re upset. I’ve popped the ballon to your world. I’ve showed you how our government and AP are really the bad guys. The casino is the good guy, doing exactly what it’s sopposed to do when our government approved them.

    You’re now struggling with accepting and understanding this. I never said forum detectives like you are smart. They are driven to find small inconsistencies that are meaningless. They aren’t smart enough to see “the big picture”. This isn’t you’re fault. That’s why some people call you “Bobo, the clown”. As for me, you’ll always be “Bobo, forum detective.”
    No. Government isn't bad. Government provides a license and also provides checks and balances on both casinos and players. It's the FEDERAL government which regulates Indian casinos because gaming is now a federal jurisdiction. I'm surprised no one has mentioned that.

    APs aren't bad guys either. They play in casinos to the best of their abilities within the law.

    Casinos aren't bad either as long as they also operate under the appropriate laws and regulations.

    Bob21 why must anyone be "bad"?
    Alan, one more comment about our Federal govenrments regulating Indian casinos. Yes, that’s right. But it is local and state governments that allow them to come in. Casinos are typically approved by voters. I know this happened when the Indian casinos came into Arizona. The Arizona people voted yes for the Indian casino initiative since the state and local governments got to share some of the revenues from these casinos.

    In my area, casinos come up on the ballot every election cycle and so far my community has voted no, so we don’t have casinos in my city, even though we have a lot of casinos in our state.

    The Federal government cannot force a state or city to have Indian casinos. That’s why there are still some states with no casinos.

    Point being, casinos are a unique business so they need to be approved by voters and governments.

    When a casino opens, no one should ever criticize it, unless it is operating outside the law.

  9. #69
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post

    You got me there Bobo. That’s why you’re the best, you’re Bobo, the forum defective. Btw, I’ve no idea where you’re going with this.

    Look, I get why you’re upset. I’ve popped the ballon to your world. I’ve showed you how our government and AP are really the bad guys. The casino is the good guy, doing exactly what it’s supposed to do when our government approved them.

    You’re now struggling with accepting and understanding this. I never said forum detectives like you are smart. They are driven to find small inconsistencies that are meaningless. They aren’t smart enough to see “the big picture”. This isn’t you’re fault. That’s why some people call you “Bobo, the clown”. As for me, you’ll always be “Bobo, forum detective.”
    No. Government isn't bad. Government provides a license and also provides checks and balances on both casinos and players. It's the FEDERAL government which regulates Indian casinos because gaming is now a federal jurisdiction. I'm surprised no one has mentioned that.

    APs aren't bad guys either. They play in casinos to the best of their abilities within the law.

    Casinos aren't bad either as long as they also operate under the appropriate laws and regulations.

    Bob21 why must anyone be "bad"?
    Agreed! I’m an AP too. My point is if your going to call casinos “bad guys”, then the government and APs are “bad guys” too. If you were looking a pecking order on where the three entities land on the “bad” scale, I’d rate them in the following order worst to best:

    1) Government
    2) AP
    3) Casino

    We already knew how the blob would rate them. No surprise there.


    Now I would go with :


    1 Casinos

    2 Government

    3 If I have to, AP's

    Of course the choice of choosing between 1, and 2 for the top spot is difficult as you can not get much lower than the Government itself but what puts casinos in the top spot is a totally complete lack of compassion, and a streight forward onesided vision. Bob you said in an earlier thread that a degenerate gambler may lose their paycheck in a casino, but the welfare dept. will issue him another one and that part is true. The casino in turn may buy you a free lunch period.


    Now some AP's including myself are in fact are real cheap on tipping dealers "strictly as a matter of principle" but did you know that many of these same AP's "including myself" are generous with worthwhile charities. Surprised Bob?
    Last edited by BoSox; 04-02-2019 at 10:06 AM.

  10. #70
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post

    No. Government isn't bad. Government provides a license and also provides checks and balances on both casinos and players. It's the FEDERAL government which regulates Indian casinos because gaming is now a federal jurisdiction. I'm surprised no one has mentioned that.

    APs aren't bad guys either. They play in casinos to the best of their abilities within the law.

    Casinos aren't bad either as long as they also operate under the appropriate laws and regulations.

    Bob21 why must anyone be "bad"?
    Agreed! I’m an AP too. My point is if your going to call casinos “bad guys”, then the government and APs are “bad guys” too. If you were looking a pecking order on where the three entities land on the “bad” scale, I’d rate them in the following order worst to best:

    1) Government
    2) AP
    3) Casino

    We already knew how the blob would rate them. No surprise there.


