Anti gambling, anti casinos

[Bob21]

Bob21, please answer my post #87 in the thread?

Hey Bosox, I missed post #86, otherwise I’d have responded. I just read it, and thought it was good, with the exception of your last sentence: “There is only one choice left to blame, the no good f.... casinos.” This in a nutshell is my problem with APs.

Casinos are doing excatly what they have been commissioned to do by the voters and our government so why do so many APs criticize them?

When I defend casinos, I get attacked endlessly by the AP crowd. I think I got at least 10 articles sent to me by the BJTF goofballs showing me the evils of casinos. When I defended casinos on BJA, the same thing happened. When I defended casinos here, same thing. I think it was Mickey and jbjb who sent me articles or explained to me the evils of casinos.

I’ve come to the conclusion APs are the only people in the world that don’t know everybody in the world understands the unintended downsides that occur when a casino opens in a local area. It’s not the casino’s fault this happens. It’s the nature of a casino’s business and a free society that makes this inevitable.

Alan, asked me what’s my point. My point is APs should quite criticizing casinos....and they should stop sending me all these articles on the evils of casinos. If they feel so strongly casinos are evil, they should work to get them shut down. Being an AP doesn’t accomplish anything. This doesn’t make APing wrong or bad, but nobody should think it’s accomplishing anything. I like being an AP weekend warrior, but I don’t think I’m accomplishing anything except making money for myself, and helping some lower paid casino staff through tipping. Tipping is my way to give back to an industry I love and respect.

I am NOT a casino employee (as some think), but I will always defend casinos from some of the stupid accusations APs make against them. You’d think casinos caused world hungry the way most APs complain about them.

If we can all agree casinos are doing nothing wrong, then we will all get along. Casinos are providing a value (that of entertainment) to society for the people who gamble responsibly, which as Alan has pointed out is the majority. And casinos are providing jobs and a revenue stream for state and local governments. All good things!

Who cares? Casinos are good casinos are bad. Who gives a shit? Why are you so obsessed with this?

I’m not. I’m just answering Bobo forum detective‘s question. I don’t know if you’ve noticed but Bobo and me have a special bond. We’re thinking of taking a road trip together to visit Moses. Bobo is still trying to see if he can get approval from his wife to make this happen.

Do you have a problem with Bobo and me debating this topic?

Do you want this thread shut down since you don’t have the discipline (like Alan) to not open and read it?

Here’s a tip for you: When you see this thread just don’t open it. That tip is good for Alan too. Lol

[BoSox]

[QUOTE=Bob21;86170]

If we can all agree casinos are doing nothing wrong, then we will all get along. Casinos are providing a value (that of entertainment) to society for the people who gamble responsibly, which as Alan has pointed out is the majority. And casinos are providing jobs and a revenue stream for state and local governments. All good things!

Yes casinos provide jobs but they also force out small businesses that cannot compete such as restaurants and small clubs etc. The state and the local governments do receive a nice revenue stream but so does the cost of hiring extra police patrols, and city public services, and the wear and tear on the infrastructure in the city. Now here is the biggest and most important part the money's that the local and state governments recieve from the casinos represents only a much smaller fraction of the actual money that leaves the state forever never to return again. The voters got exactly what they asked for. Casinos, you praise them, and I despise them end of story.

[BoSox]

Blob21 wrote:

"I’m not. I’m just answering Bobo forum detective‘s question. I don’t know if you’ve noticed but Bobo and me have a special bond. We’re thinking of taking a road trip together to visit Moses. Bobo is still trying to see if he can get approval from his wife to make this happen."

How did you know my wife said no? Actually in reality my wife is in poor health and I could not go even if I wanted to.

[Alan Mendelson]

BoSox just posted something interesting about other small businesses. There is a 24 hour restaurant across from Red Rock. I've never seen anyone in there in the overnight hours... but the 24-hour Grand Cafe is always busy, and not necessarily with players.

The Grand Cafe actually has better food and lower prices. I get their grilled salmon for $17.99 (it used to be $14.99 about six months ago) that "outside restaurants" charge $25 for.

