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  1. #61
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Since I have lost all desire to participate here, please add me to the self exclusion list as well. And let's just see if I am protected as well?

    If the likes of Blackhole are not allowed to mention and attack me, that would essentially end his participation as well, since he mentions me in some hateful manner in every single post.
    HOW MUCH TIME LEFT DO I HAVE????

  2. #62
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    "Singer" isn't saying that "vulgarity, name calling, and desperate false claims" are bad in and of themselves. He's saying that when based on "purposeful, incomplete, feel-good assumptions" that they are a bad thing.
    I didn't read where he said that they are a bad thing, the word "bad" wasn't in the quote.

    Singer wrote that such responses are "A quick way to determine if a poster is a bit uneasy about what's currently going on".

    Singer may very well consider such responses, from certain members, to be a good thing.
    What "Singer" considers doesn't much matter. This is writing, not talking to oneself. "Singer" is not writing for "Singer." He's writing for an audience.

    While "Singer's" lines, written for Singer, might bear your interpretation (and I would say they do not), the lines are written for an audience that is not "Singer." That audience would most likely interpret "vulgarity yada" as "bad" mainly because that's the usual connotation, and also because the "it" discussed above is not at all clear. It could refer to any number of things. If when you try to figure out what "it" is, you come to the conclusion it's the entire previous sentence, then using "it" wasn't appropriate. Is "it" a thing or a process? He could have written "the analysis," "the analyzing process," or whatever he actually meant.

    It's actually striking that you, coach belly, read things from a "Singer'" perspective, rather than as a general reader. Your default is to take "Singer's" perspective and speculate about what he might have or probably meant. It's (see what I did here?) highly unusual.
    Last edited by redietz; 04-10-2019 at 05:36 PM.

  3. #63
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Your default is to take "Singer's" perspective and speculate about what he might have or probably meant. It's highly unusual.
    Yes when I read someone's writing, I try to understand what they meant.

    That's highly unusual?...LOL...on Mars maybe.

  4. #64
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Originally Posted by Keystone View Post
    Sure, If I`m wrong I`ll apologize to whomever was offended, which you seem to be almost as much as he is
    I'm not offended...I'm not sure that Singer is offended either.

    But is that the criteria for apologizing when wrong...whether or not someone is offended?
    Take your Q&A BS somewhere else....what do you want, a fuckin dozen roses?

  5. #65
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by Keystone View Post
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post

    A quick way to determine if a poster is a bit uneasy about what's currently going on is by how he responds. Vulgarity, name calling, and desperate false claims based on purposeful, incomplete, feel-good assumptions is all a part of it. You are rattled by Alan, and you can only cure your jitters by lashing out with twisted lies about me at this point. And you've never been much for words anyway.

    Not surprisingly, your mensa reading skills conveniently skipped over the word "combined"....which is not unexpected given how you failed on your facts about $55k vs. "$19k".

    I understand why you people who have been harassing Alan non-stop with lies and fabrications--which is the #1 reason all of you WoV idiots came over here--are a bit on the nervous side, which you should well be. But just how dense are you people at this point in the game? Dan obviously got the point, and it's crystal clear "axel" is showing off his high school education on this--although he's still so flustered by my win that he could easily step on the egg shells laid out for him at any moment. But yes, it doesn't take much to get the overall point here. Why keep showing how weak and dopey you all are?
    Get real....My reading skills are above average, and as I said they were your words...I can pull your quote up if you`re too lazy to look....and vulgarity,name calling,and desperate false claims?....you didn`t really just say that did you?....very weak retort coming from the guy(?) that stated Arci killed his wife, KewlJ`s partner died from AIDS and Mickey`s Mother is a toothless hobo don`t ya think?...GTFOH
    Yeah it's obvious about your reading....and writing skills.

    You can POST my quote if you feel up to it. And don't leave out the word "combined" this time....or how it was WE who contributed more than $100k yearly into OUR 401k's. Wise up, and knock it off with the quivering little twit act.