    Now I would go with :


    1 Casinos

    2 Government

    3 If I have to, AP's

    Of course the choice of choosing between 1, and 2 for the top spot is difficult as you can not get much lower than the Government itself but what puts casinos in the top spot is a totally complete lack of compassion, and a streight forward onesided vision. Bob you said in an earlier thread that a degenerate gambler may lose their paycheck in a casino, but the welfare dept. will issue him another one and that part is true. The casino in turn may buy you a free lunch period.


    Now some AP's including myself are in fact are real cheap on tipping dealers "strictly as a matter of principle" but did you know that many of these same AP's "including myself" are generous with worthwhile charities. Surprised Bob?
    Hey Bobo, here’s why I rated casinos better than APs.

    The casinos are providing value to society by giving communities entertainment and revenue for state and local governments.

    APs are providing no value to society when they win their money from casinos. They are basically hurting local economies by indirectly extracting revenue from state and local governments.

    I think you called APs cockroaches. I’ve always preferred to calls us parasites. Probably because I’ve always had a higher opinion of parasites than cockroaches, but that’s just me.

    I want to be clear an AP is not “bad”, just as a welfare recipient is not “bad”. What they are both doing is legal. One gets their money directly from the government, while the other one gets their money indirectly from the government from our government’s voluntary tax centers run by private businesses (casinos).

    By the way, you have some interesting “principles”, stiffing dealers on their income. Like or not, part of a dealer’s pay is dependent on tips. My “principles” don’t allow me to stiff people working in tip related jobs. I tip and support quite a few charities, as well as my church. Does that disqualify me from being an official AP?

  11. #71
    I called you the cockroach Bob, as I have respect for AP's

  12. #72
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    I called you the cockroach Bob, as I have respect for AP's
    Sorry about that Bosox. I thought you were calling all APs cockroaches. I would never do that. I think too highly of APs to call them cockroaches. That’s why I use the word parasites.

    Glad we got that cleared up. Lol

  13. #73
    Has anybody noticed that we’re now going on day 2 and neither Tableplay, DGenBen or Bosox can answer my very simple question:

    Why do governments approve casinos?

    They are good at the “gotcha” game, catching people on some minor inconsistency but when it comes to answering a very simple question, they scatter like cockroaches. Oh no, I didn’t say that did I? Sorry Bosox, I just called you and your two buddy forum detectives a cockroach. Lol

  14. #74
    Blob21 wrote in post # 70:

    "APs are providing no value to society when they win their money from casinos. They are basically hurting local economies by indirectly extracting revenue from state and local governments."


    First, you want to ignore what I already told you that a good percentage of money won by AP's is re-invested through banks and financial institutions and is used to generate loans by the local economy.


    I want to challenge your above quote as it pertains to a large section of the East coast that covers two decades. Specifically the two huge tribes on their own land located in the state of Connecticut and the agreement they have with the State. Both casinos give a large percentage I believe 25% of the slots profits and Zero percent for all table games revenue to the state. Now huge percentages of AP's who went and played and still are playing there played table games resulting in not a loss of a dime to the state due to table wins by AP's. The only money the state itself lost was and still is was to slot AP's and that also is somewhat debateable because when a machine is ready to hit it hits regardless of who is sitting there. So bottom line what you are saying Bob does not apply in all sections of the country.


    BLob 21 again in post#70 wrote:


    "I want to be clear an AP is not “bad”, just as a welfare recipient is not “bad”. What they are both doing is legal. One gets their money directly from the government, while the other one gets their money indirectly from the government from our government’s voluntary tax centers run by private businesses (casinos)."

    That is how you look at it but it is still wrong and you know it. What casinos pay the government is considered an expense just like the electric bill. Part of the cost of doing business period.
    Last edited by BoSox; 04-02-2019 at 05:49 PM.

  15. #75
    Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    Blob21 wrote in post # 70:

    "APs are providing no value to society when they win their money from casinos. They are basically hurting local economies by indirectly extracting revenue from state and local governments."


    First, you want to ignore what I already told you that a good percentage of money won by AP's is re-invested through banks and financial institutions and is used to generate loans by the local economy.


    I want to challenge your above quote as it pertains to a large section of the East coast that covers two decades. Specifically the two huge tribes on their own land located in the state of Connecticut and the agreement they have with the State. Both casinos give a large percentage I believe 25% of the slots profits and Zero percent for all table games revenue to the state. Now huge percentages of AP's who went and played and still are playing there played table games resulting in not a loss of a dime to the state due to table wins by AP's. The only money the state itself lost was and still is was to slot AP's and that also is somewhat debateable because when a machine is ready to hit it hits regardless of who is sitting there. So bottom line what you are saying Bob does not apply in all sections of the country.