[Bob21]

Blob21 wrote:

"I’m not. I’m just answering Bobo forum detective‘s question. I don’t know if you’ve noticed but Bobo and me have a special bond. We’re thinking of taking a road trip together to visit Moses. Bobo is still trying to see if he can get approval from his wife to make this happen."

How did you know my wife said no? Actually in reality my wife is in poor health and I could not go even if I wanted to.

Sorry to hear that. I pray your wife’s health improves!

But I did mean that when I said I felt a special bond with you. At least you try to argue your point, and don’t do what most APs do when they are incapable of defending what they beleive....they go into name calling mode and want to censor people. By the way, that is the hallmark of liberalism. That’s why I can see there’s some hope for you. You like to engage people who have different beliefs than you, and you know what you believe.

I’ve seen you take on some peole at BJTF, and I agreed with your point. I didn’t come to your defense since I figured it’d just backfire. Most APs don’t look at the content of a person’s post. They only care who made it. I guess they missed Martin Lurther King’s Speach.

[UCFX]

How did you know my wife said no? Actually in reality my wife is in poor health and I could not go even if I wanted to.

Sorry to hear about your wife Bosox. We hope and pray she gets better. Bring her along. It'll be a hoot. Especially if she likes to shop. Sorry Bob. They get the guest bedroom. Now you get the sofa.

BoSox just posted something interesting about other small businesses. There is a 24 hour restaurant across from Red Rock. I've never seen anyone in there in the overnight hours... but the 24-hour Grand Cafe is always busy, and not necessarily with players.

The Grand Cafe actually has better food and lower prices. I get their grilled salmon for $17.99 (it used to be $14.99 about six months ago) that "outside restaurants" charge $25 for.

Hi Alan. You handsome devil you. That is a good deal for grilled salmon. We get it at seafood night at Atlantis. Grilled salmon and all the different kinds of shrimp you can EAT. We will take Bob when he visits. He can start a new thread about the shrimp alone.

"Anyway, like I was sayin', shrimp is the fruit of the sea. You can barbecue it, boil it, broil it, bake it, saute it. There's uh, shrimp-kabobs, shrimp creole, shrimp gumbo. Pan fried, deep fried, stir-fried. There's pineapple shrimp, lemon shrimp, coconut shrimp, pepper shrimp, shrimp soup, shrimp stew, shrimp salad, shrimp and potatoes, shrimp burger, shrimp sandwich. That- that's about it."

I guess they missed Martin Lurther King’s Speach.

redeitz had a dream about Singer. Does that count?

I prefer JFK "it's not what you can do for your country. But what your country can do for you." I know, I know. But it has seemed to evolve that way over the years. No? Of course, APs sub the word casino for country.

The END

Bob we would like to see your talents in many more threads to come. Time for another!

[DGenBen]

Blob21 wrote:

"I’m not. I’m just answering Bobo forum detective‘s question. I don’t know if you’ve noticed but Bobo and me have a special bond. We’re thinking of taking a road trip together to visit Moses. Bobo is still trying to see if he can get approval from his wife to make this happen."

How did you know my wife said no? Actually in reality my wife is in poor health and I could not go even if I wanted to.

Sorry to hear that. I pray your wife’s health improves!

But I did mean that when I said I felt a special bond with you. At least you try to argue your point, and don’t do what most APs do when they are incapable of defending what they beleive....they go into name calling mode and want to censor people. By the way, that is the hallmark of liberalism. That’s why I can see there’s some hope for you. You like to engage people who have different beliefs than you, and you know what you believe.

I’ve seen you take on some peole at BJTF, and I agreed with your point. I didn’t come to your defense since I figured it’d just backfire. Most APs don’t look at the content of a person’s post. They only care who made it. I guess they missed Martin Lurther King’s Speach.

Sorry also to hear about your wife's health also Bosox!

Bob21,

Your quote "At least you try to argue your point, and don’t do what most APs do when they are incapable of defending what they beleive....they go into name calling mode and want to censor people. By the way, that is the hallmark of liberalism. That’s why I can see there’s some hope for you. You like to engage people who have different beliefs than you, and you know what you believe."

This is a perfect description of what you do. If anyone questions any of your logic you never respond, you just call them names like Liberal. But you still wont explain why you have so many liberal views or answer why you are so passionate about defending casinos.