    What I said about arci has nothing to do with what you've said about Alan. Deflecting isn't gonna get you, boz, wimpy wittle axel, or that confused MaxPen out of the boiling water you all poured for yourselves by joining this forum SPECIFICALLY to harass and hurt Alan in his business. Lies and hate--only morons aren't able to see the damage they do to themselves.

    Your biggest mistake was continually pretending that "Alan's a broke gambling degenerate who stole money from his son" when anyone with half a brain knows none of that is true. You people just don't like anyone who has retirement accounts and who don't believe the bs you guys peddle.

    Alan had a WORK issue with his son, and it had nothing to do with not having money to pay him because of what you want to be "gambling losses". And guess who's side Jason will be on in court? It's a simple family issue, but because you guys hate Alan for irritating the hell out of you on WoV, you harass him by lying about gambling losses etc. Tell me genius: could you financially handle being married five times?

    Wise up, and man up. You idiots are gonna need it.
    Still waiting for the link to the post where I said anything about wood.

    You are claiming I SPECIFICALLY came here to harass and hurt Alan in his business. You really are a dumb fuck. I may have had an account here, but I was not even participating on this site until someone told me that YOU were talking about me and how you had me followed around casinos, blah blah blah. I came here to call you out on your bullshit lie. I don't even think I came back for a while even after that(I cant really say that for certain). I find it odd that you even know who I was since you claim not to read WOV. It's obvious that you do read that site daily and you found me interesting enough to claim you had me followed. I know that's a complete BS lie. Tell me the year and month you claim you had me followed and I bet I can 100% debunk your claim. for multiple reasons. Just to name a few reasons: If someone was following me and watching what I was playing, it wouldn't have been some penny ass shit like you were claiming. There is a very good chance I was not even in town at the time. There is a good chance I had other people playing stuff for me wouldn't have even been in the casinos.
    Last edited by AxelWolf; 04-11-2019 at 12:04 AM.

  6. #66
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Still waiting for the link to the post where I said anything about wood.

    You are claiming I SPECIFICALLY came here to harass and hurt Alan in his business. You really are a dumb fuck. I may have had an account here, but I was not even participating on this site until someone told me that YOU were talking about me and how you had me followed around casinos, blah blah blah. I came here to call you out on your bullshit lie. I don't even think I came back for a while even after that(I cant really say that for certain). I find it odd that you even know who I was since you claim not to read WOV. It's obvious that you do read that site daily and you found me interesting enough to claim you had me followed. I know that's a complete BS lie. Tell me the year and month you claim you had me followed and I bet I can 100% debunk your claim. for multiple reasons. Just to name a few reasons: If someone was following me and watching what I was playing, it wouldn't have been some penny ass shit like you were claiming. There is a very good chance I was not even in town at the time. There is a good chance I had other people playing stuff for me wouldn't have even been in the casinos.

    Are you really this full of yourself Axel?

    First the big disclaimer speech, now this post. How could you not realize that everyone here couldn’t give two shits about you and your self-proclaimed alleged forum AP bullshit.

    Now someone got your phone number and is harassing you. The only person from any forum that got your phone number is no doubt someone you fucked through the pm backdoor you skumbag hustlers join these forums for in the first place. Or, someone you fucked in person already. Remember at WOV a few years ago you accused me of having your number and harassing you when I was calling you and Wizard of Nothing out? This story is getting played out.

    No one here believes any of your bullshit. No one knows who you are. No one cares one way or the other what you say or claim, since not one ounce of anything you say or said could or has been confirmed. Yet, you want to post here like you’re some type of creditable celebrity.

    All of a sudden you take Rob’s comments both past and present as a vital threat. Your candle burnt out asshole. Take a fucking walk, both you and your me, me, me, me, attention seeking bullshit.