    BLob 21 again in post#70 wrote:


    "I want to be clear an AP is not “bad”, just as a welfare recipient is not “bad”. What they are both doing is legal. One gets their money directly from the government, while the other one gets their money indirectly from the government from our government’s voluntary tax centers run by private businesses (casinos)."

    That is how you look at it but it is still wrong and you know it. What casinos pay the government is considered an expense just like the electric bill. Part of the cost of doing business period.
    Hey Bosox, I got to give you a shout out, you really try. Most the time I can’t figure out what you’re saying, but at least you fight back. I actually respect that! You’re not like your two deputies, tableplay and DGenBen, who run for the hills when they can see their guns (think brains) have no bullets.

    You’re definitely Chief Forum Defective and there is nobody in your ballpark. I think your deputies have given up on the “gotcha” forum defective games. You’re probably going to have to run this show by yourself going forward.

    As far as Kj, since he won't answer my questions on Stanford Wong, I expect he too has whimpered off. Kj’s silence most likely means I’m right and I am correctly quoting Stanford Wong. It’s good to know Stanford and I are on the same side of the coin on APing.

    Bosox, you've got to remember I’m in a MORE exclusive club than Mr. Wong. He’s only in the Blackjack Hall of Fame, where they’ll let anybody in, including ploppies like Don Johnson. I’m in an exclusive club with Zee. We got much tighter standards than the BJ Hall of Fame. We aren’t going to let any ‘ol ploppy into our club.

    Now back to your point Bosox. I get that APs reinvest some of the money they make from casinos. Welfare recepits also do the same thing, thus helping the economy. You’re still missing my point. As an AP, you did nothing of value to earn your money. That’s my point. At least the casino created entertainment when they made their money. That’s why I rate casinos over APs in the good guy/bad guy scale.

    With this said, this is no slap in the face to APs. I’m one too. I try to win money from casinos too. When I retire, I plan to spend more time APing. I like casinos and I see nothing wrong with trying to win some money from casinos...but I also don’t think I’m doing anything of value when I do this.

    Anyway, I like your fighting spirit Bosox. This is something that is lacking in the AP community. I really liked the way you’ve taken on Norm. You have some courage and you’ve made some good points in your recent post on BJTF. I was surprised Norm didn’t censor some of your posts. He’s censored some of mine so I don’t post on BJTF much anymore.

    That’s one thing I really like about this site. Dan believes in freedom of speech and doesn’t censor people. If he did, he’d probably have censored and kicked the bubbling lunatic kj off this site a long time ago.
    Last edited by Bob21; 04-02-2019 at 09:25 PM.

  16. #76
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    I’ve read about 50 gambling books and most of them are negative on casinos, but none of them seem to understand why casinos are operating in the first place. I’m hoping you can shed some light on this, since you appear to be somewhat intelligent.
    Sure no problem - casinos operate in the first place because their owners wish to make a lot of money.
    The remainder of your questions fall into two categories:
    1) Based on straw men/false premises that no one here ever stated - except you so you could ask questions based on them and argue against them (moving targets created from the debunking of the original assertion)
    2) Have nothing to do with the original topic. Example: Bob21 (paraphrased):"casinos operate for the purpose of making money for the government" followed by a non-sequitur question like "If casinos are operating for the purpose of making money then why do you continue to believe the sky is not blue?"

    I will not answer questions which fall into either of the above two categories and I could care less if you are upset about that.

  17. #77
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Sure no problem - casinos operate in the first place because their owners wish to make a lot of money.
    Wrong. Bad answer. You flunk the test.

    The first reason casinos operate is because states and local government give them the power to operate. This is the primary reason casinos are operating. Without government’s approval, they could not operate.

    The next question is why do state and local governments approve casinos when everybody knows the downsides that come along with casinos? Because of the revenue, and jobs, casinos generate for their community and local and state governments.

    Your answer above is a byproduct of what happens when a casino is allowed to operate by the government. It is the NOT the first reason governments approve casinos.

    As a side note, APs are the only people in the world that don’t know everybody in the world already knows there are negatives that come along with casinos. How do I know this? Everytime I say something to defend a casino, I get some naive AP sending me an article about the negatives of casinos. I think I’ve got about 20 of these article by now.

  18. #78
    Bob21... what the hell is the point of this?

  19. #79
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Bob21... what the hell is the point of this?
    Alan, the point is APs should quite criticizing casinos. Casinos are doing what they are supposed to do. Why criticize a business for doing what it is supposed to do?

    Look at the stupid answer I got from tableplay above. He doesn’t even know why govenrments allow casinos into their community. He thinks the first reason is for the interests of the casinos. Why are APs so dumb?

  20. #80
    Casinos exist because the people want them too.

    And casinos are doing whay they are supposed to? They're "supposed to" provide gambling games to the public win or lose.

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