You are not an honest debater, you simply ignore criticisms and attack and insult. You are entertaining though I will give you that.

So I'll ask you again even though I know you will ignore this question too since you can never defend any postion you take. Why the obsession with defending casinos? Why not single mothers or animal shelters? Thats OK i know you dont have the balls to actually engage in a discussion, answer a question or defend any of your positions so dont bother answering. You are too much of a coward.

By the way for the record I love casinos! I also like the fact the casino's try to keep APs out. If they didnt protect thier games there is always the possibility that they wouldn't be able to stay in business or they would have to offer much tighter games and then there would be no place to make money. By trying to keep APs out they get rid of the weaker ones that are too stupid to be subtle and then there are more juicy plays for the stronger ones that can keep it on the down low.

I wish they would just legalize gambling across the country already. Yum Yum YUm!

[BoSox]

Thank you, everyone, for your concern.

[Bob21]

Blob21 wrote:

"I’m not. I’m just answering Bobo forum detective‘s question. I don’t know if you’ve noticed but Bobo and me have a special bond. We’re thinking of taking a road trip together to visit Moses. Bobo is still trying to see if he can get approval from his wife to make this happen."

How did you know my wife said no? Actually in reality my wife is in poor health and I could not go even if I wanted to.

Sorry to hear that. I pray your wife’s health improves!

But I did mean that when I said I felt a special bond with you. At least you try to argue your point, and don’t do what most APs do when they are incapable of defending what they beleive....they go into name calling mode and want to censor people. By the way, that is the hallmark of liberalism. That’s why I can see there’s some hope for you. You like to engage people who have different beliefs than you, and you know what you believe.

I’ve seen you take on some peole at BJTF, and I agreed with your point. I didn’t come to your defense since I figured it’d just backfire. Most APs don’t look at the content of a person’s post. They only care who made it. I guess they missed Martin Lurther King’s Speach.

Sorry also to hear about your wife's health also Bosox!

Bob21,

Your quote "At least you try to argue your point, and don’t do what most APs do when they are incapable of defending what they beleive....they go into name calling mode and want to censor people. By the way, that is the hallmark of liberalism. That’s why I can see there’s some hope for you. You like to engage people who have different beliefs than you, and you know what you believe."

This is a perfect description of what you do. If anyone questions any of your logic you never respond, you just call them names like Liberal. But you still wont explain why you have so many liberal views or answer why you are so passionate about defending casinos.

You are not an honest debater, you simply ignore criticisms and attack and insult. You are entertaining though I will give you that.

So I'll ask you again even though I know you will ignore this question too since you can never defend any postion you take. Why the obsession with defending casinos? Why not single mothers or animal shelters? Thats OK i know you dont have the balls to actually engage in a discussion, answer a question or defend any of your positions so dont bother answering. You are too much of a coward.

By the way for the record I love casinos! I also like the fact the casino's try to keep APs out. If they didnt protect thier games there is always the possibility that they wouldn't be able to stay in business or they would have to offer much tighter games and then there would be no place to make money. By trying to keep APs out they get rid of the weaker ones that are too stupid to be subtle and then there are more juicy plays for the stronger ones that can keep it on the down low.

I wish they would just legalize gambling across the country already. Yum Yum YUm!

Hey Bosox, this is what I love about you. I had to read your post 6 times and I still don’t know if you’re criticizing me or praising me. At least, I know you want me to defend single mothers and animal shelters.

Okay, I’m for them too. You’ve convinced me. These are forgotten groups. If anybody criticizes these two groups, I’m coming at them with two barrels blazing. That’s my new cause. Bobo is right, there are not enough people defending these groups. If anybody on this forum attacks them, you’ve got me to deal with.

And in the future, I will NEVER ignore your questions. I didn’t know I was doing that. You’re about the only AP that engages me anyway. The rest have shunned me because I’ve defended casinos for doing what they’re business model calls for.

By the way, name one liberal view I have. I agree there is no worst name to call someone than a liberal. That’s the lowest form of humanity. If I have a liberal view, please point it out to me, so I can extract it from my mind.

And it’s good to hear you love casinos and you like they try to keep APs out. We’re on the same page there.