    You are one of the biggest bullshitting assholes on these sites.

  7. #67
    Never ceases to amaze that you have a bunch of dudes at retirement age running around talking like they’re Steven Segal in Above the Law....one of the reasons I love this site lolololololololol

  8. #68
    Originally Posted by Keystone View Post
    Never ceases to amaze that you have a bunch of dudes at retirement age running around talking like they’re Steven Segal in Above the Law....one of the reasons I love this site lolololololololol
    That’s one of the funniest posts I’ve read in a long time.

    Then you have Bobo, Forum Detective, trying to play “gotcha”, tableplay upset he can’t pass my class...and Kj every 3rd day threatening to leave the site (as if anybody cares). Where he’s going to go to do all his complainting? He’s already been banned from every site out there.

    And you have some good gambling and AP discussions here too.

    This has got to be the best gambling site out there.

  9. #69
    This site really has nothing to do with gambling anymore and hasn’t for quite some time due to troll infestation, that’s why I don’t bother talking about gambling here.

  10. #70
    Originally Posted by mcap View Post
    This site really has nothing to do with gambling anymore and hasn’t for quite some time due to troll infestation, that’s why I don’t bother talking about gambling here.
    I don’t agree with you. It’s not like the bar is set very high to become the best gambling site. Have you spent any time on any of the others?

    I haven’t seen a good post on advantage play on BJTF in a long time. That site has mostly become kicking Zee whenever he makes a post. They like to kick me too when I post over there. It doesn’t bother me since I’m used to it. Midwest Player will also let you know it snows a lot in the upper Midwest.

    What about WOV or blackjackinfo? I check those sites everyday and don’t see anything relevant when it comes to gambling. In fact, most the time those sites are dead.

    I’m even on a discord forum for advantage players and most the talk has nothing to do with gambling.

    So what I have learned on this site that has helped me be a better gambler/AP? I’ve picked up some tips on sport betting. It’s something I’m getting into more.

    I’ve learned some things about advantage blackjack from several people. I’ve learned some things about slots. I do play slots occasionally when I get free play.

    And probably most importantly, Bobo, Forum Detective, keeps us all updated on people’s handles on different sites. This is important stuff. He’s also helping me understand the AP’s code of conduct. I haven’t got the manual yet, but I’m learning from his example.

    And the trolling here is first class. Much better than the trolling I see on other sites.

    Overall, this is a great gambling site (especially compared to what’s out there)! I think you’d be hard pressed to show me a better one.
    Last edited by Bob21; 04-11-2019 at 09:03 AM.

  11. #71
    Originally Posted by blackhole View Post
    Are you really this full of yourself Axel?

    First the big disclaimer speech, now this post. How could you not realize that everyone here couldn’t give two shits about you and your self-proclaimed alleged forum AP bullshit.

    Now someone got your phone number and is harassing you. The only person from any forum that got your phone number is no doubt someone you fucked through the pm backdoor you skumbag hustlers join these forums for in the first place. Or, someone you fucked in person already. Remember at WOV a few years ago you accused me of having your number and harassing you when I was calling you and Wizard of Nothing out? This story is getting played out.

    No one here believes any of your bullshit. No one knows who you are. No one cares one way or the other what you say or claim, since not one ounce of anything you say or said could or has been confirmed. Yet, you want to post here like you’re some type of creditable celebrity.

    All of a sudden you take Rob’s comments both past and present as a vital threat. Your candle burnt out asshole. Take a fucking walk, both you and your me, me, me, me, attention seeking bullshit.

    You are one of the biggest bullshitting assholes on these sites.
    Stinkhole, no one here gives a rats ass what you have to say. You're a punk weasel retard little bitch. With one foot in the grave. You're just pissed because Robocchio won't rest his balls on your chin anymore with that 9 1/2 down your throat. Fuck off and die, bitch.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  12. #72
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by mcap View Post
    This site really has nothing to do with gambling anymore and hasn’t for quite some time due to troll infestation, that’s why I don’t bother talking about gambling here.
    I don’t agree with you. It’s not like the bar is set very high to become the best gambling site. Have you spent any time on any of the others?