As far as why I’m so passionate about defending casinos, I’ve always been for the little guy always getting attacked. Casinos are the little guy being attacked by everyone, liberals, conservatives, media and of course APs. This has never made any sense to me. They are just doing what they are supposed to do. I know of NO bad casino. I have NEVER visited a bad casino. I’m sure they are out there...I’ve just never known one. So why do I defend them? I will always defend anyone from false accusations. It’s my moral code.

When your wife gets better, are you still up for a trip to Reno? Moses said he’d give you the good bed. I’m fine on the couch or the blowup mattress or on the floor. I think us three would have a good time. You aren’t like most APs; you can hang with people who think different than you.

And as far as your posts, you really need to take Mose’s advice so I don’t have to read them six times to figure out what you’re saying.

[DGenBen]

Sorry to hear that. I pray your wife’s health improves!

But I did mean that when I said I felt a special bond with you. At least you try to argue your point, and don’t do what most APs do when they are incapable of defending what they beleive....they go into name calling mode and want to censor people. By the way, that is the hallmark of liberalism. That’s why I can see there’s some hope for you. You like to engage people who have different beliefs than you, and you know what you believe.

I’ve seen you take on some peole at BJTF, and I agreed with your point. I didn’t come to your defense since I figured it’d just backfire. Most APs don’t look at the content of a person’s post. They only care who made it. I guess they missed Martin Lurther King’s Speach.

Sorry also to hear about your wife's health also Bosox!

Bob21,

Your quote "At least you try to argue your point, and don’t do what most APs do when they are incapable of defending what they beleive....they go into name calling mode and want to censor people. By the way, that is the hallmark of liberalism. That’s why I can see there’s some hope for you. You like to engage people who have different beliefs than you, and you know what you believe."

This is a perfect description of what you do. If anyone questions any of your logic you never respond, you just call them names like Liberal. But you still wont explain why you have so many liberal views or answer why you are so passionate about defending casinos.

You are not an honest debater, you simply ignore criticisms and attack and insult. You are entertaining though I will give you that.

So I'll ask you again even though I know you will ignore this question too since you can never defend any postion you take. Why the obsession with defending casinos? Why not single mothers or animal shelters? Thats OK i know you dont have the balls to actually engage in a discussion, answer a question or defend any of your positions so dont bother answering. You are too much of a coward.

By the way for the record I love casinos! I also like the fact the casino's try to keep APs out. If they didnt protect thier games there is always the possibility that they wouldn't be able to stay in business or they would have to offer much tighter games and then there would be no place to make money. By trying to keep APs out they get rid of the weaker ones that are too stupid to be subtle and then there are more juicy plays for the stronger ones that can keep it on the down low.

I wish they would just legalize gambling across the country already. Yum Yum YUm!

Hey Bosox, this is what I love about you. I had to read your post 6 times and I still don’t know if you’re criticizing me or praising me. At least, I know you want me to defend single mothers and animal shelters.

Okay, I’m for them too. You’ve convinced me. These are forgotten groups. If anybody criticizes these two groups, I’m coming at them with two barrels blazing. That’s my new cause. Bobo is right, there are not enough people defending these groups. If anybody on this forum attacks them, you’ve got me to deal with.

And in the future, I will NEVER ignore your questions. I didn’t know I was doing that. You’re about the only AP that engages me anyway. The rest have shunned me because I’ve defended casinos for doing what they’re business model calls for.

By the way, name one liberal view I have. I agree there is no worst name to call someone than a liberal. That’s the lowest form of humanity. If I have a liberal view, please point it out to me, so I can extract it from my mind.

And it’s good to hear you love casinos and you like they try to keep APs out. We’re on the same page there.

As far as why I’m so passionate about defending casinos, I’ve always been for the little guy always getting attacked. Casinos are the little guy being attacked by everyone, liberals, conservatives, media and of course APs. This has never made any sense to me. They are just doing what they are supposed to do. I know of NO bad casino. I have NEVER visited a bad casino. I’m sure they are out there...I’ve just never known one. So why do I defend them? I will always defend anyone from false accusations. It’s my moral code.

When your wife gets better, are you still up for a trip to Reno? Moses said he’d give you the good bed. I’m fine on the couch or the blowup mattress or on the floor. I think us three would have a good time. You aren’t like most APs; you can hang with people who think different than you.

And as far as your posts, you really need to take Mose’s advice so I don’t have to read them six times to figure out what you’re saying.

You keep getting me and Bosox confused but thats OK. How do you figure Casinos are the little guys? Dont they have billions and huge lobbys? (Not sure if you really mean this or are being sarcastic so well done if its the latter)

You keep bashing liberals but if I have understood your positions correctly you dont like that APs take money that would go to taxes and the government otherwise? Is that your position? (Conservatives usually prefer money stays in the hands of the public as they are better at allocating money than the government at least in conservative point of view)

You also imply since APs contribute nothing to society it would be better for society if they got regular jobs. Is that your position? If it is there is nothing wrong with that opinon but it is not a traditonally conservative opinon as conservatives have no problem with profit for profits sake. Liberals are usually the ones that are concerned with social implications of how money is spent and allocated.

So Ive asked you these things several times and youve ignored each time. Would love to have a serious discussiom if thats what you are here for. We shall see if you want to have an honest discussin or are just clowning around.

[UCFX]

At least, I know you want me to defend single mothers.

Speaking of single mothers (sort of). Moses became a grandpa today. His daughter and 8lb 10oz grandson are doing fine. However, the 6'8" 300lb father had passed out in the chair from all the stress. Lucky for him they were in a hospital.

At least, I know you want me to defend animal shelters..

Funny story. Moses had a 4 legged best friend for 15 years. His name was Pre after the runner. He wanted a dog to run with his kids along the canals etc. But they saw this sick looking little puppy and thus Pre became the family dog. He loved being the center of attention. But when Moses moved to Reno, Pre was alone quite often. So he would escape and get caught. Moses would go to the animals shelter to pick him up at about $200 a pop.

Now Pre was so friendly. He didn't go in the back with the rest of the dogs. Rather he'd lay at the secretaries feet in her office. Pre equated jumping in a van with going for a run. So anytime he'd see a van door open, he'd jump in. This made it easy for the dog catcher. They'd open the front door and he'd jump in the front seat with them. After about the 5th time, the dog catcher would let Pre ride around with him for awhile and then bring him back and put back in the garage.

One day I was taking Pre to get the mail. I look up and he was gone in a split second. After a couple of days the family called after seeing our missing dog signs since Pre was not at the shelter. They said "we saw this cute dog around the corner" from the mailbox. My kids just open the door "he just jumped in and wouldn't get back out."

When your wife gets better, are you still up for a trip to Reno? Moses said he’d give you the good bed. I’m fine on the couch or the blowup mattress or on the floor. I think us three would have a good time. You aren’t like most APs; you can hang with people who think different than you..

The worst time to get free rooms is Street Vibrations week. Of course, if you like old cars, then stay with us. If it's not one of my work days, then Bosox and his wife can have the Master Bed/Bath. I will take the guest room. Moses and Bob can sleep on the recliners.

And as far as your posts, you really need to take Mose’s advice so I don’t have to read them six times to figure out what you’re saying.

Just keep trying Bosox. It will come to you. Sort of like the Moses column count or Johnny Nash song "I can see clearly now."

[Bob21]

Sorry also to hear about your wife's health also Bosox!

Bob21,

Your quote "At least you try to argue your point, and don’t do what most APs do when they are incapable of defending what they beleive....they go into name calling mode and want to censor people. By the way, that is the hallmark of liberalism. That’s why I can see there’s some hope for you. You like to engage people who have different beliefs than you, and you know what you believe."

This is a perfect description of what you do. If anyone questions any of your logic you never respond, you just call them names like Liberal. But you still wont explain why you have so many liberal views or answer why you are so passionate about defending casinos.

You are not an honest debater, you simply ignore criticisms and attack and insult. You are entertaining though I will give you that.

So I'll ask you again even though I know you will ignore this question too since you can never defend any postion you take. Why the obsession with defending casinos? Why not single mothers or animal shelters? Thats OK i know you dont have the balls to actually engage in a discussion, answer a question or defend any of your positions so dont bother answering. You are too much of a coward.