    I haven’t seen a good post on advantage play on BJTF in a long time.
    This proves what an idiot you are. The real top notch forum for blackjack advantage play is a private forum, populated by numerous, successful, longterm players and Blackjack Hall of Fame members and the top players in the game today. This forum is private to protect from assholes and trolls like you. You will never get there and have access to the top players, discussion and networking opportunities, because you are a troll and an idiot. Go ahead, ask around....this private forum doesn't exit to someone like you.

    So you will be limited to these "open" forum that really aren't about anything but trolling and game playing by those on the outside, bitter that they are losing gamblers. All these forums that you mentioned are for real blackjack AP's is entertainment. A place to have some fun for those that enjoy that. But the real discussions, network opportunities occur in private, and you will never be part of it, troll. Nor will you ever be anything even approaching a real blackjack advantage player...just a troll wantabe. BUt you have access to the likes of other trolls, like the great homeless blackjack "god", playing $5 blackjack in Reno of all places.
    Last edited by kewlJ; 04-11-2019 at 09:50 AM. Reason: edited out names and identities

  13. #73
    And I am quite sure the same thing occurs with serious machine AP's. These forums that are open to the public and draw assholes like you are just a shell. If there is any value in these public forums it is the PM feature that allows the serious players to network. But the discussion in the forum itself is just entertainment.

  14. #74
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    Originally Posted by mcap View Post
    This site really has nothing to do with gambling anymore and hasn’t for quite some time due to troll infestation, that’s why I don’t bother talking about gambling here.
    I don’t agree with you. It’s not like the bar is set very high to become the best gambling site. Have you spent any time on any of the others?

    I haven’t seen a good post on advantage play on BJTF in a long time.
    This proves what an idiot you are. The real top notch forum for blackjack advantage play is a private forum, run by a 30 year member of Tommy Hyland's team and populated by numerous, successful, longterm players and Blackjack Hall of Fame members. This forum is private to protect from assholes and trolls like you. You will never get there and have access to the top players, discussion and networking opportunities, because you are a troll and an idiot.

    So you will be limited to these "open" forum that really aren't about anything but trolling and game playing by those on the outside, bitter that they are losing gamblers. All these forums that you mentioned are for real blackjack AP's is entertainment. A place to have some fun for those that enjoy that. But the real discussions, network opportunities occur in private, and you will never be part of it, troll. Nor will you ever be anything even approaching a real blackjack advantage player...just a troll wantabe.
    Good to hear from you kj...or should I call you spiderman? It’s hard for me to keep track of all your handles and sock puppets.

    As far as Tommy Hyland, have you ever listened to one of his podcasts? When he started counting cards, he did it with a friend so one would keep track of postive cards, while the other would kept track of negative cards and then they would compare their numbers after a round and do the math. I’m not kidding. Tommy thought counting was a two man job. It took him a while to figure out one person can keep a simple count like Hilo.

    He also said card counting is the most “noble” thing a person can do. I can think of a lot of jobs that are “noble”, but I definitely wouldn’t consider card counting one of them. I think Sanford Wong would agree with me on this one. Also, anybody that counts cards full time for 35 years has to have a screw loose. I’m sorry but you’d think he’d want to do something else, anything else, for a while during those 35 years. I’m guessing he’s your idol so I’m sorry if I popped your ballon.

    And don’t get me started on the Blackjack Hall of Fame. It’s in a casino that won’t allow advantage players. It’s basically a side show started by Max Rubin (used to be an advantage player but now runs a casino) to attract ploppies so he can take their money. Talk about some serious inconsistencies.