By the way for the record I love casinos! I also like the fact the casino's try to keep APs out. If they didnt protect thier games there is always the possibility that they wouldn't be able to stay in business or they would have to offer much tighter games and then there would be no place to make money. By trying to keep APs out they get rid of the weaker ones that are too stupid to be subtle and then there are more juicy plays for the stronger ones that can keep it on the down low.

I wish they would just legalize gambling across the country already. Yum Yum YUm!

Hey Bosox, this is what I love about you. I had to read your post 6 times and I still don’t know if you’re criticizing me or praising me. At least, I know you want me to defend single mothers and animal shelters.

Okay, I’m for them too. You’ve convinced me. These are forgotten groups. If anybody criticizes these two groups, I’m coming at them with two barrels blazing. That’s my new cause. Bobo is right, there are not enough people defending these groups. If anybody on this forum attacks them, you’ve got me to deal with.

And in the future, I will NEVER ignore your questions. I didn’t know I was doing that. You’re about the only AP that engages me anyway. The rest have shunned me because I’ve defended casinos for doing what they’re business model calls for.

By the way, name one liberal view I have. I agree there is no worst name to call someone than a liberal. That’s the lowest form of humanity. If I have a liberal view, please point it out to me, so I can extract it from my mind.

And it’s good to hear you love casinos and you like they try to keep APs out. We’re on the same page there.

As far as why I’m so passionate about defending casinos, I’ve always been for the little guy always getting attacked. Casinos are the little guy being attacked by everyone, liberals, conservatives, media and of course APs. This has never made any sense to me. They are just doing what they are supposed to do. I know of NO bad casino. I have NEVER visited a bad casino. I’m sure they are out there...I’ve just never known one. So why do I defend them? I will always defend anyone from false accusations. It’s my moral code.

When your wife gets better, are you still up for a trip to Reno? Moses said he’d give you the good bed. I’m fine on the couch or the blowup mattress or on the floor. I think us three would have a good time. You aren’t like most APs; you can hang with people who think different than you.

And as far as your posts, you really need to take Mose’s advice so I don’t have to read them six times to figure out what you’re saying.

You keep getting me and Bosox confused but thats OK. How do you figure Casinos are the little guys? Dont they have billions and huge lobbys? (Not sure if you really mean this or are being sarcastic so well done if its the latter)

You keep bashing liberals but if I have understood your positions correctly you dont like that APs take money that would go to taxes and the government otherwise? Is that your position? (Conservatives usually prefer money stays in the hands of the public as they are better at allocating money than the government at least in conservative point of view)

You also imply since APs contribute nothing to society it would be better for society if they got regular jobs. Is that your position? If it is there is nothing wrong with that opinon but it is not a traditonally conservative opinon as conservatives have no problem with profit for profits sake. Liberals are usually the ones that are concerned with social implications of how money is spent and allocated.

So Ive asked you these things several times and youve ignored each time. Would love to have a serious discussiom if thats what you are here for. We shall see if you want to have an honest discussin or are just clowning around.

Okay DGenBen, thank you for some intelligent questions, and I’m sorry I got you mixed with Bosox. It was probably because of your posting style...it was like Bosox, which is very confusing. And I was watching a movie at home while I was posting, so I didn’t pay too much attention.

First, I’ll say all your questions are very complicated, and can’t be answered in a forum like this, at least not without making a post with a couple hundred pages, which I’m sure nobody is up for. I’d love to engage you sometime in person on these shjects. You seem genuinely interested in this stuff. Maybe you can take Bosox spot on our trip to Reno to visit Moses. That is if Bosox willing to give up his spot.

As far as conservative vs liberal view on casinos, to be honest with you, I think both sides are wrong and misunderstand the situation. Being on these forums, especially on BJA, helped me understand casinos better from both sides.

Casinos are attacked by both sides, liberals and conservatives. My view is both are wrong. It’s not the casino’s fault for doing what their business model calls for, which is basically providing negative EV games for the purpose of entertainment. And it makes sense to me that as a business, casinos would only want customers playing their games in a negative EV way. This means they would bar APs. I get it. I’ve been backed off and 86’d several times. And I’ve never liked it, but it makes sense why they do this, and they are within their rights to bar us.

My only point about APs is they are providing no value to society, as far as how they make money. I get what they are doing is legal. I can’t think of another job where someone can make money without providing any value to society. Again, this doesn’t make APing wrong or bad. I’ve never said that. People keep misconstruing what I've said.

I agree money is best left in the hands of individuals, but all conservatives still believe government needs money to operate. This is what our founding fathers struggled with, how do you form a government with limited powers and still have it powerful enough to defend you. It’s a difficult tightrope to walk. As govenrments get more power, they like to grow and take on responsibilities beyond what most conservatives believe they should be doing. For example, I don’t beleive in social security. It shouldn’t be government’s role to force us to save for retirement. But that discussion is for another day...or when we visit Moses.

As far as taking money from the govenrment, a conservative believes we should obey laws and give to Ceasor what is his. If everybody made up their own rules, we’d have anarchy. Since our government has approved casinos and lotteries, which are basically our government’s voluntary tax program, we should respect them. I’m not saying you should go there and lose money to support them, but a true conservative would not try to undermine them by being an AP. They would try to get them shut down.

Again, if you look at casinos as govenrments’s voluntary tax program run by private business (casinos) then in theory a conservative would not think you should try to extract money from them as an AP. Like I said, casinos aren’t well understood from either side because they are not like typical business. Like it or not, their main purpose is to raise revenue for governments. A byproduct is some casino people get wealthy. But no government would approve casinos for this purpose, meaning for the casino’s interest. That’s been my point all along.

As far as the csisno being “the little guy”, I actually mean that, but more as a figure of speech. Let me explain. Yes, casinos are wealthy. As I’ve pointed out, they make money money then all professional sports and movies combined. The revenue and tax revenue they generate is huge. But they are also constantly under attack by all sides so in that way they are the “little guy”. Every movie made about them, the casino is the bad guy. Have you seen 21? Even our government hypocritically paints them as bad guys, even though our government uses them to generate revenue.

Even though these are my views on casinos, I’m not saying I’m a 100% consistent. I’m an AP and like to take money from casinos. I think what makes me different from other APs is I don’t think I’m doing anything that has any value. I understand I’m basically “the bad guy” only looking out for myself, while the casino is “the good guy”, so to speak, trying to support the government and providing entertainment to boot. You get to have fun while you lose your money. Lol.

This has got way too long, and I’m sure most people are lost and don’t care. If you are truelly interested in engaging in this debate (and not try to find some “gotcha” small inconsistency in my post) then I’ll shoot straight with you. I do give lectures on college campuses on a fairly controversial topic (nothing to do with gambling or casinos) and regularly get called names by students and faculty so it doesn’t bother me.

I know what I believe. Majority opinion doesn’t mean much to me. I always use this example when I speak to college students. If a million people believe 2 + 2 is 5, and one person believes 2 + 2 is 4 who is right? This helps them understand majority opinion doesn’t mean they are right. Anyway, thanks for asking some thought provoking questions.

I hope Alan didn’t read this since I know he wanted this thread shut down a long time ago.

[DGenBen]

Thank you Bob,

That was a rational, intelligent, well thought out response without any insults and it made sense

it appears we may have actually succeeded in taking this thread out of the gutter and had a normal discussion.

I am satisfied and if it pleases Alan maybe we can finish this thread. Have a nice evening.

[BoSox]

Thank you Bob,

That was a rational, intelligent, well thought out response without any insults and it made sense

it appears we may have actually succeeded in taking this thread out of the gutter and had a normal discussion.

I am satisfied and if it pleases Alan maybe we can finish this thread. Have a nice evening.

DGenBen, now that was a really good AP move on your part. Trying to convince Bob that you are satisfied and we are all now suddenly having a normal discussion, for the sole purpose of trying to end this never ending thread that Bob would would rather not do. Very good I like that move and I will play along.


Bob, it is so good that everyone now understands each other, we have come so far. You cannot help it that you want to troll all the time and try to ruin good forums. Anymore than AP's try to win every possible dollar out of voluntary government tax programs. LOL, of course I am messing with you Bob. We could have a 1000 more post on the same subject and we still would not have reached square one.