    And being called an idiot by someone like you doesn’t mean much to me. You’ve got to be semi-intelligent before I take an insult like yours seriously. From you, it’s a compliment. Usually stupid people call intelligent people idiots. So thank you for your compliment!

  15. #75
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post

    As far as Tommy Hyland, have you ever listened to one of his podcasts? When he started counting cards, he did it with a friend so one would keep track of postive cards, while the other would kept track of negative cards and then they would compare their numbers after a round and do the math. I’m not kidding. Tommy thought counting was a two man job. It took him a while to figure out one person can keep a simple count like Hilo.
    Yeah, I have listened to Tommy's podcasts and interviews. He can afford to do those since he is in the twilight of his career. A long successful career, managing and playing on one of the top, if not the top blackjack teams for 40 years! I had the good fortune to participate on a forum, my first forum back when such forum were really about gambling and advantage play and players wanting to help and learn from each other, before the trolls like you ruined public gambling and AP forums and drove them underground to private forums. So I learned a great deal from Tommy back in the day.

    I also have in the past 6 months reconnected with him and have private conversations and access to him any time I want. You implying that Mr. Hyland is stupid, because he and his college roommate used a simplistic team count approach when they were 21 years old and in college and knew almost nothing about card counting, again shows what an idiot and rather dishonest idiot you are. Tommy went on to have a 40+ year career as one of the top card counters ever. He hired and worked with the best, and as a result he has done pretty damn well for himself.

    You continue to prove what a fucking moron you are. TROLL!

  16. #76
    I myself am not a fan of the BJHoF. Never have been. And the fact that I was approached earlier this year about possible future membership, hasn't changed that. I respect the people and their achievements but don't need a clubhouse to pat each other on the back. I probably won't be approached again.

    As for your views on a AP career, nobody gives a fuck what you a casino industry guy thinks. If you weren't such a fucking idiot, you would have figured that out during your long running discussion. Nobody cares about you or what you think. You are the village idiot. A casino industry troll, who's only purpose is to be disruptive and destroy any forum that has any discussion of advantage play. So just fuck off asshole.

  17. #77
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post

    As far as Tommy Hyland, have you ever listened to one of his podcasts? When he started counting cards, he did it with a friend so one would keep track of postive cards, while the other would kept track of negative cards and then they would compare their numbers after a round and do the math. I’m not kidding. Tommy thought counting was a two man job. It took him a while to figure out one person can keep a simple count like Hilo.
    Yeah, I have listened to Tommy's podcasts and interviews. He can afford to do those since he is in the twilight of his career. A long successful career, managing and playing on one of the top, if not the top blackjack teams for 40 years! I had the good fortune to participate on a forum, my first forum back when such forum were really about gambling and advantage play and players wanting to help and learn from each other, before the trolls like you ruined public gambling and AP forums and drove them underground to private forums. So I learned a great deal from Tommy back in the day.

    I also have in the past 6 months reconnected with him and have private conversations and access to him any time I want. You implying that Mr. Hyland is stupid, because he and his college roommate used a simplistic team count approach when they were 21 years old and in college and knew almost nothing about card counting, again shows what an idiot and rather dishonest idiot you are. Tommy went on to have a 40+ year career as one of the top card counters ever. He hired and worked with the best, and as a result he has done pretty damn well for himself.

    You continue to prove what a fucking moron you are. TROLL!
    I must admit when I heard Tommy say that it surprised me. You’d think two 21 year olds in college could figure out cancellation of numbers in the hilo system before they went to a casino. It’s not that hard to intuitively know to do this after practicing for a little while.

    And I did think Tommy calling card counting one of the most “noble” things a person can do is pretty stupid. Casinos are here because we (with a self ruling government) want them here. It’s that simple! Casinos provide entertainment, jobs and tax revenue for state and local governments and yet Tommy Hyland thinks its “noble” to try and undermine them?