[tableplay]

Actually I thought most people figured out this time that you were just trolling. I was a bit disappointed because I really kind of respected your trolling work in the AP Keno IL thread. I thought it showed a lot of potential and you were very talented at seeming sincere and sucking people in deep before you whacked them. This thread it seemed like you got lazy. You made it too obvious you were just trolling and you didn’t work hard enough at pretending to be sincere or picking good relevant points to fight on. You also would whack people right away before sucking them in deep. I think you got overconfident.

The good news is though I can see you do have the raw talent and drive to be a very successful troll if you keep working on it you will only get better. Keep practicing and try again. If you burned too many people this time because you were too obvious and they won’t engage with you anymore you can always go practice trolling somewhere else and then come back under a different handle to try again. I think you just had an off week is all.

Bob21's tactic of asking an ambiguous question is a classic troll move. For example, when he asks "why do casinos operate ?", the most common interpretation of the question being asked (and the way I interpreted and answered the question) is "what is the motivation and goal for casino owners opening a casino ?". Bob21 could have instead asked the question "Why do governments give approval to casinos too operate?" - the question he chooses to answer himself, but, since he is a troll, he didn't. The massive and unrelenting deflection (via moving target statements/questions and Straw Men) of the original debunked statement that casinos' purpose is to generate revenue for the government will continue indefinitely even though Alan provided excellent closure.

[BoSox]

UCFX wrote:

"Speaking of single mothers (sort of). Moses became a grandpa today. His daughter and 8lb 10oz grandson are doing fine. However, the 6'8" 300lb father had passed out in the chair from all the stress. Lucky for him they were in a hospital."

That is very good news congratulations, Moses.

[Bob21]

Has anybody noticed that we’re now going on day 2 and neither Tableplay, DGenBen or Bosox can answer my very simple question:

Why do governments approve casinos?

They are good at the “gotcha” game, catching people on some minor inconsistency but when it comes to answering a very simple question, they scatter like cockroaches. Oh no, I didn’t say that did I? Sorry Bosox, I just called you and your two buddy forum detectives a cockroach. Lol

Hey tableplay, here is the question I asked you. It’s in post #73 and I worded it corrected. You misquoted me, which is normal for a liberal. I would never call you a troll (even though by your defintion you’re a troll) because that would be disrespectful to trolls. You’re lower than a troll...you’re a liberal.

I know you’re a little upset because you fluncked my test miserably. I gave you a softball and you wiffed. You thought govenrments approved casinos for the interest of casinos and to make their “fat cats” wealthy. Well now you know, it’s for the interest of the people and to raise revenue for local and state governments. A byproduct is some casino people get wealthy. I hope you’re able to comprehend this.

You’re welcome.

[tableplay]

You thought govenrments approved casinos for the interest of casinos and to make their “fat cats” wealthy.
You’re welcome.

Please quote the post where I wrote this Bob21.

[Bob21]

You thought govenrments approved casinos for the interest of casinos and to make their “fat cats” wealthy.
You’re welcome.

Please quote the post where I wrote this Bob21.

Hey tableplay, I knew taking your answer to it’s logical conclusion would set you off. I learned this technique from Rush Limbaugh. Liberals have no sense of humor. I did not misrepresent your answer.

Here’s your answer word for word to my question: “casino’s operate in the first place to make their owners wish to make a lot of money.” You’re basically saying casinos operate primarily to make “fat cat” casinos owners wealthy. Again, my comment did not misrepresent what you said.

Go back and read my reply to you. I corrected you, letting you know the first reason casinos operate is because the government allows them to operate. And then I took it back a step further and said the reason governments allow them to operate is to raise revenue for state and local governments. This is something most APs have a hard time understanding.

Again, you flunked my test. I’m right, you’re wrong. Governments don’t approve casinos for the interest of casinos. It’s that simple!

[Bob21]

UCFX wrote:

"Speaking of single mothers (sort of). Moses became a grandpa today. His daughter and 8lb 10oz grandson are doing fine. However, the 6'8" 300lb father had passed out in the chair from all the stress. Lucky for him they were in a hospital."

That is very good news congratulations, Moses.

I agree with Bosox on this one. Congratulations Moses!

By they way, at 6’ 8” why did you only play NAIA basketball? Did you get any Division 1 or 11 scholosrshios coming out of high school? I take it your playing weight in college wasn’t 300 lbs, otherwise you’d have been playing football.