    What value did Tommy bring to society by extracting revenue from a casino? I’ll give you a hint. None. I get it’s legal. But do you really think it’s “noble”? Do you think it’s more “noble” than being a doctor, a teacher, a policeman, a fireman, etc? If you do, you think like your hero Tommy Hyland. I think about any job, even a janitor, is more “noble” than being a card counting....and yes, I am a card count on the side. But I don’t have any delusions that I’m doing something great for society when I’m card counting.

    I never saw you defend The Blackjack Hall of Fame. Why? You seemed to talk highly of it. Did you know the reason it’s in a casino (Borna) is to attract ONLY losing customers. If you play like the Blackjack Hall of Fame members, you’ll be kicked out. In fact, even the BJ Hall of Fame members aren’t allowed to play bj in Borna. Do you see any inconsistencies here kj? You’re the expert on this. Most people do.

    Why do you see being honest and having an opinion different than yours as being a “troll”? Oh, I get it, it’s in your AP code of conduct manual. Any opinion different than the great kj is a “toll”. No wonder you've been kicked off so many sites. Have you ever thought that maybe you’re the “troll” and the disruptive person?
    Last edited by Bob21; 04-11-2019 at 10:49 AM.

  18. #78
    Originally Posted by Bob21 View Post
    And I did think Tommy calling card counting one of the most “noble” things a person can do is pretty stupid. Casinos are here because we (with a self ruling government) want them here. It’s that simple! Casinos provide entertainment, jobs and tax revenue for state and local governments and yet Tommy Hyland thinks its “noble” to try and undermine them?

    What value did Tommy bring to society by extracting revenue from a casino? I’ll give you a hint. None. I get it’s legal. But do you really think it’s “noble”? Do you think it’s more “noble” than being a doctor, a teacher, a policeman, a fireman, etc? If you do, you think like your hero Tommy Hyland. I think about any job, even a janitor, is more “noble” than being a card counting....and yes, I am a card count on the side. But I don’t have any delusions that I’m doing something great for society when I’m card counting.
    Fuck off asshole! How many threads and forums are you going to ruin with this same shit, that nobody cares about.

    Let me tell you something about your "noble" professions. Few do any of the things you mentioned to be noble or a good contributing person. Let's be honest and cut to the chase...It is all about the money. That is why people do what they do and to that card counters and AP are exactly the same. It is about the money.

    You have a one track mind and no one cares about your bullshit agenda so just shut the fuck up troll. There is a reason I blocked you and I don't know why I though I should waste anymore time on a babbling fucking nut job. It won't happen again. Fuck off and die, asshole.

  19. #79
    Bob21, it's great that you feel your opinions have some value and should be shared with an audience. Not everyone agrees with that. Maybe starting a fan club would be a preferable way to go.

    Perhaps you could also occasionally check the price of the Ellis Island steak special and post it here every once in awhile, just to break the string of opinions, morality speculation, and "being honest." Some useful actionable information would be a real surprise, and since real information would not be an opinion with which others could disagree, you would not have to worry about being labeled a troll.

    P.S. If it would help cut down on opinion posts, I will be happy to volunteer to be president of your fan club. Put together a few of your favorite lines, "APs -- Not Noble," "I Know Why Casinos Exist -- Ask Me," or maybe, "Opinions Are Like Assholes -- Sniff Mine," and we'll get some stationery printed up. I will, however, need your real name. Fan clubs for pseudonyms make for problematic tax deductions.
    Last edited by redietz; 04-11-2019 at 11:18 AM.

  20. #80
    Mr. redeitz; I've found being a school teacher and an administrator of an alternative living facility to be very rewarding professions. It's not all about money. Forgive me sir. But I've witnessed hundreds of people during their final days. For them, it's NEVER about the money.

    KJ. What in the world are you so upset about? You're a homeowner. Make 6 figures a year playing a game. Would you listen to yourself? Clearly you lack debate skills. So what? IF this forum stuff upsets you so much, why do you keep coming back for more?

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